US Instances of Voter Fraud (Megathread?) - Probably a good idea to have a thread on this given how often it's discussed and will continue to be discussed even after November.

[Meat Target]

I'm not following these audits because I highly doubt they'll be able to find anything that rises to the threshold of legally actionable, and even if they do, I doubt anything will come of them.

But I won't discourage or root against them, because few things make Dems shriek like a chorus of pod people as reliably as a little scrutiny.

 

[Hüftpriester]

I think what's being shilled is the idea that old man Joe, who has the personality of an anal wart, has fairly won over President Trump in the safest and most secure election of all times. The reeeee'ing is from the fact that the Arizona audit is still ongoing and is producing results, and the realization that other states are joining them now.

The people who hate Trump fail to understand one crucial thing - just because Trump usually acts like a retard doesn't mean that there wasn't enough fraud to screw him. Something something a broken clock is right twice a day something something.

These posters know the corporate media is rotten to the core yet they still consume their talking points. I'm not sure if it's just to bait us or if they really believe people who have been caught lying over and over. I guess it doesn't really matter.

One thing is for sure, half of the public doesn't have any faith in 'muh democratic institutions' anymore. This is a good thing. Democracy is gay and voting is for fags. If they're going to steal elections, they might as well just drop the act and appoint oligarchs to rule over us. At least it's honest.

 

[Menotaur]

I haven't seen you post one reply on this forum that wasn't glaringly disingenuous. You try (and fail) to come off as if you're having an honest discussion or debate with someone, yet your side of the argument always 'wins'. Every goddamn time.

You try and hide your seething hatred for Republicans, but you're terrible at it. Your posts are boring and tedious. You go on and on about alllllllllll of these studies that you've supposedly read, but when you were asked in another thread to cite an example, you ignored the user you were responding to all of a sudden.

You go out of your way to act like you can be reasonable (not often) and give the other side a little (the smallest) bit of credit, but then you can't help yourself by walking back on it in the most backhanded way possible.

A few dozen?? and you're serious, which means I've been right in my suspicion all along: you are completely delusional.

I do not hate Republicans. The majority of my friends are Republicans - and that's the honest truth.

The Representatives of Republicans however is another matter.

I did cite the example - I clearly stated one state had a valid argument for contesting mail in votes however it was flawed by the standing as it would bring up another issue within the court that it could not possibly hope to provide relief for. There is only one state this applies to and it is pretty clear to those who have read the briefs.

I was generous in a few dozen examples - the entire Trump Super Elite Legal Superhero team was given 500 Million dollars and found...zero... I mean, surely you should be emailing them asking for simply 10 people who voted illegally and the proof before conceding their claims of 5 Million fraudulent votes has standing.

There is absolutely no doubt the penalty for fraud in election should be IMO considered near Treason and I welcome proof of anyone who did it - and welcome their prosecution regardless of their party affiliation.

Now if you'd be so kind as to provide a mere 10 fraudulent ballots that were from 10 dead people who were dead prior to mailing their ballots, I'll take a look. So if you don't mind, not 5,000,000, I'm not even going to ask you for 1% of the purported fraudulent ballots, hell I'm gonna go all out and ask for 0.0002 percent.

Surely with all the work the entire GOP did with all the investigations, countless lawyers and PIs you have merely 0.0002 percent?

 

[Menotaur]

This is classic tactic of 'shills'. They give your idea a little credit to make it seem like they're on your side, then they manipulate the language of your argument to change the discussion ever so slightly in their direction. They solidify the new direction by adding a 'truth', or something that can't be instantly disagreed upon, then wrap it all up in a summary that agrees with their original position and makes it sound like you agree as well.

I see this format all over the internet. Reddit is a training camp for anyone wanting to easily identify shill accounts. It's like they all get trained on the same rhetorical devices and lingual tricks.

Example:


IF - a little bit of agreement based on a condition of your argument, in this case, fraud


In reality x condition - a lingual trick to make you think you're on the same side


Curious that 2016 is mentioned...


...When we're only talking about 2020...

And earlier? Notice how 2016 AND and earlier is brought up? Not just 2020 and earlier?

Because, in this case, if you agree 2020 was fraudulent, then you must also agree that 2016 was fraudulent. A lingual trick again, to get you to agree to his side of the argument. In this case, Russian collusion in 2016.


These fuckers do it all over the internet and it's a piece of piss to pick apart because they stick to the same format. Every time. Every post.

As for the wall of texts that you see in shill/leftists posts, it works like low-grade gruel in a cult. It wears you down so that you have less desire to fight, argue or correct. You either think "oh whatever, mong" or "i can't be arsed reading that". It's one of the reasons that "no fun allowed" or "cool story bro" has been vilified as a reply; because that instant dismissal makes a shills job impossible. And who do the shills work for?

/autism.

I'm sorry but they are valid points.

