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Interesting stuff from May's conference in India today.

Faster immigration clearance for Indian businessmen.

A promise to further relax the visa process if India commits to helping remove overstayers.

Whole bunch of deals in various areas, including manufacturing, health services, and high-end electronics. 600 million pounds' worth of Masala Bonds will be listed in London.

Still no ground given on revising visa regulations for students. The number of Indian students in the UK has already fallen by half in recent years. This attitude suggests she's not going to be willing to reintroduce the post-study work visa either. Strikes me as counterproductive tbh.
She has to be in a somewhat difficult balancing act. Right now, the issue was a lot of cheap labour coming to the UK with no checks. This, to most people, will possibly extend to all migration, which we need to bed down the numbers on. The thing is, I personally wouldn't mind more Commonwealth migration, which obviously includes India. Indeed, a lot of people felt similar but is it widespread enough for people to understand? Nobody's quite sure. So the government will err on the side of caution there.

I think it's likely we'll review such things in time, but there isn't currently a political will to do this without wider explanation.

Should be noted though, the UK doesn't count student visas as migration, so why requirements aren't being relaxed is likely because of the fraudulent schools that were found in London and elsewhere were basically being used as a way to cheaply import people from the Indian subcontinent. Until the UK can deal with that issue more sensibly, there won't be any movement.


Also apparently Indian Mangos are on a list of demands for any future Indian trade deal.

I'm ok with this. Mango juice is fricken delicious.
 
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Should be noted though, the UK doesn't count student visas as migration, so why requirements aren't being relaxed is likely because of the fraudulent schools that were found in London and elsewhere were basically being used as a way to cheaply import people from the Indian subcontinent. Until the UK can deal with that issue more sensibly, there won't be any movement.
The number of student visas issued to Chinese students has grown in the same period, though (I believe it's something like 5:1 now? ) What is the difference there? Are Chinese students less likely to go to these fraudulent schools? Do fewer of them try to overstay?
 

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The number of student visas issued to Chinese students has grown in the same period, though (I believe it's something like 5:1 now? ) What is the difference there? Are Chinese students less likely to go to these fraudulent schools? Do fewer of them try to overstay?
Chinese students return home. Harsh but that is the difference.
 

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Nah that makes sense. I struggle to name anyone in my peer group who doesn't have extended relations in the UK.
I once worked in a theme park where a regular (Indian) guest had his extended family turn up for a visit near Diwali.

No word of a lie there was like, 60 of them because it was all the family from his Mamajee, to Granmajee, to his Chachii, Chacha on and on and on. Great family, very friendly and about half of them lived here in the UK.

I also once met a cabbie in Philadelphia who had family about 20 minutes from where I lived in the UK. Indian family units man... they're awe-inspiring.
 

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Tomorrow's Question Time is one not to be missed; BBC believed the polls were in Clinton's Favour. Tomorrow's Panellists include:

Nigel Farage
Katie Hopkins
Diane Abbot(tomus)

Someone booked them on thinking they could give Nige and Katie a drubbing for supporting such a horrible, horrible candidate only for him to wind up winning the fucking election. :story:
 

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Tomorrow's Question Time is one not to be missed; BBC believed the polls were in Clinton's Favour. Tomorrow's Panellists include:

Nigel Farage
Katie Hopkins
Diane Abbot(tomus)

Someone booked them on thinking they could give Nige and Katie a drubbing for supporting such a horrible, horrible candidate only for him to wind up winning the fucking election. :story:
Brexit and Trump will lead to SERIOUS rage from the people in the gallery. Awesome.
 

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I hope someone can rehost those segments on Youtube. BBC always blocks me from watching videos on their site because wrong country.
 

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Tomorrow's Question Time is one not to be missed; BBC believed the polls were in Clinton's Favour. Tomorrow's Panellists include:

Nigel Farage
Katie Hopkins
Diane Abbot(tomus)

Someone booked them on thinking they could give Nige and Katie a drubbing for supporting such a horrible, horrible candidate only for him to wind up winning the fucking election. :story:
I can't find it?
 

