Unshakeable Beliefs and Personal Convictions that Cut Against the Cultural Zeitgeist -

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Odnovo

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A common characteristic among those who have developed a strong personal will and individuality is that they often harbor within them a set of personal beliefs or convictions that can run counter to what the current cultural norms would dictate to be appropriate or accurate, and yet the individual who holds them still feels as if they are appropriate or accurate despite knowing full well that most people believe otherwise, and they validate their beliefs and convictions not from the thoughts and feelings of others (not to mention the potential consequences from others if they find out about such beliefs and convictions), but from their own personal experiences and analysis.

Many here would argue that those who are "persons of interest" have such an attitude, but I am going to have to argue that those who typically are generally do not have much self-awareness, and would openly state such personal convictions and beliefs as if there was either nothing wrong with them, or that others also usually held them, only to find out the hard way that they do not, and thus suffer social isolation and humiliation from others. Those who otherwise lean more towards the "normal" side of humanity and yet still harbor such beliefs and convictions are fully aware that their personal beliefs and convictions could get them into deep shit with others, so as such they typically stay quiet about it until they potentially (or inevitably) have a nervous breakdown.

To see such a stark discongruency between what you personally believe, and what others believe, and to see pretty much all of society and reality go sideways as a result of that (for how reality and society is shaped is in the hands of the masses, or at least those in control of the masses, and you are completely without agency or power) leaves you feeling alone, and frustrated, and humiliated. You feel the burden of the world changing right before your eyes into something that it was never meant to be; something non-viable, a disgrace to God, wanting you to call upon the Angel of Death to bring about the destruction of this reality, this prison that is Satan's playground. And perhaps it is possible that it will change for the better, but not now, and you only feel like a helpless coward for that. A coward that is alone, perhaps entrapped, with their beliefs that cut off all connection and empathy from those who do not feel the same way, and who would willingly and gladly ruin your life for them either because they lack the emotional intelligence to see past their own perspective, or in order to manipulate a corrupt and backwards social zeitgeist for their own personal gain.

Perhaps it would be all of that person's fault if they were selfish. If they were simply burdened with their own complications due to the fact that they ultimately only cared about themselves. Or perhaps it would be another thing if what they believed was simply the result of a mental or emotional defect, and they were never able to see how they were wrong. But it is kind of hard to blame such a person when it is perfectly clear that these days, society is held up not by virtues or truth, but by vices and falsehoods, and it does not advocate constructive behavior and family values, but degeneracy and debauchery. When people genuinely believe that the random white man they see on the street is an oppressive douchebag who wants to rape someone and must not be given any chance of redemption or opportunity for advancement, and yet also believe that some Muslim who fought for ISIS and raped/enslaved/killed dozens or more of non-Muslims (and still likely does today) should be given priority to redeem themselves and to advance in life, even if they have no remorse (as they always do) become repeat offenders (as they typically do).

You wonder why this is. You wonder why does the current "narrative" enable such falsehoods, and why society is currently going nowhere fast. You wonder why so many people believe in things that are so wrong and erroneous, and how long this can all last. There are probably many "whys", but it doesn't change the fact that in the end, you are holding the bag, and the bag just gets heavier, and you have no place to go. Perhaps one day, you hope, it will get better. Perhaps reality and society will crumble from its own rot and neglect, and it will start to resemble what it was meant to be, albeit only by the slightest bit. It very well could, but right now, you simply don't see it. Whether that is because you are alone and as such your view is limited and myopic, who can say? It doesn't change the fact that you have no idea what is going to happen, or what you should do. The fact that you still hold onto your beliefs and convictions through such a time, for as long as you have, is a sign of strength, but you wonder when it will no longer be a burden, if it ever won't.
 

RMQualtrough

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People accept your eccentricities if you're good looking and alpha. I think with some people, like uh, say Jason Mamoa or some shit (?) said they liked My Little Pony, it'd be fine.

Like with most things in life, nothing REALLY matters other than being attractive.

