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The only thing Guaido has to do is to talk with Putin and offer them a schedule for payments. "See, Vlad: let's be honest: Maduro is never going to pay you back. I will". He wouldn't be lying: there is no way Maduro will pay the Ruskies back. At least not with money.
Of course not, but Guaido isn't actually in a position to give Vlad Venezuela's hard assets; Maduro is. And should Guiado take power, he's going to be taking over the exact same clusterfuck of an economy that Maduro is currently running. I could see it if Guiado could lay out a roadmap for payment that factors in the improvements from foreign investments once the sanctions get lifted, but even so, is that worth risking Russia's reputation as a patron?
 

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Now, the question would be, would Russian guys be as ready to shoot at South Americans in the same way they would soldiers from the United States? Russia is part of the Pacific Alliance, they have business with some countries in South America. Quick search says there are business trying to start trade with Paraguay, Uruguay, Peru, and Ecuador: Paraguay and Peru support Guaido, Uruguay is neutral, and Ecuador is dangerously moving to the right (also, after the World Cup, many are starting to consider Russia as a new market). Is Putin going to risk business with countries that actually will pay him back or stay with a bankrupted Venezuela only because "fuck Burgers?". Putin is a lot of things but he ain't an idiot.
Putin is backing Maduro for two reasons:
The first is the Assad reason. Russia isn't a global super-power anymore. But they like to pretend they are. They have very, very few real allies, mostly the best they get it just countries who will temporarily align with them against the US. Chavez (and therefore Maduro) was solidly in the pro-Russia camp, like Assad. So Russia is going to protect him, to show any other potential allies that Russia will have your back no matter what, as long as you stay in line.

The second is that every day that Maduro stays in power is millions being funneled to Cuba and Russia (also china). Russia and Cuba know that once Maduro is out, so are they. All these sweet heart exploitative deals they have to let them fleece the country in exchange for propping up the ruling party will go away, and they are going to go away whether Russia sends him a platoon of mercs or not. The new government is likely to scapegoat them for the current economic situation, so when Maduro is done, so are they. For a while.
China knows whoever comes next is going to almost certainly going to have to play ball with them, as long as China doesn't piss them off. This is why you're seeing a lot of soft support from China, but nothing heavy. Certainly no planes of mercs and equipment.

Russia hasn't done anything (yet) to seriously piss off any of the locals. If anything he's sending a message "Worried about staying in power? Everyone hates Maduro and Russia still has his back. If you're better than Maduro, Russia will have your back if you come over." Russian mercs are very unlikely to start firing on civilians or other nations' troops, but if there's an attempted coup, the Russian mercs will step up.
They are likely just there to be Maduro's personal guard- not so much due to skill but because they aren't put there by someone who could potentially take over the country. He doesn't need to worry if one of the guys walking around him is just waiting for an opportunity to put a bullet in him so the General he serves under can take over. (Also no fear of one of their family members died in an unsupplied hospital)
Rubio's list and implied offer of amnesty for Venezeulan generals who turn on Maduro might be having an effect. Maduro wants to make sure he remains unchurroed.
 
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With the Russians now in Venezuela, I wonder what tune those who right now support Maduro will sing; especially here in the US where Russia is seen as the ultimate in all things evil. If they continue to support him, it's basically saying out loud that they're more than willing to work with Russia.

You know, the same one they demonize and say has infiltrated our democracy and must be stopped.

Either way, it's not getting better if Russia is now sending actual boots on the ground. Guaido needs at least some concrete support now from the outside that isn't just words and condemnations of Maduro or he's fucked.
After a quick glance at nutso left debate and discussion forum on Something Awful, the arguments they're making are:

(1) Maduro invited them over to have coffee and cake and he is totally the legit president and if he does this it's all above-board.
(2) DID YOU HEAR ELLIOTT ABRAMS IS INVOLVED FOR THE AMERICANS? With his involvement anything the US does is definitively evil (which it was anyway) ELLIOTT ABRAMS ELLIOTT ABRAMS ELLIOTT ABRAMS
 
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Ghostse

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Can't Churro the Maduro.
 