There was no audit done in 2016 or 2012 of the election so the same holds true that if same methods of fraud were used they are invalid unless of course you think it didn't happen. Unless of course you would like to think everyone suddenly became dishonest in 2020 and before that they were fucking angles. I am merely saying raising it for one state and not another is invalid - if one state has a false result then the entire thing comes into question.

You really must stop arguing this matter as a "for" or "against" and do what the courts did - view it as a subject without fanfare for which result you hope to see. You must be impartial. You can be shocked all the Republican judges ruled against the actions but they were ruling against the action, not the party. Whereas you'd rule for the party, and then you can kiss your republic goodbye. This is why there was such disappointment. You didn't care if any fraud was proven or not, you just wanted the result changed and you couldn't care less if there was evidence or not. They knew this when they got your donations and knew their public would not even bother to read the briefs and would instead watch the conferences and hearings because they knew you were too lazy to read and find out they didn't put almost anything from their conferences in actual briefs.

And yes "IF" is important because IF one position holds true another will follow. Example "If he was present at the corner of Dick and Hole Street at 3.15pm then he IS s suspect". So no matter how much you hate the nigger you are trying to jail, you've got to prove he was at the corner at 3.15PM. But If he was fucking your wife at 3.15 and there's a video, your case goes out the window and I am sorry for you (twice).

Your entire argument is this "If it is was possible to commit fraud, then the democrats did it AND they happened to do it by the exact margin we lost from ONLY in the states where we LOST. AND they did it while we held the Government Federally AND IN EVERY STATE WHERE IT MAGICALLY HAPPENED, and didn't see it coming despite us talking about it for 6 months in case we lost the election.. AND they did it in association with numerous other countries."

So I put to you, I am not dancing with "IF" but you have been living in it since November 5 2020. Living IN IT.

And it is time to emerge otherwise you will not recognize the actual problems we actually do have with the elections otherwise your solution of just burn it all down takes several hundred years of good efforts and dismisses them as garbage.

Got a case of fraud? Prove it and you'll be remembered in history as the man who saved democracy. I doubt you will and instead will go down as the man who decided it simply was all wrong and it will be OK to cheat and double vote in 2024...kind of what Trump wanted when he told you not to trust mail-in ballots and to instead vote by mail AND again in person to "ensure your vote counted".

Remember argue the case for and against and you might come up with a viewpoint like mine: There was technical issues with procedures that under exceptional circumstances allowed procedures to take place that could be construed as violations of election laws, but no actual fraud. If these procedures were wrong in one state and you file a case against the winning states you invalidate all results in all states if you were to win which is a form of relief so preposterous no court would hear it and you invalidate the entire system of government and the constitution and laws surrounding the elections. They would not hear it because...you are arguing to restrict the ability to vote under any circumstance while at the same time arguing you are allowed by State to restrict who can vote and when at your entire discretion. A null argument only to be won in another country of lesser peoples.

You are arguing people who do not buy apples for their babies from the market are to be jailed as abusers, and also arguing you are allowed to restrict who can go to the market and when. It's a ridiculous argument.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

If the Biden dickriders honestly believed there was no fraud, they would be pushing for the audit themselves. It's pretty clear they don't believe their own narrative, otherwise the audit would be their way of proving 51% of Americans that they are wrong and that Joe indeed won fair and square in the most secure election ever.

At this point there's nothing left but to wait and see. Either way the consequences will be entertaining. Democrats are kind of fucked now, their own fault for ushering the post-truth era where consensus trumps facts.

 

[Menotaur]

If the Biden dickriders honestly believed there was no fraud, they would be pushing for the audit themselves. It's pretty clear they don't believe their own narrative, otherwise the audit would be their way of proving 51% of Americans that they are wrong and that Joe indeed won fair and square in the most secure election ever.

At this point there's nothing left but to wait and see. Either way the consequences will be entertaining. Democrats are kind of fucked now, their own fault for ushering the post-truth era where consensus trumps facts.

Why should we push for an audit that you guys pushed for and had done in the states - run by Republicans only to prove that the election was correct. And then you paid for it to be done a THIRD time and it came out roses for democrats.

So again, why would we ask for an audit you guys already did (sometimes 3 times).

Repeating the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result isn't proof your insane, it just proves you haven't read Einstein.

 

[Hippopatumus]

Why should we push for an audit that you guys pushed for and had done in the states - run by Republicans only to prove that the election was correct. And then you paid for it to be done a THIRD time and it came out roses for democrats.

So again, why would we ask for an audit you guys already did (sometimes 3 times).

Repeating the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result isn't proof your insane, it just proves you haven't read Einstein.

Sorry, you are implying states like AZ and GA had two full 2020 audits already?

When was that?

 

[Techpriest]

Sorry, you are implying states like AZ and GA had two full 2020 audits already?

When was that?

Immediately after the elections because fraud was claimed. There’s been several audits already that confirmed the results, the most recent ones are being done by legislatures still salty about the results. It’s the definition of insanity.

