Ukraine to become NATO member -

mindlessobserver

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More importantly the American Right, the traditional base of support for American military efforts has gotten "woke" to the professional classes foreign policy adventures. There is zero support in America for a war with Russia over Ukraine. If these Harvard and Yale grads want to fight that war they will have to grab a rifle and do it themselves.
 

Samson Pumpkin Jr.

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More importantly the American Right, the traditional base of support for American military efforts has gotten "woke" to the professional classes foreign policy adventures. There is zero support in America for a war with Russia over Ukraine. If these Harvard and Yale grads want to fight that war they will have to grab a rifle and do it themselves.
there is support if the government manufactures it. there is always a class of idiots who want to follow state lies in all societies. good thing the Russian military can kick America's ass.
 

Menotaur

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This is where the critical nature of the EU comes in to play. Here we have the Ukraine being told they possibly will be part of NATO which potentially sets off a series of Events as I can not see Putin standing by - it is an extremely provocative move it it happens. Very pointed.

However, the EU will come into play here. For years they have tried to form an EU Army and have been thwarted by the UK constantly in the voting - essentially the UK is the USA lap dog ensuring reliance on NATO members from EU.

The EU without the UK will very likely form an EU army, and invitations will be sent to many countries including the Ukraine. They offer not only the benefit of EU Membership and the ECB, but also soon - protection. Until now you could never join the EU and not in some way be obligated to the USA through NATO, and with this unreasonable condition removed, it will become an attractive move for many countries seeking economic benefit as well as military might. Russia could and would accept an EU army as a preference to NATO as it means his energy supplies to the EU are assured and they can play more statesmanship with regards to dividing up Eastern Europe. Having EU members as part of NATO is always a thorny issue for Putin, but an EU Army is more tolerable with US interests abandoned, it would likely lead to more peace although the Middle East could become a hotbed with a new alignment of NATO.

If the Ukraine were to be accepted into NATO, there is real potential there for the first serious proxy war of the USA versus Russia in the proxy of Eastern Central Ukraine.

Fascinating. A very aggressive, very pointed threat to Russia.
 

mindlessobserver

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They get smacked down harder than a crack whore that tries stealing from their pimp.
No they won't. Smacking them down would require America to have to ability and popular will to do it. Neither exists. It would take 6 months to a year to muster the necessary forces to "do something about it", and in the interim the political backlash within America would be enormous. Our leadership class has subjected us to two decades of unending war. They can't just snap there fingers and tell the American people that now, after all that wasted blood and treasure its time for a great power war over a country a majority of our population can't locate on a map. It's not going to happen.
 

HymanHive

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This is where the critical nature of the EU comes in to play. Here we have the Ukraine being told they possibly will be part of NATO which potentially sets off a series of Events as I can not see Putin standing by - it is an extremely provocative move it it happens. Very pointed.

However, the EU will come into play here. For years they have tried to form an EU Army and have been thwarted by the UK constantly in the voting - essentially the UK is the USA lap dog ensuring reliance on NATO members from EU.

The EU without the UK will very likely form an EU army, and invitations will be sent to many countries including the Ukraine. They offer not only the benefit of EU Membership and the ECB, but also soon - protection. Until now you could never join the EU and not in some way be obligated to the USA through NATO, and with this unreasonable condition removed, it will become an attractive move for many countries seeking economic benefit as well as military might. Russia could and would accept an EU army as a preference to NATO as it means his energy supplies to the EU are assured and they can play more statesmanship with regards to dividing up Eastern Europe. Having EU members as part of NATO is always a thorny issue for Putin, but an EU Army is more tolerable with US interests abandoned, it would likely lead to more peace although the Middle East could become a hotbed with a new alignment of NATO.

If the Ukraine were to be accepted into NATO, there is real potential there for the first serious proxy war of the USA versus Russia in the proxy of Eastern Central Ukraine.

Fascinating. A very aggressive, very pointed threat to Russia.
There's a lot wrong in this post. A lot.
 

Techpriest

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They don't have too. They just have to beat Ukraine in 6 months and dare the west to do something about it.
They have to beat Ukraine, the Baltics, Poland, and Finland (probably), while their main source of cash suddenly disappears and critical industries get yeeted by precision bombing from planes they cannot intercept or detect effectively. You could cripple the entire Russian state in less than three months.

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Oh yeah, also their entire sea based export network goes away once the Danish Belts get shut down and there’s no way the Turks are letting them through the Bosporus. Shutting off the oil pipelines to Europe means the Russian state loses a huge chunk of its income on top of all of that. It’s basically game over if the oligarchs there can’t make money.
 
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Samson Pumpkin Jr.

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They have to beat Ukraine, the Baltics, Poland, and Finland (probably), while their main source of cash suddenly disappears and critical industries get yeeted by precision bombing from planes they cannot intercept or detect effectively. You could cripple the entire Russian state in less than three months.
>planes they can't detect
you mean like the f35 lmfao
 

Techpriest

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>planes they can't detect
you mean like the f35 lmfao
B-2. The F-35 will rip through the current Russian air defenses as well. Combine them with Growlers and you can say goodbye to the entire Kola Peninsula’s air defense network. And once that’s gone, you can have B-52’s shit out cruise missiles like candy well within range of the majority of Russia’s industry and military command centers.
 

Blamo

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B-2. The F-35 will rip through the current Russian air defenses as well. Combine them with Growlers and you can say goodbye to the entire Kola Peninsula’s air defense network. And once that’s gone, you can have B-52’s shit out cruise missiles like candy well within range of the majority of Russia’s industry and military command centers.
"europe" can get a ton of ballistic missiles, Russians and armies inspired by them usually have that conventional card on the table.

Nothing is going to happen. Nothing ever happens (:_(
I don't expect any kinetic action, but I am concerned about my country being surrounded by Nato.
 

Samson Pumpkin Jr.

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B-2. The F-35 will rip through the current Russian air defenses as well. Combine them with Growlers and you can say goodbye to the entire Kola Peninsula’s air defense network. And once that’s gone, you can have B-52’s shit out cruise missiles like candy well within range of the majority of Russia’s industry and military command centers.
this is all nonsense. do you think Russia has just been idle since the USSR? I don't know what you think is going to happen especially when bold predictions like these have been proven wrong time and time again. The Germans will take Paris in 1 month! how about never. Austria Hungary will destroy Serbia! not even close. We will starve Germany in a war of attrition! The Germans took Paris.

I don't need to look at Russia's equipment to know that you're full of shit
 

Techpriest

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this is all nonsense. do you think Russia has just been idle since the USSR? I don't know what you think is going to happen especially when bold predictions like these have been proven wrong time and time again. The Germans will take Paris in 1 month! how about never. Austria Hungary will destroy Serbia! not even close. We will starve Germany in a war of attrition! The Germans took Paris.

I don't need to look at Russia's equipment to know that you're full of shit
Russia’s defense industry imploded after the collapse of the USSR. They lost the T-80 factories and the T-90 is just an improved T-72 - same design flaws and the Armata is fucking vaporware. They have attempted modernization efforts, but it hasn’t been as wide spread as they’d like as they simply can’t afford it. On the naval side of things it’s even worse for the Russians, and in the air even worse than that. The Su-27 is a perfectly good fighter but it just can’t compete with the F-22 or F-35. The MiG-29 is also in a similar position. They have what, 20 of their new stealth plane that doesn’t even have fucking S-ducts meaning that radar signature wise they’ll light up like Christmas trees from the front.

The much vaunted air defense systems they’re relying on got yeeted by drones in Armenia and Libya, and dunked on by F-35’s in Syria.
 
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