Venezuela Megathread - Mercenaries 2 references galore! Cubanodun is MVP

Tealeaf

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Worse, restarting the grid is increasingly complex.
Most interesting is how you need power to run the grid and start up power plants. Very few power plants in any grid have the black start capability, that is, to be able to start up without external power from the grid. Typically these are hydro power plants and plants equipped with impressive diesel aggregate generators. If the grid blacks out and the plants that are black start capable on paper have trouble starting, you're pretty much fucked. If all goes as planned, you get the black start plants online and use them to boot up the grid and start up the rest of the grid power supply.

Which brings us to the Venezuelan offline hydro plant: it's probably the primary black start plant for the entire grid.
 

kcbbq

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If the US wants to take out someone's power grid, we don't just bomb bits of it. We drop carbon fiber on it. If you see that happening we've decided to get involved. Indiscriminately blowing stuff up we don't have to is a waste when we go in and put things back together after.
 

AnOminous

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If the US wants to take out someone's power grid, we don't just bomb bits of it. We drop carbon fiber on it. If you see that happening we've decided to get involved. Indiscriminately blowing stuff up we don't have to is a waste when we go in and put things back together after.
We're not going to overtly attack them that way. If we were, we'd just put boots on the ground and go in.
 

Ghostse

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I'm not going say this isn't a CIA op, but lets face it: It doesn't need to be.


Caracas station chief brings in some hooded powerschlub, the head of maintenance for the local power station. Offers him a costco pack of Charmin to not do any upkeep on the substation's capacitors.
"You got a deal, cholo but jokes on you: I wasn't going to do it anyway. I wouldn't even if I could read the manuals."
 

TowinKarz

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We're not going to overtly attack them that way. If we were, we'd just put boots on the ground and go in.
Yeah, the reasonable deniability approach of random stuff blowing up at night with cruise missiles is only needed when there's significant political backlash for getting involved. There is, and has never really been, any problem with the US acting overtly in South America when it feels it has to.

We ran over Granada with an aircraft carrier in broad daylight when it was decided enough was enough.


I'm not going say this isn't a CIA op, but lets face it: It doesn't need to be.


Caracas station chief brings in some hooded powerschlub, the head of maintenance for the local power station. Offers him a costco pack of Charmin to not do any upkeep on the substation's capacitors.
"You got a deal, cholo but jokes on you: I wasn't going to do it anyway. I wouldn't even if I could read the manuals."
CIA operatives or HAARP magic explodey beams are to SA dictators what fake hate crimes are in the US, created excuses to justify the narrative that keeps people in power when the actual bad actors that used to perform that function have largely ceased to exist.
 

Ghostse

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CIA operatives or HAARP magic explodey beams are to SA dictators what fake hate crimes are in the US, created excuses to justify the narrative that keeps people in power when the actual bad actors that used to perform that function have largely ceased to exist.
It was an inside job; Maduro wants to make sure he's the only one in the country with power.

Venezuelan posters, you are welcome to steal that one provided it translates into spanish correctly.
Hopefully I posted it before your telecom infrastruture goes completely dark.
 

Imnus

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It's not only electricity, there is also a water crisis:


 

Ghostse

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It's not only electricity, there is also a water crisis:


Well yeah. No power to run the water pumps, so now you get to drink from the river downtown.
 

RodgerDodger

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Maduro's entire defense relies on him being this "brave defender" of Venezuela's oil from "evil" America. .
Has anybody told the Venezuelan's that America doesn't need their oil anymore? Let alone seek to control it? Their core problem is the advanced nations developed Fracking. They can reclaim domestic oil to such a degree that the US is outproducing Saudi Arabia and has become an oil exporter instead of an oil importer. That's the reason their wonderful Socialist Utopia collapsed under the careful economic stewardship of an illiterate bus driver. Venezuela's entire economy was leveraged on one thing. Oil. And the core consumers suddenly no longer needed their product at the prices they were offering.

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I guess the US Marines are finally bombing Venezuela.
Are we sure it's not just a particularly festive Mardi Gras? and why would the "Yanqui's" bother bombing Venezuela at this point? Each bomb costs more than the local economy is worth. Nobody wants to take ownership of that mess.

We ran over Granada with an aircraft carrier in broad daylight when it was decided enough was enough.
In our defense I think they technically filled out the paperwork on that one as simply "24 hour Shore Leave". The only thing that raised questions is there was substantially less damage in Grenada than what normally happens when Marine's get shore leave.