Needing to be self aware and monitor yourself Third Reich tier is more vital as an ugly beta.

I'm sure there are some things that nobody could get away with though, like being a Klansman lolz... Apparently murder is more acceptable than that based on OJ Simpson's popularity compared to people outed as Neo Nazi tier?

Totally skim read btw.
 

TendieGremlin

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People accept your eccentricities if you're good looking and alpha. I think with some people, like uh, say Jason Mamoa or some shit (?) said they liked My Little Pony, it'd be fine.

Like with most things in life, nothing REALLY matters other than being attractive.

Needing to be self aware and monitor yourself Third Reich tier is more vital as an ugly beta.

I'm sure there are some things that nobody could get away with though, like being a Klansman lolz... Apparently murder is more acceptable than that based on OJ Simpson's popularity compared to people outed as Neo Nazi tier?

Totally skim read btw.
Congrats you've out-tarded the OP.
 

RMQualtrough

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Congrats you've out-tarded the OP.
I'm kinda good looking, I can get away with MUCH more than an ugly nerd and still be accepted.

Sometimes on forums when people can't see me and then do, that's especially noticeable 'cause they instantly treat me different.

No matter how much BS people chat about appearances meaning nothing, we just outright do treat or respect people differently based on the way they look.
 

Odnovo

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I guess that what I tried to write could be summarized as being the crushing burden brought on by an internal conflict that arises when your own subjective reality, which you have full faith in as being "the truth", runs almost entirely counter to what is held to be "objective reality" by most others, which you know to be false. This probably would be autistic, if it wasn't for the fact that we live in Clown World. To not take have this burden weighing heavily in your heart, probably makes you an NPC.
 

Shadfan666xxx000

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I'm kinda good looking, I can get away with MUCH more than an ugly nerd and still be accepted.

Sometimes on forums when people can't see me and then do, that's especially noticeable 'cause they instantly treat me different.

No matter how much BS people chat about appearances meaning nothing, we just outright do treat or respect people differently based on the way they look.
Even so, you can change a lot in your appearance and appear dignified if nothing else outside of extreme examples. Everyone can be a six.
 

TFT-A9

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I guess that what I tried to write could be summarized as being the crushing burden brought on by an internal conflict that arises when your own subjective reality, which you have full faith in as being "the truth", runs almost entirely counter to what is held to be "objective reality" by most others, which you know to be false. This probably would be autistic, if it wasn't for the fact that we live in Clown World. To not take have this burden weighing heavily in your heart, probably makes you an NPC.
The counterpoint to this is that there are usually at least small grains of truth at the core of every incorrect take on the world. I don't think I've ever seen anyone bat 1.000 on conclusions/predictions, but there are people doing their damnedest to lead people to very incorrect ones (usually predicated upon some fairly obvious truth, hence that core). As for the anguish of being "the only one who knows the truth" - when following damned lies is the zeitgeist that keeps you from becoming socially isolated and turned into a pariah, it shouldn't be surprising that a lot of people will opt for that even if they know somewhere in their minds that they're operating on a lie, and god help the "bearer of truth" if he's not 100 percent correct because he will get picked apart on every technicality and mistaken assumption, and he will be used as an example to others - "See what this gets you? Now toe the line or you're next."
 

ZeCommissar

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I'm kinda good looking, I can get away with MUCH more than an ugly nerd and still be accepted.

Sometimes on forums when people can't see me and then do, that's especially noticeable 'cause they instantly treat me different.

No matter how much BS people chat about appearances meaning nothing, we just outright do treat or respect people differently based on the way they look.
I'm not going to say you're wrong, because you're not, but attractiveness isn't the end all be all.

Think of how many people love ugly/plain looking actors. I'm sure Danny Devito would get a ton more love if he was a 6'5 attractive hulk, but he isn't and he's still loved by a lot of people on and off the internet.
 

