Feedback Unwritten Rule on Ignoring ED Associated Users -

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Glaive

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Hey, just wanted to throw down some thoughts here un-anonymously and point out some echoed responses to this subject matter. Doing this in Feedback rather than in Supporters or among staff because I feel like it's something we could all pitch in on.

I feel like some of the users who migrated here from the ED forums have been given the blind eye recently when it comes to moderation. Previously there was one who had been creating multiple sock accounts that I had been heavy-handed with rebanning and kept suppressed. Since then however, we had a bit of a standstill followed by Null messing around with them and eventually agreeing to help fix their mess of a forum. All good.

Given that he had taken an interest with this group personally, I went completely hands-off with moderating them and wrote it off as his own little pet project I shouldn't interfere with. Still cool.

The issue comes about when no one cleans up after them. They are treated much lighter than the rest of the userbase and don't seem to have to play by the same rules. Obviously this is a massive blanket statement to make, as it is more so only a select few. But it's still a trend people have noticed.

I wish I came here from ED so that I had a free license to shitpost outside of supporters and inner circle.

Anonymous said:
he has forbidden them from deleting shitposts from ED spergs even though they're derailing threads and baitposting left and right.


These are worded a bit harshly, but the idea is the same. Figured bringing this to light here myself might give this decently widespread opinion a bit more attention than if someone else had done it.

TL;DR - It would be chill &/or realistic to be given the green light on equal rule enforcement of certain ED associated users.
 

John Furrman

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What if we are members of EDF and came over before the exodus? Can we shit post harder?
 

Null

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I let LIC get away with 50% of what he does because it's funny to me. I mean I literally decorate his posts with fishing hooks and people still get riled up for 4 fucking pages at the idea that "women don't have dicks".

The forum is growing soft, and over-sensitive. It expects us to protect them from dissenting opinions and I'm not going out of my way to make people comfortable anymore. I'd rather be a hypocrite and show favoritism than let the crybabies feel at home.
 
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Glaive

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I'm very in favor of a low-deletion approach as a whole too. I've seen many nuked posts that could easily be left alone. Like the entire "Is there a superior culture" thread in Deep Thoughts. So for even me to recognize when too much slack is being given, something is up.

I haven't touched a single post by any of the members we are referring to in months. But given that you now just said
like LIC get away with 50% of what he does
, may myself and the rest of staff likewise start applying action towards these types of posters when needed? Just getting some clarification that they aren't untouchable by anyone but yourself (which is what I've assumed and gone by for a while now).
Figured it would be a short term thing but some have stayed and nested. There was even a string of nonsensical ADF posts made that managed to not once mention ADF. If that were anyone else it would be nuked for blatant off-topic.
 

Null

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I'm very in favor of a low-deletion approach as a whole too. I've seen many nuked posts that could easily be left alone. Like the entire "Is there a superior culture" thread in Deep Thoughts. So for even me to recognize when too much slack is being given, something is up.
Mods always look for something to delete. Sun shines, grass grows.

may myself and the rest of staff likewise start applying action towards these types of posters when needed? Just getting some clarification that they aren't untouchable by anyone but yourself (which is what I've assumed and gone by for a while now).
That's not true. Hellblazer and HSMOF are perpetually threadbanning and pruning LIC's posts and arguments.

The actual problem isn't that LIC baits, it's that he can bait. It's like blaming the DDoS'er for doing a DDoS. The actual problem is that you're susceptible to an attack at all. The exact same shit happened with P-Logic. He just goes into a thread "Wow the trolls behind this are creepy" and gets 40 pages of people trying to convince him otherwise every single time. That's a sickness, and it needs to be cured.
 

Watcher

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Nobody's going to fall for this rule.

These people feed off attention like a narcotic. They come here deliberately to bait. If you just try and enforce people to try and ignore them they will try harder, in such a way that will guarantee them attention.

You go 10 they'll go 20 and start making shitposting threads as opposed to posts, keep pushing and they'll start antagonizing users or starting drama because they've noticed that'll work.

The fact of the matter is you eventually need to stop pandering to these people and stop caring about what they think. Because they do not lend you the same courtesy at all.
 

