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The Japanese navy despite being a “local” Navy is about 200 times better equipped, supplied and trained than the PLAN, was my point.

The Chinese underestimate how much everyone else hates them.
Besides, all you have to do is close the straits of Malacca and you’ll choke them out within months.

Something India and Indonesia will be happy to do.

Did you know that the Indonesians hate the Ccp because they tried to ferment a Marxist insurrection there decades ago ?
The Chinese are notorious for being navally incapable, Japan is trying to ramp up defenses in light of recent events in NE Asia, but I doubt they're willing to be aggressors. Especially if the US can deploy a superior force in the mean time.

I think the Chinese know how much people hate them, they just don't care. They're able to wield a lot of power based on their production and population, both local and international.

My hope is that WW3 is China vs. India because both have unsustainable populations and are fighting for the same resources.
 

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The US may have a global navy and 11 aircraft carriers, but they don't stand a chance against the Liaoning.
Realistically any tally of the US carrier fleet should include the amphibious assault ships (so 20 total at the moment), they're at least as capable as most other nations ships.

The displacement of the wasp class is about equal the Charles de Gaulle (the only non-american nuclear powered carrier and the only one with a catapult) and the newer America class slightly exceeds it, and it only carries 1/4 more aircraft.

As far as larger ships go, the Kuznetsov is a piece of shit that barely floats and the Liaoning is of the same class, originally called the Varyag before it was sold to China and intended as a floating casino. The other carrier China's built is a slightly better copy and the one they're building now is the same with the addition of a catapult. The Queen Elizabeth is bigger than them but it has roughly the same aircraft capacity.
 

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The Chinese are notorious for being navally incapable, Japan is trying to ramp up defenses in light of recent events in NE Asia, but I doubt they're willing to be aggressors. Especially if the US can deploy a superior force in the mean time.

I think the Chinese know how much people hate them, they just don't care. They're able to wield a lot of power based on their production and population, both local and international.

My hope is that WW3 is China vs. India because both have unsustainable populations and are fighting for the same resources.
Why would you hope for such a thing?
Why are people so comfortable expressing a wish for the death of “ the surplus population.”
Especially when both populations have essentially topped out due to industrialization.
Besides the humanitarian disaster you realize how disruptive such a conflict would be on a global scale?


The best case scenario that is the most humane for China’s people and in our best interest is a Balkanization of the area.

The various non ethnic Han Chinese deserve self determination. Especially since the CCP aren’t remotely concerned with administering to them in a non ethnic cleansing fashion.

China’s numbers mean jack shit. The Korean War proved that. Make enough bullets and a their Zerg rush will be for naught.

A highly trained, well supplied and equipped group of soldiers can easily decimate forces many times greater than them. Within limits of course but still.

No one really grasps how shoddy the PLA is.

The Chinese can act like they don’t care but so far the targets they’ve openly picked fights with are nations that are worse off than them militarily speaking.

It’s a bluff. And a poor one that falls apart under scrutiny.
 

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Realistically any tally of the US carrier fleet should include the amphibious assault ships (so 20 total at the moment), they're at least as capable as most other nations ships.

The displacement of the wasp class is about equal the Charles de Gaulle (the only non-american nuclear powered carrier and the only one with a catapult) and the newer America class slightly exceeds it, and it only carries 1/4 more aircraft.

As far as larger ships go, the Kuznetsov is a piece of shit that barely floats and the Liaoning is of the same class, originally called the Varyag before it was sold to China and intended as a floating casino. The other carrier China's built is a slightly better copy and the one they're building now is the same with the addition of a catapult. The Queen Elizabeth is bigger than them but it has roughly the same aircraft capacity.
Yeah, the guy in Macau who bought what is now the Liaoning must have been pissed when the PLA took it. The type 002 that they're gonna be deploying sounds like a piece of shit, but the planned type 003 that will probably come out within the next decade sounds legit. I guess it depends on how much technology they're able to steal.

Why would you hope for such a thing?
Why are people so comfortable expressing a wish for the death of “ the surplus population.”
Especially when both populations have essentially topped out due to industrialization.
Besides the humanitarian disaster you realize how disruptive such a conflict would be on a global scale?


