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Maduro blame a cyberattack from the US as the cause of the blackout. http://news.trust.org/item/20190310171437-jhq11

(Adds Maduro quote, shopping difficulties in Caracas, details on blackout)

By Mayela Armas and Deisy Buitrago

CARACAS, March 10 (Reuters) - Venezuelans woke up to a fourth day of an unprecedented nationwide blackout on Sunday, leaving residents concerned about the impacts of the lack of electricity on the South American country's health, communications and transport systems.

Socialist President Nicolas Maduro - who is facing a challenge to his rule by the leader of the opposition-led congress, Juan Guaido - has blamed the blackout on an act of "sabotage" by the United States at the Guri hydroelectric dam, but experts say it is the outcome of years of underinvestment.

"The national electrical system has been subject to multiple cyberattacks," Maduro wrote on Twitter on Sunday. "However, we are making huge efforts to restore stable and definitive supply in the coming hours."

Guaido invoked the constitution to assume an interim presidency in January, arguing that Maduro's 2018 re-election was fraudulent. He has been recognized as Venezuela's legitimate leader by the United States and most Western countries.

Despite pressure from frequent opposition marches and U.S. sanctions on the country's vital oil sector, Maduro is not open to negotiations on ending the political impasse and seems intent on trying to stay put, said Elliott Abrams, the Trump administration's envoy for Venezuela.

The blackout, which began Thursday afternoon, increased frustration among Venezuelans already suffering widespread food and medicine shortages, as the once-prosperous OPEC nation's economy suffers a hyperinflationary collapse. Food rotted in refrigerators, people walked for miles to work with the Caracas subway down, and relatives abroad anxiously waited for updates from family members with telephone and internet signals intermittent.

"What can you do without electricity?" said Leonel Gutierrez, a 47-year-old systems technician, as he carried his six-month-old daughter on his way to buy groceries. "The food we have has gone bad."
 

Pixy Misa

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Maduro's entire defense relies on him being this "brave defender" of Venezuela's oil from "evil" America. Not unlike Chavez before him. As if Russia and China, Maduro's biggest allies, actually cared about the people of Venezuela.

Even if he was right and this is a huge conspiracy from America to get to Venezuela's oil, the simple fact is that Venezuelan people are better without him. Even if Guaido wasn't legal, the fact of the matter is that most of the people want him as a leader and not Maduro.

I want to believe these so-called "bolivarian" ideals are to defend the people and not some limited natural resource. Not to imply a country shouldn't defend themselves or whatever. But if your people are literally starving due to you, and they would be objectively better if you weren't there, It's time to step down. Whether or not this is a conspiracy to get oil is not relevant.
 
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Ghostse

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Maduro's entire defense relies on him being this "brave defender" of Venezuela's oil from "evil" America. Not unlike Chavez before him. As if Russia and China, Maduro's biggest allies, actually cared about the people of Venezuela.
That I think is mostly my issues with the people screaming about American imperialism. Its less that the US is some altruistic saintly who didn't do nothing, its just people look at the alternative and seriously believing that China and Russia are better and they aren't just being a mindlessly anti-american useful idiot?

Its like Huawei, a chinese company, complaining about the US detaining their CEO, screeding on twitter about "constitutional rights" - the same sort of rights that are being denied to anyone in reeduction prisons for daring to speak out against the party or suggesting that Taiwan and Tibet AREN'T immutable parts of China.
 

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Its entirely possible the CIA is destroying Venezuela's power grid. Considering how rickety the thing was to begin with a team of 4 dudes with a sufficient quanity of C4 could easily knock the whole thing over. Take out a few key nodes and the rest will blow under the strain. If it turns out the CIA really did do it I would not be shocked. But its easily just as likely the system is failing due to lack of maintenance. Venezuela is completely broke and the equipment needed to run a power station and transformer stations is not exactly cheap. When they can't even afford to buy toilet paper on the global market, how can they be expected to buy electrical equipment?

Either way this is probably it for Maduro. When your government cannot even keep the lights on you have pretty much lost the plot.
 

Ghostse

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Either way this is probably it for Maduro. When your government cannot even keep the lights on you have pretty much lost the plot.
I don't know about that. I thought refusing food & medicine to keep your people from dying would have been the end, but its been like 3 weeks, still in power. I'm starting to believe its impossible to churro the Maduro.
 
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Its entirely possible the CIA is destroying Venezuela's power grid. Considering how rickety the thing was to begin with a team of 4 dudes with a sufficient quanity of C4 could easily knock the whole thing over. Take out a few key nodes and the rest will blow under the strain. If it turns out the CIA really did do it I would not be shocked. But its easily just as likely the system is failing due to lack of maintenance. Venezuela is completely broke and the equipment needed to run a power station and transformer stations is not exactly cheap. When they can't even afford to buy toilet paper on the global market, how can they be expected to buy electrical equipment?
My own thinking is that the CIA, or possibly some other USG agency, might have given supplies and training to some group or groups in Venezuela that makes it hard to trace it back to them.

