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Ravenor

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The Beginning:

Phil has a long standing history of living on the edge of OPL's aloggers, The genesis for this is quite simple but often miss understood. Back in CWC's golden age Phil also came to attention of a few observant people on /cow/ and attempted to start a internet slap fight between two cows of note, sadly due to Bob going to the lumber yard in the sky this failed and Phil aka “Jack Thadius: was forgotten by Chris, but importantly not by Phil.

When Phil became aware that he was getting set up as Jack Thadius Phil took a deeper interest in Chris. When Phil looks at Chris he see's a awful lot of parallels between himself and OPL and this horrifies him on a deeply fundamental level, because he's always simply though of himself as better than that.

So where does it come from?


Phil has a number of sources for this hate and self loathing, but the main one is his Brother. Phil's brother is confined to a wheelchair and is also intellectually sub normal but to a far greater extent than Himself or Chris and him being better than his brother almost became a source of Pride to Phil over time, this developed into a attitude of “As long as I'm better than him I'm winning” and this attitude was at least partly reinforced by his Mother who would say to young Phil things along the lines of “You haven't got your brothers problems an you should feel lucky”

The next biggest reason is Schooling, I have less solid evidence to work with here but it's pieced together from various thing's I have been told by Phil and by one or two people I have managed to track down who knew him in that time period, and various things that have came out over the years.

Phil in his early year's education was always that “special kid” but not one of the nice one's you'd ask to play with you an your friends out of pity or try and make friends with, he's the kind you'd leave well alone because he was just far too odd, but he also wasn't special enough to get dedicated extra help in the class room at that time, so as long as he wasn't actively causing a problem for the rest of the class and did the bare minimum amount of work to not fail he was mostly left on his own.

And much like Chris, High School came as a bit of shock to him, He was also less enthused by the idea of having to do work he didn't like that he was also starting to regularly find going over his head more so than ever before, so in the end he gained the attention of the people responsible for assisting special needs students and this really pissed him off because in his mind it took him one step closer to being like his brother, and the result was to some extent he got placed in some form of special measures where he was either in a remedial class for some subjects or had a lighter workload (my source for this is partly Phil an some one who knew him at this time, but didn't have the misfortune to directly directly interact with him), but the social aspects what floored him. He was thrown into a world that he he was struggling in emotionally and intellectually this breaks normal people, He was more likely to get bullied some times physically and he just could deal with it, leading to some minor Chimpouts and being for the most part frustrated that he didn't quite fit and didn't quite understand why.

Chris for all his faults, graduated High School at the normal time, Phil didn't, Chris was mainstreamed and mostly left alone Phil wasn't this was a huge source of irritation to Phil that some one he views as beneath him did things he couldn't.

Also just as a footnote this was also around the time the dreded Group Home was first mentioned,in relationship to Phil's brother, and his Mum for various reasons didn't like that and either by choice or happenstance instilled this fear in her marginally more functional child, but his Mum's a subject for another thread.

So what does all this mean?


Well to be honest this part isn't quite so easy to define, you see Chris is Phil's personal yard stick for a whole host of reasons some outlined above, and Phil feel's he has something to prove by being better than Chris at any given moment, he need's to feel like he's not as bad as that guy, an frankly he's more than just a little jealous of Chris.

Other than big events like Chris getting a PS4, Phil isn't really aware of the reality of Chris's life and just how much it sucks all's he see's is some one he feel's is beneath him in ability doing better than him and that's all that matters to Phil, so OPL get's a PS4 phil needs to get a bigger life upgrade searches his memory an say's he got a orchiectomy in a rather idiotic game of one one-upmanship, just so he can feel superior to some beneath him, the main difference is while Chris talks a big game he's satisfied with a lower achievement, he begged for a PS4 didn't get it so got it himself even payed over the odd's to do so, he might have got it himself but owning that PS4 is what matters. Phil overestimates his own competence and thinks he can say what ever he likes and will be believed by the people he want's it to matter too.