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Some MPs 'ready to vote against triggering Brexit'

Liberal Democrat, Labour and SDLP MPs have told the BBC they are prepared to vote against triggering Article 50.

Lib Dem leader Tim Farron said his party would oppose it, unless they were promised a second referendum on the UK's Brexit deal with EU leaders.

Several Labour MPs are also willing to vote against it, despite the Labour Party pledging not to do so.

The government says it will stick to its timetable and begin the process of leaving the EU by the end of March.

With the support of Conservative MPs and the support or abstention of most Labour MPs, the bill is well placed to pass through the Commons.

But the opposition of some MPs is likely to embolden critics in the House of Lords.

'Red line'
The Liberal Democrats have long called for a referendum on the outcome of the government's negotiations with EU, but only now have they said they will definitely vote against Article 50 if their demand is not met.

Mr Farron, whose party has eight MPs in the Commons, told BBC Radio 4's Today: "Article 50 would proceed but only if there is a referendum on the terms of the deal and if the British people are not respected then, yes, that is a red line and we would vote against the government."

For Labour, shadow minister Catherine West, former leadership contender Owen Smith and south London MP Helen Hayes all made clear they were prepared to vote against Article 50 - which begins formal exit negotiations with the EU - if amendments were not accepted.

Former Labour minister David Lammy and shadow transport minister Daniel Zeichner have said they would oppose Article 50. Opposition whip Thangam Debbonaire said she would also vote against it, if a vote were held imminently.

The SNP's 54 MPs may join them. First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has said they will not vote for anything that undermines the will of the Scottish people, and has previously said they will vote against a bill to write EU provisions into British law to prepare for Brexit.

'Genuine distress'
Dulwich Labour MP Hayes said she was prepared to defy Labour whips to oppose the measure unless the government promised a second referendum.

She said: "I had somebody in my surgery last week who was in tears because of Brexit and I see genuine distress amongst my constituents about what this path means.

"I would not be representing them if I voted to trigger Article 50 on the basis of no information from the government about the path that they would then take us on."

In posts on Twitter and Facebook earlier this week, shadow Foreign Office minister Catherine West wrote: "As I have said before, I stand with the people of Hornsey & Wood Green, and I will vote against Brexit in Parliament."

'Unconditional' support
Owen Smith confirmed to Today that if his bid for a second referendum failed, he was likely to oppose the bill.

The SDLP's three MPs will also oppose the measure.

Last week the High Court ruled Parliament must be consulted about leaving the European Union.

Unless the Supreme Court overturns the judgement in December, a bill to invoke Article 50 is expected in the new year.

Labour made clear its official position would be not to frustrate the process of leaving the EU after a newspaper report said the party leader Jeremy Corbyn intended to force a general election unless ministers caved in to demands.

After the story broke Labour sources said that while it would seek to amend the bill, it would provide "unconditional" support.

Shadow Brexit secretary Keir Starmer said Labour would not frustrate the process and would not vote down Article 50.

However, Labour and Liberal Democrat peers will try to amend the bill in the House of Lords. So too will one Conservative peer - Baroness Wheatcroft.
 

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I forgot the Lib Dems even existed! Well, I'm not surprised all eight of them are going to oppose the bill - no doubt an attempt to appeal to the mostly-remain-voting millennials. Funny, you'd think these same young people who supported the Lib Dems would remember what happened back in 2010...
 
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I forgot the Lib Dems even existed! Well, I'm not surprised all eight of them are going to oppose the bill - no doubt an attempt to appeal to the mostly-remain-voting millennials. Funny, you'd think these same young people who supported the Lib Dems would remember what happened back in 2010...
People are far too willing to forgive these traitors for what they did during the coalition. I've seen people try and justify them by claiming that it was all the Conservatives fault, though that just seems like handwringing from whiny pussies trying to justify their love for a party that blatantly turned on them.
 
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