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The Latest: Maduro announces 30-day rationing plan for power

The Latest on Venezuela's crisis (all times local):


9:35 p.m.

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has announced a 30-day plan to ration electricity as nationwide power cuts continue to inflict misery on millions of people.

Maduro said Sunday on national television that the plan will help deal with the outages that have also cut off water supply and communications for days at a time.


Maduro is also warning against any unrest in reaction to the blackouts, although there were already scattered protests earlier Sunday following a call by opposition leader Juan Guaido to demonstrate against the government's failure to provide basic services.

Guaido says years of government neglect and corruption has left the electrical grid in shambles after years of mismanagement. Maduro alleges U.S.-led sabotage is the cause of the power cuts, although he has not provided clear evidence.

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8:30 p.m.

Another day, another blackout.

Power went out across Venezuela on Sunday, just as it did on Saturday, and the day before that.

But while some electricity had returned by Sunday afternoon, jittery Venezuelans weren't so much celebrating the lights coming on as wondering when the next outages would flick them off.

"No one can put up with this. We spend almost all day without electricity," said Karina Camacho, a 56-year-old housewife who was about to buy a chicken when electronic payment machines stopped working. "There's been no water since (last) Monday, you can't call by phone, we can't pay with cards or even eat."

As the latest blackout unfolded, many took to balconies and building windows to bang pots in protest and shout curses at President Nicolas Maduro, who they consider responsible for the power failures.

Others responded to a call by opposition leader Juan Guaido to demonstrate against the government, blocking roads and burning rubbish until "colectivos," or frequently armed government supporters, appeared to arrive on motorbikes. Some of the protests occurred near the Miraflores presidential palace in Caracas, in a direct challenge to Maduro.

The ongoing blackouts now mark another point of tension in a country paralyzed by political and economic turmoil, compounding a humanitarian crisis and deepening a prolonged standoff between two political parties vying for power.
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Today the power ration has been increased to 2.5KWH, and the chocolate ration has been increased to 20 grammes per week.
 
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This right here is the beginning of the end. Once the people can longer plug in, turn on, and drop out is when they look around and suddenly realize they've been robbed while they skipped out for beer during commercials. And without a TV set loudly playing soothing propaganda or a twitter feed telling them everything will be alright, the anger can no longer be subverted. I see heads rolling soon.
 

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Someone's certainly feeding the collectives, they're american-sized.
 

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I thought the government hasn't recognized the National Assembly in nearly two years
Technically speaking they have been declared "in contempt", the official AN doesnt have any kind of power here because the fake and gay congress of Maduro is the one that mostly call the shots, well called because thanks to Orange Hitler they dont have any money/cant do anything outside of Venezuela

Maduro's government is going to strip Guaido of parliamentary immunity.
In the end he could not do it, is just pure autistic screeching from the communists
 

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Technically speaking they have been declared "in contempt", the official AN doesnt have any kind of power here because the fake and gay congress of Maduro is the one that mostly call the shots, well called because thanks to Orange Hitler they dont have any money/cant do anything outside of Venezuela



In the end he could not do it, is just pure autistic screeching from the communists

Hey, good to see you again!
 

Cubanodun

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Why hasn't Maduro been able to arrest Guaido after all this time? Surely the loyalist military and collectivo are more powerful than the anti Chavista
That is a very weird question, people have been emboldened by the fact that Maduro absolute refuse to touch him, the only thing that he does is harassing him with boring shit, yesterday for example he came to my state, i was to busy playing Breath of the wild on CEMU (yeayy FPS++) because internet was still dead doing normie stuff so i did not go but apparently Maduro decide to being a annoyance and decide to stop him in a checkpoint for like 3 hours, when that did not work he decide to cut the power of the meeting site for like 5 hours but again it also did not work

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Still Guaido is not doing anything terrible the status quo is still there with only Pence, Bolton and Rubio bullying Maduro but besides that unless they send a Tomahawk of peace this will probably continue for a long time
 
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