He's also envious of OPL's other accomplishments, Chris even for all his faults is liked in a way Phil isn't and he also can't work out why because supposedly he's a better person than Chris, and to some extent OPL has been able to monetise his infamy in a way he hasn't been able to, and Chris to Phil looks happy with his lot (the reality is quite complex in a way Phil can't understand) and he hate's that, Chris is doing better than him and he views him less than himself and the fact that Chris barely / if at all recall's who he is really annoys him.

In conclusion:

Phil is playing a really stupid game of “Keeping up with the Jones's” with Chris and anyone he views as beneath him self, but Chris still manages to be better than him, this was born from heady mix of paranoia, self loathing, self doubt, lack of personal accomplishments and fear that's metastasised into a ugly addition to a already horrific baseline personality.

Edit: also I'd like to thank @MMX and @Smutley for reading this over before I posted it.
 
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Might also be something to do with Phil's home life not having been all that stable - he goes on about the whole nonexistent father rape for some reason and of course he punched his mother - whereas to him, on the surface Chris has had a relatively stable family setting (when really it was just dictator Barb and Chris being basically trained to never question her)
 

Xarpho

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Thaddeus, not Thadius.

At least according to the CWCki and other sources.

Anyway, good analysis, but I think it's other reasons too. I think ADF thinks Chris makes a better "woman" than him. While ADF tries some unconvincing crossdressing while swearing up and down he's a real Latina female, CWC actually goes for it, going full in drag. Despite Chris being fairly obvious and unattractive, he's miles ahead than ADF, and I think that bugs that HELL out of him.
 

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This is a fair analysis. The only real issue I have is that it assumes a lot about Phil's outlook towards Chris, but I'll admit that this is just personal analysis, so I apologize right away if this comes off as “Your theory conflicts with my theory.” I'm not trying to do that.

The thing is, Phil hasn't really shown any sort of ability to self-reflect beyond whatever his current goals are. He's shown time and time again that he's constantly forgets previous mistakes (or at least tries to deny them, it's hard to tell). I don't think he ever thinks back on his past unless something then is relevant now, like when one of his old chums comes over here to give us the details of his past life.

When the whole Thaddeus fiasco was happening, he made a video reply to Chris and then there was very little mention of Chris from Phil since then, until right around the time Phil discovered the Farms. Whenever Phil decided to start lurking here seems to coincide with his coincidental need to “one-up” Chris. So while I believe that, yes, he is trying to one-up Chris, he only started doing so when he started spending time here. I'm not sure if he's actually checking out the Chris subforum, or if he's only getting snippets whenever one of Chris' antics gets put up on the front page, but that's what it's looking like.

In the time between Phil's lurking and his initial video response to Chris, I sincerely doubt he ever thought of Chris, let alone compare their lives. Comparing Chris' early days and education history implies that Phil actually spent a little time perusing the CWCki, and that seems a little to much to ask for someone who's sole use of the internet seems to be Facebook/Tumblr sperging and maybe a little bit of barebones research into whatever this month's big lie is going to be (like the bottom surgery saga).

Don't get me wrong, I do like this writeup on Phil vs Chris, but it seemingly banks on Phil's ability to do some legwork regarding knowing more about Chris, and I don't see any evidence that Phil is willing or able to actually do that.
 

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I like this writeup. The only thing I'd add is that in addition to jealousy I think Phil uses CWC as a sort of (very pathetic) troll-shielding. I don't know if he really thinks we'll be fooled, but maybe to convince his Facebook friends of his worth when more of them are finding out what an ass he is.
 

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I just think it's hilarious Phil is completely obsessed with a fat autistic man child like Chris and being "better" than Chris, while he is not only worse than Chris, but Chris doesn't even know he exists.
 