 

[Eggplant Wizard]

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t the Governor of Georgia openly admit that State law wasn’t followed when it came to certifying the votes for Biden? As in he admitted that the standard procedure for close races wasn’t followed to completion. I do not recall where I heard that but of info, so take my word with half a grain of salt.

 

[Hippopatumus]

Immediately after the elections because fraud was claimed. There’s been several audits already that confirmed the results, the most recent ones are being done by legislatures still salty about the results. It’s the definition of insanity.

Wow I do not recall hearing anything about that! How did they manage to count all the pallets of ballots so quick? Where did these audits take place? And when?

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Why should we push for an audit that you guys pushed for and had done in the states - run by Republicans only to prove that the election was correct. And then you paid for it to be done a THIRD time and it came out roses for democrats.

So again, why would we ask for an audit you guys already did (sometimes 3 times).

Repeating the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result isn't proof your insane, it just proves you haven't read Einstein.

You don't have to do anything. Just keep sitting on your thumbs, pretending nothing is going on. Ignore that the number of Americans who believe the election was stolen grows bigger and bigger by the day. It's 51% now. More than half of the country. What do you think will happen when the number reaches 70%-80%?

 

[Techpriest]

Wow I do not recall hearing anything about that! How did they manage to count all the pallets of ballots so quick? Where did these audits take place? And when?

The audits took place in various counties and shortly after the election, in November and December. How they counted them was with the same equipment they used to tally the votes in the first place.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t the Governor of Georgia openly admit that State law wasn’t followed when it came to certifying the votes for Biden? As in he admitted that the standard procedure for close races wasn’t followed to completion. I do not recall where I heard that but of info, so take my word with half a grain of salt.

He didn’t. The procedure was followed.

 

[Hippopatumus]

The audits took place in various counties and shortly after the election, in November and December. How they counted them was with the same equipment they used to tally the votes in the first place.

Do you not have something more concrete than "various counties and shortly after the election"?

 

[Techpriest]

Do you not have something more concrete than "various counties and shortly after the election"?

Here, literally two seconds on Google..

 

[Menotaur]

You don't have to do anything. Just keep sitting on your thumbs, pretending nothing is going on. Ignore that the number of Americans who believe the election was stolen grows bigger and bigger by the day. It's 51% now. More than half of the country. What do you think will happen when the number reaches 70%-80%?

More than half the country believes in Bigfoot and God, so I am not terribly worried.

100% of people believed lightning and Earthquakes were from God and the world was flat.

If you think following what other people believe gives you a brotherhood than proceed. But it doesn't make you a thinker. If Trump told you the Moon landings were fake you'd probably demand a hearing on that too.

However, given it was republicans that handed defeat to republicans, I suggest you vent your anger to the real targets - your judges, your government and your people. You had the state courts, the Supreme Court, the justice Department, the FBI and the CIA and somehow Joe Jones from Eerie defeated your Federal government in fraud.

Go cry and beat up on your own people. They are the correct target. It was Republicans that certified the election in the House and Senate, and it was Republican state legislations that passed the certification. It was republican judges who threw your cases out. It was a republican supreme court that said no.

So why are you bothering the other side? Your friends are you enemy if you haven't bloody cottoned on by now.

 

[Eggplant Wizard]

Ah, here it is, he said that they didn’t perform any signature audits. He literally stalled out the clock on that one. On a mobile device so I can’t archive it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24mEEAhuoaQ

 

[Techpriest]

Ah, here it is, he said that they didn’t perform any signature audits. He literally stalled out the clock on that one. On a mobile device so I can’t archive it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24mEEAhuoaQ

You keep shifting the goal posts.

 

[Hippopatumus]

Here, literally two seconds on Google..

Great, and where are the other one (two?) for Georgia?

 

[Techpriest]

Great, and where are the other one (two?) for Georgia?

I don’t know if Georgia had a second. I do know that Arizona had two before the current retarded insanity undertaken by idiots who don’t know how to do their jobs.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

More than half the country believes in Bigfoot and God, so I am not terribly worried.

100% of people believed lightning and Earthquakes were from God and the world was flat.

If you think following what other people believe gives you a brotherhood than proceed. But it doesn't make you a thinker. If Trump told you the Moon landings were fake you'd probably demand a hearing on that too.

However, given it was republicans that handed defeat to republicans, I suggest you vent your anger to the real targets - your judges, your government and your people. You had the state courts, the Supreme Court, the justice Department, the FBI and the CIA and somehow Joe Jones from Eerie defeated your Federal government in fraud.

Go cry and beat up on your own people. They are the correct target. It was Republicans that certified the election in the House and Senate, and it was Republican state legislations that passed the certification. It was republican judges who threw your cases out. It was a republican supreme court that said no.

So why are you bothering the other side? Your friends are you enemy if you haven't bloody cottoned on by now.

May I remind you that politics is about winning, not about facts? You may even be factually right, but with an angry mob baying for your blood, can you say you won? Point is Democrats have fucked around with the truth long enough for it to bite them on the ass. Enjoy the show, everyone.