The best case scenario that is the most humane for China’s people and in our best interest is a Balkanization of the area.

The various non ethnic Han Chinese deserve self determination. Especially since the CCP aren’t remotely concerned with administering to them in a non ethnic cleansing fashion.

China’s numbers mean jack shit. The Korean War proved that. Make enough bullets and a their Zerg rush will be for naught.

A highly trained, well supplied and equipped group of soldiers can easily decimate forces many times greater than them. Within limits of course but still.

No one really grasps how shoddy the PLA is.

The Chinese can act like they don’t care but so far the targets they’ve openly picked fights with are nations that are worse off than them militarily speaking.

It’s a bluff. And a poor one that falls apart under scrutiny.
India and China are both terrible countries. I don't wish death on anyone, but they're massively overpopulated and fighting for the same resources and I don't care if they start killing each other over that. Ethnic Balkanization isn't going to happen because China is 70% Han and all think with the same brain. The other 55 ethnic groups are so tiny that they don't stand a chance.

The Korean War is a poor comparison to the cold conflict in the region right now, the 50's were a much different time. There's a 0% chance that America has an appetite for a land war in Asia unless it's directly attacked. The PLA may be shit, but it just has to be less shit than it's neighbors.
 

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Yeah, the guy in Macau who bought what is now the Liaoning must have been pissed when the PLA took it. The type 002 that they're gonna be deploying sounds like a piece of shit, but the planned type 003 that will probably come out within the next decade sounds legit. I guess it depends on how much technology they're able to steal.



India and China are both terrible countries. I don't wish death on anyone, but they're massively overpopulated and fighting for the same resources and I don't care if they start killing each other over that. Ethnic Balkanization isn't going to happen because China is 70% Han and all think with the same brain. The other 55 ethnic groups are so tiny that they don't stand a chance.

The Korean War is a poor comparison to the cold conflict in the region right now, the 50's were a much different time. There's a 0% chance that America has an appetite for a land war in Asia unless it's directly attacked. The PLA may be shit, but it just has to be less shit than it's neighbors.

I find the spread of these sentiments troubling.

I’ll leave it at that.
 
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An update, Duterte warns China of 'suicide missions':

https://thediplomat.com/2019/04/with-new-philippine-tensions-china-overplays-its-hand/

With New South China Sea Tensions With Philippines, China Overplays Its Hand
China’s attempts to test the U.S.-Philippine alliance may strengthen the alliance at a critical time.