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I dont think phil actually gives a shit about chris its just about attention.
Whenever Kiwi attention is focused on Chris and his latest bunch of antics (the sleepover, ps4, impulse vids) we usually get some minor phil drama (kiwis die in LA, Phil and the rucksack bomb, phil and the middleage man who just wont stop raping him).
Phil feeds on attention good or bad. Hes running low on facebook friends for asspats so he comes to us. All those "i hope phil gets raped in prison" comments justify (to him ) that hes under a legit threat from us. So he caps them and sends the to markle who kisses his booboos.
Phil cant get attention if our attention is elsewhere so he just throws shade at chris or when that fails outright insults us.
I think phil was trying to do similar with kengle but he was just to minor a cow to draw attention and to much of a pussy to fight phil. Phil knew @Thundersteam was a massive fan of his and would offer a quick and easy victory over a kiwi farm member. It ofcourse failed because kengle remained reasonable and polite through the exchange whilst phil looked like a racist ISIS fan and to be honest outside of the kengle regulars no one noticed or cared. These days when phil talks about how kengle is a major player in the farms its simply a lure to draw our attention and have us rip on wacky uncle kenny.

Its not that i dont agree with your theory @Ravenor and your research is as solid as ever but i honestly think phils prime reason for doing ANYTHING is to grab attention.
 
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I just think it's hilarious Phil is completely obsessed with a fat autistic man child like Chris and being "better" than Chris, while he is not only worse than Chris, but Chris doesn't even know he exists.
I love this part. Chris literally has no clue who Phil is (in any of his name forms). Sure, Chris was given a photo of ADF as Jack Thadius; but with Chris's inability to recognize any face he's ever seen, that's not much to go on for Phil.

Chris could physically meet Phil on the street and have literally no clue who he was; but Phil, of course, would fanboy out and then make a facebook status dramatizing the event into something it never was. Maybe he'd even claim Chris hit on him; who knows. Phil lives in a world of 1% reality and 99% fantasy.
 

Ravenor

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“Your theory conflicts with my theory.” I'm not trying to do that.

Oh no I would never take it like that, infact I like that, one of the reasons I write these things is to encourage discussion you might pick up on something I have missed that enhances our understanding of Phil and his motivations.

Its not that i dont agree with your theory @Ravenor and your research is as solid as ever but i honestly think phils prime reason for doing ANYTHING is to grab attention.

Oh that's a big motivation oh his in general now that I think about it one I need to cover in more detail at some point, but as I said he need's to feel he's winning so when Chris get's a win he needs to have a bigger better win just to feel like he's still ahead of the game.
 

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Theres a couple of points i think are worthy of consideration

Context within community
Phil is a dick bag to chris because phil assumes this site is about Chris. It once was but most people have other cows they follow. Whilst chris is for many of us the orginal hes by no means the best. But kiwis are associated with chris so phil shits on chris. Maybe if this site was created out of common dislike for Andy Dobson or Pixyteri then he would focus on them.

Phil fails at subtext
Like most people on the spectrum phil has trouble with subtext. He just about understands sarcasm but fails at reading deeper or double meanings. Phil takes as gospel click bait articles that are "true lies" as in true from a certain point of view only and believes all propaganda that appeals to his world view. Phil cant tell when were laughing at something or taking it serious. He wrongly assumes most of us financially support chris and are true and honest fans because we have "true and honest fan" titles.

A-logging
Really simple.
Its really frowned upon to a-log chris but its almost impossible to A-log phil.
It creates an almost double standard were people will make an effort to defend chris but everyone piles on phil. From Phils perspective this is favouritism and proof were fans of chris but ignores the fact that CWC is often manipulated into his actions and videos whilst phils choices are his own.

Phil aint got time for that
Phil doesnt read.
He reads headlines and skims a little then judges. Phil absorbs the information he thinks he needs and leaves the rest behind focusing on numbers and dates.
Phil judges chris by thread titles and doesnt really go into it. In his world one of us bought chris as PS4 because the thread title suggested it. But if he took the time to read the thread he would know thats not the case.
Even if phil did read the entire wiki he wouldnt believe it because Kiwis wrote it.
 
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ChurchOfGodBear

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I tend to agree that Phil mostly wants attention from the Farms, and uses Chris to get it. I'll also say that, while I've often joked that Phil must have a serious crush on Christine, I don't think the suggestion is entirely without truth. Phil sees Chris as a kind of celebrity or icon for the forums, and Phil has some kind of celebrity fixation... not unlike how he feels about Jennifer Lopez.