Stolen from SS. Better dead than red Heinz.
So the only thing they have left is acres of full sugar Coke? Those CIA fiends! It's all a clever plan to make the Chavistas obese and lethargic! (It also says something that even when starvation is happening the shelves are still stocked with Coke! No nutritional value and even less taste!)
 
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neverendingmidi

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So the only thing they have left is acres of full sugar Coke? Those CIA fiends! It's all a clever plan to make the Chavistas obese and lethargic! (It also says something that even when starvation is happening the shelves are still stocked with Coke! No nutritional value and even less taste!)
I dunno, at least the five aisles of ketchup might protect against scurvy?
 

Ghostse

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Has anybody told the Venezuelan's that America doesn't need their oil anymore? Let alone seek to control it? Their core problem is the advanced nations developed Fracking. They can reclaim domestic oil to such a degree that the US is outproducing Saudi Arabia and has become an oil exporter instead of an oil importer. That's the reason their wonderful Socialist Utopia collapsed under the careful economic stewardship of an illiterate bus driver. Venezuela's entire economy was leveraged on one thing. Oil. And the core consumers suddenly no longer needed their product at the prices they were offering.
Lets be honest here. The US still wants control of Venezuela's oil, shit though it is. But we care SIGNIFICANTLY less since the Dakota oi fields were discovered.

The socialists can also thank Syria and Yemen. Saudi Arabia and Iran have been flooding the market - and can't stop flooding it - to pay for their proxy wars against each other in those countries, and that's what's been keeping the PPB cratered.


So the only thing they have left is acres of full sugar Coke? Those CIA fiends! It's all a clever plan to make the Chavistas obese and lethargic! (It also says something that even when starvation is happening the shelves are still stocked with Coke! No nutritional value and even less taste!)
And ketchup. Apparently beef is fairly readily available and (comparatively) cheap because of the grasslands there. I'd ask our Venezeulan posters if they could confirm, but well.... we all saw the fireworks.
 
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RodgerDodger

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Lets be honest here. The US still wants control of Venezuela's oil, shit though it is. But we care SIGNIFICANTLY less since the Dakota oi fields were discovered.

The socialists can also thank Syria and Yemen. Saudi Arabia and Iran have been flooding the market - and can't stop flooding it - to pay for their proxy wars against each other in those countries, and that's what's been keeping the PPB cratered.


And ketchup. Apparently beef is fairly readily available and (comparatively) cheap because of the grasslands there. I'd ask our Venezeulan posters if they could confirm, but well.... we all saw the fireworks.
But the US doesn't need to actively control Venezuela's oil. As you point out it is shit, and pretty much the only place that can really affordably refine it to anything beyond poor quality heating oil is the US. We have no need of taking ownership of that problem. The costs of controlling Venezuela's oil on the ground are not worth what it is.

And yes you are right that the problem for Venezuela is that Saudi Arabia can't stop the taps. They are built on an even bigger house of cards then Venezuela. When Oil prices drop too low their Government will fall. They use oil to buy off Public dissent. The current price for doing that is somewhere around $45/barrel. When prices drop below that The Kingdom is burning through money at a disgusting rate and nears the precipice.
 
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Adamska

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I think at this point you could Churro Maduro with a bunch of shivs and broken bottles tbh. Probably should given he's too exceptional to leave.
And ketchup. Apparently beef is fairly readily available and (comparatively) cheap because of the grasslands there. I'd ask our Venezeulan posters if they could confirm, but well.... we all saw the fireworks.
Aww, you think they have any chance at all of getting to those cows owned by the completely rich fucks that LARP at being Socialists in their gay and incestual patio parties. Nahh, I reckon that they're locked up too tight given the starvation caused by an angry exceptional bus driver who can't read both books and the atmosphere.

And honestly, the Oil's only remotely interesting because we have the tech to filter that gunk due to our own shitty sulfurous Gulf fields. Even then lol not much of a need; the Arabs and Ourselves are shitting it out thanks to extraction process improvements.
 

TowinKarz

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Not only did Venezuela back oil to a ridiculous degree, they backed it assuming the liberal lie of Peak Oil (tm), that we were running out (spread to push the green agenda) and that the price could and would only ever go up.

So not only did they foolishly leverage future oil sales to "pay" for everything, they did so of the belief that they'd owe less and less every year as they became the only petroleum source in the world that hadn't tapped out.

S.A. is going to face a Venezuelaian collapse within the decade, and the fun part? They've all got GUNS and aren't afraid to use em' !
 
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I think it's not just the oil - remember, all oil producing countries and regions are having the same problems since 2014-ish, but it only Venezuela that such an internal crisis. The government has nationalized large parts of the economy, particularly the food production sector, and then badly mismanaged it.
 
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