By Ankit PandaApril 15, 2019







The South China Sea is heating up once again. This time, tensions are rising between China and the Philippines, with echoes of their 2012 stand-off over the Scarborough Shoal. However, unlike then, the Philippine leadership – specifically President Rodrigo Duterte – has, for some time, been expressing favour towards Beijing.
The current crisis concerns the Philippines’ most significant military outpost in the Spratly group – in waters that China claims under its capacious nine-dash line that covers nearly 90 per cent of the South China Sea.
According to official Philippine government statistics for the first quarter of 2019, there were 657 sightings of 275 distinct Chinese vessels in the waters around Thitu Island, which is not far from one of China’s largest artificial islands in the Spratly group, Mischief Reef.
These vessels encompass the gamut of Chinese capabilities, including so-called “maritime militia” vessels – commercial ships tasked with asserting Beijing’s interests. In recent years, China also has supported the operation of these vessels with warships and maritime law enforcement vessels.
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One-to-one, the Philippine Navy is hopelessly outmatched against China. The large number of vessels around Thitu Island not only has deterred Philippine fishermen from entering waters that an international tribunal in 2016 deemed to rightfully belong to Manila’s continental shelf, but also restricts the movement of the country’s military vessels.
Moreover, China’s militarization of Mischief Reef and six other natural features in the Spratlys over the past five years has sealed in a permanent presence threatening Manila’s capabilities.
The tribunal ruling that was meant to bring down the full force of international law in the Philippines’ favour regarding maritime entitlement claims fell flat as China carried on ignoring the award and a change in government in Manila allowed relations between the two countries to enter a new phase under Duterte.
Beijing’s push in the Spratlys, however, comes not long after the United States offered an important clarification to Manila on the scope of the countries’ mutual defence treaty.
For years, Philippine officials had expressed frustration over Washington’s reluctance to unequivocally clarify whether an attack by a third party on disputed features administered by the Philippines in the South China Sea would fall under the treaty’s collective defence provision.
Last month, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo offered that clarification for the first time. The two countries have been treaty allies since August 30, 1951, making Manila Washington’s oldest formal ally in the eastern hemisphere to receive security assurances.
“China’s island building and military activities in the South China Sea threaten [Philippine] sovereignty, security and therefore economic livelihood, as well as that of the United States,” Pompeo said last month in Manila.
“As the South China Sea is part of the Pacific, any armed attack on Philippine forces, aircraft or public vessels in the South China Sea will trigger mutual defence obligations under Article 4 of our mutual defence treaty,” he said.
Apart from pushing back on Manila’s efforts to maintain and improve Thitu Island, China appears to be testing the limits of the U.S.-Philippine alliance – perhaps intending to elicit statements from Duterte that once again show deference to China and lash out at the United States.
However, that hasn’t quite happened. Somewhat uncharacteristically, Duterte pushed back on Beijing this time, warning: “If you touch [Thitu Island] … I will tell my soldiers [to] ‘prepare for suicide missions’.”
The Philippine president’s new-found vigour in pushing back against China in Manila’s exclusive economic zone will be welcome, but it remains to be seen if it will have staying power.
The country is gearing up for elections next month and, while Duterte won’t be on the ballot, voters effectively will be expressing their sentiments about his administration. Philippine sovereignty in the South China Sea remains an emotive issue and Duterte’s posturing may be motivated by these considerations.
Even so, China may have overplayed its hand with Duterte this time. With the recent assurance offered by the United States – bolstered by the recent start of the ongoing U.S.-Philippine Balikatan exercises – Manila and Washington may find themselves truly standing shoulder to shoulder.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1114273/south-china-sea-latest-news-beijing-world-war-3-philippines-Duterte-trump-us-navy

South China Sea: Philippines WARNS China of ‘suicide missions’ as alliance weakens
PHILIPPINE President Rodrigo Duterte has warned China of “suicide missions” in the South China Sea.
By CLAIRE ANDERSON
PUBLISHED: 00:56, Mon, Apr 15, 2019 | UPDATED: 13:19, Mon, Apr 15, 2019
Mr Duterte’s warning followed China’s increased presence around Pag-asa island, also known as Thitu. The island has reportedly been swarmed by hundreds of Chinese vessels. Mr Duterte said at a press conference: “I will not plead or beg, but I am just telling you that lay off the Pag-asa because I have soldiers there.
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“If you touch it, that’s another story.
"Then I will tell my soldiers ‘prepare for suicide missions’.”
The Philippines President has previously kept China as a close ally in the hope to attract trade and investment.
But he has called on the Chinese ships’ presence an “illegal” violation of Philippine sovereignty.

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President Rodrigo Duterte has warned China of “suicide missions” in the South China Sea (Image: GETTY)
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The country’s warning to China has reportedly strengthened the Philippine’s alliance with the US (Image: GETTY)
The country’s warning to China has reportedly strengthened the Philippine’s alliance with the US who are fighting to push back China’s hold on the disputed waters.
Last month, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said: “China’s island building and military activities in the South China Sea threaten Philippine sovereignty, security and therefore economic livelihood, as well as that of the United States.
“As the South China Sea is part of the Pacific, any armed attack on Philippine forces, aircraft or public vessels in the South China Sea will trigger mutual defence obligations under Article 4 of our mutual defence treaty.”
The US Navy and participated in drills alongside the Philippines to practice recapturing small islands seized by a hypothetical foreign military force.
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The Philippines President has previously kept China as a close ally (Image: GETTY)
In the exercises, the US also tested a new application for its amphibious assault ships.
The waters are the world’s busiest trade route is also claimed by the likes of Vietnam, the Philippines and Brunei.
So far, the US has conducted 15 freedom of navigation operations in the area since 2015.
The US also want allies to consider similar manoeuvres.
 
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