How easy is it for unmaintained transformer stations to blow up on its own? Engineers, please respond.
 

Pixy Misa

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I don't doubt America is having a hand and the CIA is doing things behind the scenes. And this it's been done out of interest in Venezuela's oil. But their point still stands, people in Venezuela would be better without Maduro.

Maduro is just making a "brave" last stand not to give the oil to America... so he can give it to Russia and China instead.
 

mindlessobserver

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My own thinking is that the CIA, or possibly some other USG agency, might have given supplies and training to some group or groups in Venezuela that makes it hard to trace it back to them.

How easy is it for unmaintained transformer stations to blow up on its own? Engineers, please respond.
Their entire system is held together by duct tape and chewing gum. A single power plant accounts for nearly 80% of their capacity. From what I understand the trouble started there, and the backup facilities just could not pick up the slack. Worse, restarting the grid is increasingly complex. Think back when the US northeast grid went down a few years ago It took days to restart and they did it in stages. Apparently these dummies tried to do it all at once and blew the distribution substations. So they are fucked.
 

AnOminous

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My own thinking is that the CIA, or possibly some other USG agency, might have given supplies and training to some group or groups in Venezuela that makes it hard to trace it back to them.

How easy is it for unmaintained transformer stations to blow up on its own? Engineers, please respond.
Maybe, but the CIA had nothing to do with the fact these power outages are incredibly common already and this is just a particularly long one.

That said, it's the kind of shit the CIA does all the time, and frankly, in this case, should be doing more of.
 

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Worse, restarting the grid is increasingly complex.
Most interesting is how you need power to run the grid and start up power plants. Very few power plants in any grid have the black start capability, that is, to be able to start up without external power from the grid. Typically these are hydro power plants and plants equipped with impressive diesel aggregate generators. If the grid blacks out and the plants that are black start capable on paper have trouble starting, you're pretty much fucked. If all goes as planned, you get the black start plants online and use them to boot up the grid and start up the rest of the grid power supply.

Which brings us to the Venezuelan offline hydro plant: it's probably the primary black start plant for the entire grid.
 

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If the US wants to take out someone's power grid, we don't just bomb bits of it. We drop carbon fiber on it. If you see that happening we've decided to get involved. Indiscriminately blowing stuff up we don't have to is a waste when we go in and put things back together after.
 

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If the US wants to take out someone's power grid, we don't just bomb bits of it. We drop carbon fiber on it. If you see that happening we've decided to get involved. Indiscriminately blowing stuff up we don't have to is a waste when we go in and put things back together after.
We're not going to overtly attack them that way. If we were, we'd just put boots on the ground and go in.
 

Ghostse

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I'm not going say this isn't a CIA op, but lets face it: It doesn't need to be.


Caracas station chief brings in some hooded powerschlub, the head of maintenance for the local power station. Offers him a costco pack of Charmin to not do any upkeep on the substation's capacitors.
"You got a deal, cholo but jokes on you: I wasn't going to do it anyway. I wouldn't even if I could read the manuals."
 

TowinKarz

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We're not going to overtly attack them that way. If we were, we'd just put boots on the ground and go in.
Yeah, the reasonable deniability approach of random stuff blowing up at night with cruise missiles is only needed when there's significant political backlash for getting involved. There is, and has never really been, any problem with the US acting overtly in South America when it feels it has to.

We ran over Granada with an aircraft carrier in broad daylight when it was decided enough was enough.


I'm not going say this isn't a CIA op, but lets face it: It doesn't need to be.


Caracas station chief brings in some hooded powerschlub, the head of maintenance for the local power station. Offers him a costco pack of Charmin to not do any upkeep on the substation's capacitors.
"You got a deal, cholo but jokes on you: I wasn't going to do it anyway. I wouldn't even if I could read the manuals."
CIA operatives or HAARP magic explodey beams are to SA dictators what fake hate crimes are in the US, created excuses to justify the narrative that keeps people in power when the actual bad actors that used to perform that function have largely ceased to exist.
 

Ghostse

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CIA operatives or HAARP magic explodey beams are to SA dictators what fake hate crimes are in the US, created excuses to justify the narrative that keeps people in power when the actual bad actors that used to perform that function have largely ceased to exist.
It was an inside job; Maduro wants to make sure he's the only one in the country with power.

Venezuelan posters, you are welcome to steal that one provided it translates into spanish correctly.
Hopefully I posted it before your telecom infrastruture goes completely dark.
 
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