Null

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The fact of the matter is you eventually need to stop pandering to these people and stop caring about what they think. Because they do not lend you the same courtesy at all.
It's not that I care what they think. LIC bitching that we have mods doesn't phase me because I understand it's a necessity, but going into a thread about pronouns and saying "women don't have dicks" shouldn't cause some 2 page argument with someone who knows what the expected reaction is.

The two sides are, you let arguments take place when dumb people fall for traps, or you remove the traps and let the forum be dumb people.
 

sugoi-chan

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The two sides are, you let arguments take place when dumb people fall for traps, or you remove the traps and let the forum be dumb people.

I've never been in a forum of this size where people didn't let their emotion get to them or didn't derail threads in arguments. That's what people in large groups do, and that's what mod moderation is there for. Purposefully letting it happen, purposefully letting a group of baitposters rile up the group of people who fall for bait in order to teach the wider forum a lesson isn't going to have the outcome you desire.
 

Watcher

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It's not that I care what they think. LIC bitching that we have mods doesn't phase me because I understand it's a necessity, but going into a thread about pronouns and saying "women don't have dicks" shouldn't cause some 2 page argument with someone who knows what the expected reaction is.

The two sides are, you let arguments take place when dumb people fall for traps, or you remove the traps and let the forum be dumb people.
The problem I see is even letting these people get away with these rules in the first place. Just letting them break them just undermines having them. It proves their point indirectly that the rules aren't necessary if they can break them and the moderators don't enforce them.

These people will bait and they will continue to bait until they get attention, and they won't stop even if they don't get it.
I've never been in a forum of this size where people didn't let their emotion get to them or didn't derail threads in arguments. That's what people in large groups do, and that's what mod moderation is there for. Purposefully letting it happen, purposefully letting a group of baitposters rile up the group of people who fall for bait in order to teach the wider forum a lesson isn't going to have the outcome you desire.

This

The fact of the matter is you're trying to move an immovable object. People get emotional in groups, people get heated in arguments. Most every forum has moderators and administrators and rules for that reason. You cannot avoid this, it's part of human nature.

EDF's policy towards this is to just bait constantly and provide an atmosphere of hostility to scare people away. We should be better than this and not give in to them just because they can employ bully tactics
 

Watcher

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No one cares when Catparty or Dynastia does it.
that's because they're funny and aren't doing it to stir shit to laugh about it with their friends.

Catparty and Dynastia are our friends, we are laughing together when they do it. With EDF they're laughing at us.
 

ULTIMATEPRIMETIME

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that's because they're funny and aren't doing it to stir shit to laugh about it with their friends.

Catparty and Dynastia are our friends, we are laughing together when they do it. With EDF they're laughing at us.
no I think cat and dynastia laugh at us too
 

Philosophy Zombie

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The actual problem isn't that LIC baits, it's that he can bait. It's like blaming the DDoS'er for doing a DDoS. The actual problem is that you're susceptible to an attack at all. The exact same shit happened with P-Logic. He just goes into a thread "Wow the trolls behind this are creepy" and gets 40 pages of people trying to convince him otherwise every single time. That's a sickness, and it needs to be cured.
Same logic says you shouldn't have banned Waifu because it's people's own fault that they reveal such intimate, socially unacceptable things about themselves, and not hers for baiting in the first place. Are you going to take a protective stance toward our users or not? You're very inconsistent.

(for the record I don't care that she was banned or am trying to start something, I'm just pointing out the discrepancy here)
 

John Daker

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Delete and warn retards who post blatant shitty bait. Delete and warn retards who take said blatant shitty bait. Or just let us all shitpost wildly. Either is fine by be.
 

Null

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Same logic says you shouldn't have banned Waifu because it's people's own fault that they reveal such intimate, socially unacceptable things about themselves, and not hers for baiting in the first place. Are you going to take a protective stance toward our users or not? You're very inconsistent.
Fuck off. She came onto that kid in chat and started telling him how she wanted to plug his butt with a strapon and then a week later she's crying about what a creep he is in chat because he told her he liked lolicon. This is the forth fucking time she's publicly crucified some sped and I'm sick of handling the fallout of her bipolar, sociopathic bullshit. Team Waifu can go drown.
 
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