Also, it's good to start to quantify just how stupid Phil is. We always knew he wasn't going to be splitting the atom, but over the last few months, it's become more and more clear how many of his problems are rooted in not understanding basic concepts, compared to how little his problems are actually caused by gender issues or autism. This post, and other comments about how Phil can read our words but not really comprehend them, explain a lot.
 

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I tend to agree that Phil mostly wants attention from the Farms, and uses Chris to get it. I'll also say that, while I've often joked that Phil must have a serious crush on Christine, I don't think the suggestion is entirely without truth. Phil sees Chris as a kind of celebrity or icon for the forums, and Phil has some kind of celebrity fixation... not unlike how he feels about Jennifer Lopez.

Phils default emotional level is hate boner.
Okay hear me out.....

Phil doesnt comprehend adult relationships the way others do. His relationship witj Maria was abusive (by both parties) his relationship with Tweaker was basically taking advantage of a minor, Dusty, John and Kori all were people Phil both hated and lusted for in equal measure.
I believe the theory that phil has no real sexual identity yet he has a sex drive. He doesnt really know what he wants, how to get it or even what to do with it.
Imagine wanting to just fuck the shit out of something but hating the idea of fucking. Thats phil.
His default setting is hatred, disgust and a sense of superiority to the world and it colours his every interaction.
Chris and to a lesser degree Kengle should be kindred spirits to phil. Both are on the spectrum, both are odd balls, both targeted by us.
Phil should reach out to them and try and make allies but he just cant. Hes better than them, they disgust him, they interest him, they reflect him and it all becomes confusing.
 

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Phils default emotional level is hate boner.
Okay hear me out.....

Phil doesnt comprehend adult relationships the way others do. His relationship witj Maria was abusive (by both parties) his relationship with Tweaker was basically taking advantage of a minor, Dusty, John and Kori all were people Phil both hated and lusted for in equal measure.
I believe the theory that phil has no real sexual identity yet he has a sex drive. He doesnt really know what he wants, how to get it or even what to do with it.
Imagine wanting to just fuck the shit out of something but hating the idea of fucking. Thats phil.
His default setting is hatred, disgust and a sense of superiority to the world and it colours his every interaction.
Chris and to a lesser degree Kengle should be kindred spirits to phil. Both are on the spectrum, both are odd balls, both targeted by us.
Phil should reach out to them and try and make allies but he just cant. Hes better than them, they disgust him, they interest him, they reflect him and it all becomes confusing.
This makes TOTAL sense. TY.
 

MMX

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This makes TOTAL sense. TY.

I exaggerate a little for humour but i guess my point is theres a fine line between love and hate and sudden drop into obsession.
Its like a kid pulling on a girls pigtails to make them notice them, slut shaming a girl you wish was yours or a fuck buddy u cant stand.
Hate is powerful and will fuck you up, phil lacks any level of emotional and sexual maturity and so it fucks him up worse.
 

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It's easy to understand. People for the most part like Chris. People don't like Phil. Combine that with Phil's insistence that he's "not as bad as Chris" because he refuses to recognize his own autism and you've got a recipe for self-loathing and trollshielding.
 

ChurchOfGodBear

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I exaggerate a little for humour but i guess my point is theres a fine line between love and hate and sudden drop into obsession.
Its like a kid pulling on a girls pigtails to make them notice them, slut shaming a girl you wish was yours or a fuck buddy u cant stand.
Hate is powerful and will fuck you up, phil lacks any level of emotional and sexual maturity and so it fucks him up worse.
When people ask about Chris's sexual orientation, I've usually responded that I don't think he's mature enough to have one. Chris is bisexual, but only to the extent that he's equally incapable of forming a functional relationship with either a man or a woman. In that context, I could easily put Phil in the same boat. To me, the most damning evidence is that Phil freaked out anytime someone tried to touch his penis. That is not a normal reaction for a sexually mature male. It is, however, remarkably similar to the behavior you'd see in a 5-10 year old, who just discovered that touching themselves leads to weird feelings... they then avoid it because those sensations haven't yet been wired as "pleasurable" in their brain... just overwhelming stimuli.

