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Ponderous Pillock

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Yeah, the labour party is pretty firmly entrenched in the 'shit oneself and do nothing' phase of their political cycle at the moment. This is probably the best we can expect of them for a while.
Actually it's in the "if it doesn't sort itself out, it will die" phase. Nearly all of its members are Momentumite swivel-eyes of the SJW and London Metro crowd, making them worse than fucking useless when it comes to actual issues to be fixed. It has legions of members now but basically no donors of any note to help keep the party functioning if a general election came.

The vast majority of its non-London MPs are so out of step with their voters now over important issues a single non-tory party could mop the floor with them like the SNP did in Scotland.

Heck, the party even attacked the government over saving thousands of jobs and creating more in Sunderland because the UK govt will either negotiate tariff free access for car makers, or pay to negate the tariffs imposed.

We're looking at the death of Labour and there's nobody obvious to save it when their last attempt was a whiny Welsh nerd people barely remember the fucking name of but who was a massive narcissistic twat.
 
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Here's an interesting idea that's currently being proposed in the EU:

Although who this would be useful to would depend on how much the annual fee was.
It'll be aimed and yuppies and be an obscene amount. To be honest the EU is reliant a lot on "the 48%" when in reality it's just some twattish London metrosexuals and moronic uni kids. They had some protest at Richmond, declared there was "an excellent turnout" and other photos came in showing 20 or so people there.

Most remain folks I've met would either now vote Leave because the sky didn't fucking fall in, or accept they lost the vote, but then, I live in an area not filled with idiots who've never been told no before in their life.
 

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That's been simmering for a while.

Also another raft of polling came out. Tories enjoy a massive lead on all the important issues. Cobyn's polls are in the dolldrums.
These are also the first polls that finally take into account shy tories and they've started calling people in the evening to ask who they'd vote for.

Mostly because the pollsters found that Labour voters tended to be at home during the day, while Tories were out busy earning money to keep the Labour voters in homes.

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We're looking at the death of Labour and there's nobody obvious to save it when their last attempt was a whiny Welsh nerd people barely remember the fucking name of but who was a massive narcissistic twat.
I dunno, it seems like Labour actually have something of a habit of coming close to death and rebounding. They nearly got wiped out at the start of the 1930s by their spectacularly shitty handling of the Great Depression, but managed to hang on because this coincided with over half of the old Liberal party jumping ship to join the Tories. Then they nearly committed suicide with their insane policies in the early 1980s, but the SDP got fucked over by the electoral system and Labour managed to elect a halfway competent leader in time to save their skins.

Unless the Lib-Dems and/or UKIP seriously get their shit together in the near future, I can see Labour hanging on and eventually recovering just due to the lack of any viable replacement. Though frankly, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the UK spends the next few decades oscillating between majority Tory and coalition/minority Tory governments.
 

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Then they nearly committed suicide with their insane policies in the early 1980s, but the SDP got fucked over by the electoral system and Labour managed to elect a halfway competent leader in time to save their skins.
That took labour 18 years.

Corbyn came in on the foot platform and has all the same policy issues, plus support for mass migration and some extremely poor choices of past friends. Foot had also served in a previous government.

It is sad to be honest, the nutters leading momentum, who are largely the same clique left over from millitant, are driving the labour party into irrelevence in the face of what should be a weak tory gov and a collapsed liberal vote. I dont think we can expect a lab government untill 2025 at the earliest, 2030 if the tories pull off a decent brexit.
 
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I dont think we can expect a lab government untill 2025 at the earliest, 2030 if the tories pull of a decent brexit.
It's quite sad really. While I'm no Tory, I'm more than willing to give them a chance to govern. But without a strong, non exceptional opposition, they have a tendency to do something exceptionally stupid because they think they can get away with it.
 

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It is sad to be honest, the nutters leading momentum, who are largely the same clique left over from millitant are driving the labour party into irrelevence in the face of what should be a weak tory gov and a collapsed liberal vote. I dont think we can expect a lab government untill 2025 at the earliest, 2030 if the tories pull of a decent brexit.
How shit do you have to be at politics to be losing so badly to this tory party?
 

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Racism is bad except against the jews because reeeeeeeee
Well, obviously Palestinians are the sorts of people that will support the progressive agenda, duh!

At least until they gain power OVER the Israelis, at which point they'll kill them all and all the left wingers will go "Why aren't the government doing something about the Palestinians killing all the Jews. You damned Tories!"
 
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On a lighter note.

Our Nige continues to troll the shit out of the entire political establishment.

Read in a couple of columns that making Farage a diplomat would be idiotic...

Knighting him and making him a Special Envoy however.....
 

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Paul Nuttall confirmed as the new UKIP leader. Make or break time for the party now; either they'll smash Labour into oblivion at the next election, or they'll get screwed by the electoral system again and probably collapse.

Granted, that does rely on them actually making it to the next election, given that their finances apparently aren't in great shape, though Nuttall's election might bring some of their donors back into the fold.
 

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Paul Nuttall confirmed as the new UKIP leader. Make or break time for the party now; either they'll smash Labour into oblivion at the next election, or they'll get screwed by the electoral system again and probably collapse.

Granted, that does rely on them actually making it to the next election, given that their finances apparently aren't in great shape, though Nuttall's election might bring some of their donors back into the fold.
It's becoming obvious we need a new party in the system, Labour's a shambling corpse, the Lib Dems are all but wiped out and desperately chasing "people who voted Remain" (which has seen them gain exactly 0% in the polls) and the Tories are sort of trundling along doing what they always do (endure, adapt, rule).

The main reason Aaron Banks cut the purse strings was because Nuttal or Wolf didn't get on the ballot last time around and the NEC badly needed reform. The Nuttal faction are basically Faragists, which is actually Farage and Banks rather than

Nuttal's smart, they will actually now focus their limited resources on the 44 seats they need to win to start killing Labour off instead of trying to challenge every last seat like they have been doing up to this point.

We face the distinct possibility of seeing seats turn Purple in the North that have been Labour since the 1910s somce 2020.
 
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