Odnovo

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The counterpoint to this is that there are usually at least small grains of truth at the core of every incorrect take on the world. I don't think I've ever seen anyone bat 1.000 on conclusions/predictions, but there are people doing their damnedest to lead people to very incorrect ones (usually predicated upon some fairly obvious truth, hence that core). As for the anguish of being "the only one who knows the truth" - when following damned lies is the zeitgeist that keeps you from becoming socially isolated and turned into a pariah, it shouldn't be surprising that a lot of people will opt for that even if they know somewhere in their minds that they're operating on a lie, and god help the "bearer of truth" if he's not 100 percent correct because he will get picked apart on every technicality and mistaken assumption, and he will be used as an example to others - "See what this gets you? Now toe the line or you're next."
You are correct, I think. One thing to add to this is that such alienation/isolation usually leads you to self-doubt, even though the facts of the "truth" practically scream in your face, and as tempting as it is to try to convince yourself that you might be wrong, you can't, because you see the alternative and it is obvious that such denial would lead you to eventual ruin. Despite having the psychological strength to remain faithful to your beliefs despite the alienation/isolation, this leads to greater inner turmoil and conflict all the more, and as such you can eventually go down another path of ruin.
 

TFT-A9

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You are correct, I think. One thing to add to this is that such alienation/isolation usually leads you to self-doubt, even though the facts of the "truth" practically scream in your face, and as tempting as it is to try to convince yourself that you might be wrong, you can't, because you see the alternative and it is obvious that such denial would lead you to eventual ruin. Despite having the psychological strength to remain faithful to your beliefs despite the alienation/isolation, this leads to greater inner turmoil and conflict all the more, and as such you can eventually go down another path of ruin.
I will say that absolute confidence is the mark of a fool. Beyond that, some things are pretty easy to accept as correct prima facie (and the inverse).
 

RMQualtrough

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I'm not going to say you're wrong, because you're not, but attractiveness isn't the end all be all.

Think of how many people love ugly/plain looking actors. I'm sure Danny Devito would get a ton more love if he was a 6'5 attractive hulk, but he isn't and he's still loved by a lot of people on and off the internet.

Nah but like, Devito wouldn't be able to get away with as much. If he was quiet he might be seen as a school shooter, whereas a handsome cool looking guy might be seen as some Clint Eastwood type.

When I skimmed the OP I was just thinking like, people liking things counter to norms is only really a big deal and pointed out as "not self aware" etc when the guy looks and acts like Chris Chan... Whereas if a coolass handsome dude was interested in the same thing it might be seen as a quirk or eccentricity, but he'd still be respected.

I only think there are some things that are dealbreakers. And the rest is like, it's only mocked if the dude looks shit and autismal.
 

Rupert Bear

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People accept your eccentricities if you're good looking and alpha. I think with some people, like uh, say Jason Mamoa or some shit (?) said they liked My Little Pony, it'd be fine.

Like with most things in life, nothing REALLY matters other than being attractive.

Needing to be self aware and monitor yourself Third Reich tier is more vital as an ugly beta.

I'm sure there are some things that nobody could get away with though, like being a Klansman lolz... Apparently murder is more acceptable than that based on OJ Simpson's popularity compared to people outed as Neo Nazi tier.
This isn't incels.co, autist
 

RMQualtrough

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This isn't incels.co, autist

I'm fine, I'm attractive.

It's really obvious I have an advantage. If others who look "Reddit" act autismal they get treated badly and disrespected much more.

Stuff like in the OP applies only for them. It's obv double standards. There are only a few dealbreakers irl.

Blatantly ugly people will be mad but they know this already. They know they have a major disadvantage and need more "personality" to not be treated like a cuckold. Kids who look weak are more likely to be picked out as targets for bullying... So like when you imagine OP discussing people acting self aware, I think most of those things I can think of are only gonna actually cause people to lose respect if you look beta.

To me it reads like ugly people are expected to fall in line and bow down to society, 'cause I don't think good looking people lose respect from others for much. It has to be severe.
 
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