It looks as if Phil, like Chris, has the biological drive to have sex, but none of the emotional maturity to bond with a potential partner. The fact that Chris (after 30 years) needed help in finding a hooker shows how little he understands human interaction. You'd think, after being a legal adult almost half his life, he could figure out on his own how to do what amounts to a simple business transaction (accepting for the moment that the possibility of normal sex between consenting adults is totally out of the question). Phil, it should be noted, not only doesn't want to touch his dick, but reacts very negatively to porn and only seems interested in sex acts that cause incredible discomfort. He likes bondage, but doesn't want to follow it with actual sensual contact. In short, Phil seems to like the appearance of sex, without actually having sex. He wants to be around sex because it makes him feel like an adult, but he doesn't derive from it the same physical pleasures you and I do.

If that's the case (I'd bet you a good lunch it is), Chris and Phil do have a very similar set of hang-ups.
 

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When people ask about Chris's sexual orientation, I've usually responded that I don't think he's mature enough to have one. Chris is bisexual, but only to the extent that he's equally incapable of forming a functional relationship with either a man or a woman. In that context, I could easily put Phil in the same boat. To me, the most damning evidence is that Phil freaked out anytime someone tried to touch his penis. That is not a normal reaction for a sexually mature male. It is, however, remarkably similar to the behavior you'd see in a 5-10 year old, who just discovered that touching themselves leads to weird feelings... they then avoid it because those sensations haven't yet been wired as "pleasurable" in their brain... just overwhelming stimuli.

It looks as if Phil, like Chris, has the biological drive to have sex, but none of the emotional maturity to bond with a potential partner. The fact that Chris (after 30 years) needed help in finding a hooker shows how little he understands human interaction. You'd think, after being a legal adult almost half his life, he could figure out on his own how to do what amounts to a simple business transaction (accepting for the moment that the possibility of normal sex between consenting adults is totally out of the question). Phil, it should be noted, not only doesn't want to touch his dick, but reacts very negatively to porn and only seems interested in sex acts that cause incredible discomfort. He likes bondage, but doesn't want to follow it with actual sensual contact. In short, Phil seems to like the appearance of sex, without actually having sex. He wants to be around sex because it makes him feel like an adult, but he doesn't derive from it the same physical pleasures you and I do.

If that's the case (I'd bet you a good lunch it is), Chris and Phil do have a very similar set of hang-ups.

Ive got to be honest but theres a really big difference between phil and chris

Chris will go down on a woman, phil wont. Let that sink in. Chris paid for sex but still offered to pleasure a hooker. Thats pretty sweet.
Phil has been in two relationships with biological women and wouldt go down.

Chris may hate that bent duck but no way would he refuse a blow job. Phil is on record as practically strapping his micro duck down so it cant get involved

So in short Chris actually cares about a mutually enjoyable sexual experience (because porn taught him the order of doing things) were as phil wants to be strapped down with a hot iron up his ass and fuck you if you expect to get anything out of him.
 
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ChurchOfGodBear

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Ive got to be honest but theres a really big difference between phil and chris

Chris will go down on a woman, phil wont. Let that sink in. Chris paid for sex but still offered to pleasure a hooker. Thats pretty sweet.
Phil has been in two relationships with biological women and wouldt go down.

Chris may hate that bent duck but no way would he refuse a blow job. Phil is on record as practically strapping his down down so it cant get involved

So in short Chris actually cares about a mutually enjoyable sexual experience (because porn taught him the order of doing things) were as phil wants to be strapped down with a hot iron up his ass and fuck you if you expect to get anything out of him.
I totally recognize the distinction you're making. I'm just saying they're way closer to each other than they are to any normally functioning adult.

And, oddly, their perversions seem to compliment each other well.
 
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