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The Miami Herald, staffed by a bunch of people who fled Castro and hate the commies, have said it's not a coup. And they make a pretty good case.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/andres-oppenheimer/article229845514.html

When Venezuela’s National Assembly President Juan Guaidó announced a military uprising this morning, Venezuela’s dictatorship quickly branded it a “coup attempt.” But as Guaidó told me in an extended interview last week, there are several reasons why a rebellion against an unconstitutional regime can’t be called a “coup.”

Remember these facts when describing what happened in Caracas Tuesday morning, when Guaidó and opposition leader Leopoldo López — whom sympathetic soldiers freed from house arrest at dawn — went to a military base and declared the “final phase” of their effort to topple de facto president Nicolás Maduro:

First, Maduro became a full-blown dictator in January 2016, when he stripped the opposition-controlled National Assembly, Venezuela’s congress, of virtually all powers. In December 2015, the opposition won legislative elections by a landslide, despite Maduro’s use of massive state resources and press censorship to support his candidates.

Second, Maduro single-handedly stacked the National Electoral Council with cronies to prevent future opposition election victories. The new government-backed electoral body convened a sham election and created a substitute congress with hand-picked legislators, called the Constituent Assembly. In other words, Maduro usurped the constitutional powers of congress and created his own legislative power.

Third, Maduro re-elected himself to a new term in a fraudulent May 20 election, without allowing any credible international observers and after banning Venezuela’s top opposition leaders from running against him.

Fourth, Maduro illegally proclaimed himself president for a new full term in office on Jan. 10, 2019, despite international warnings that such a move would be unconstitutional.

Almost immediately, more than 50 world democracies — including the United States, Brazil, Colombia, Argentina and virtually all 28 members of the European Union — declared Maduro an illegitimate president and recognized National Assembly leader Guaidó as Venezuela’s interim leader, in charge of convening new elections.

In an interview last week, Guaidó told me that a military uprising to uphold the constitution was one of the main scenarios for the restoration of democracy in Venezuela. The other scenarios he cited were that Maduro would resign under pressure from anti-government demonstrations and foreign military intervention.

Asked about his military uprising scenario, Guaidó told me, “It would be a sui generis transition, much like happened in Venezuela in 1958.” In that instance, he said, “A group of Venezuelan military said, ‘No more!’ ”

On Jan. 23, 1958, members of Venezuela’s armed forces toppled dictator Marcos Pérez Jiménez. A transition government took office and held democratic elections that December, which President Rómulo Betancourt won. To this day, a huge Caracas neighborhood, Barrio 23 de Enero, is named after the day of Perez Jimenez’s ouster.

In the interview, Guaidó said he did not rule out “foreign backing or cooperation” to oust Maduro’s illegitimate regime. Asked whether that would not amount to a foreign intervention that would give propaganda ammunition to Maduro’s supporters, Guaidó told me — referring to the presence of Russian and Cuban military — “There is already a foreign intervention” in the country.

Guaidó said that Maduro “has often denounced [U.S.] interference and intervention, but it turned out that it has been Maduro who has facilitated not only the arrival of these two [Russian military] planes, but also the Cuban presence in intelligence and counter-intelligence activities.”

Two Russian military planes landed in Venezuela on March 24, carrying about 100 military personnel and 35 tons of their equipment. “It’s very serious, because foreign military aircraft arrived in Venezuelan soil without authorization from parliament, which is the only one that can authorize foreign military missions of any shape or rank in Venezuela,” Guaidó told me, referring to the National Assembly.

Asked how many Cubans he thinks are in his country, Guaidó said that their number has varied between 20,000 and 40,000, “including between 2,000 and 2,500 who are exclusively assigned to track and persecute” members of Venezuela’s armed forces.

About Mexico’s President Andrés Manuel López Obrador’s “neutrality” in Venezuela’s political crisis, Guaidó said that, “We expect more” from Mexico. He added that although Mexico “does not want to take a position on whether to support the Venezuelan constitution’s directive” allowing the president of the National Assembly to become interim president in charge of calling new elections, “We would at least expect their support for the cause” of democracy and human rights in Venezuela.

As I’m writing this, it’s not clear whether Guaidó’s military uprising will succeed or whether it will be crushed, its leaders arrested or even killed. But one thing is clear: A military rebellion against a full-blown dictatorship can be called many things, but calling it a “coup attempt” is wrong.
In other news Pompeo has said that 'military action is possible'

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/05/01/venezuela-crisis-pompeo-raises-possibility-military-action-guaido-maduro/3631409002/

WASHINGTON – Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Wednesday that U.S. military action "is possible" in Venezuela to bolster opposition leader Juan Guaido's bid to oust President Nicolas Maduro.

“The president has been crystal clear and incredibly consistent – military action is possible, if that’s what’s required – that’s what the United States will do,” Pompeo told FOX Business on Wednesday.

Pompeo's remarks appeared to mark an escalation of the Trump administration's rhetoric on Venezuela. Pompeo and other officials, including President Donald Trump, have said that "all options are on the table" but focused mostly on economic sanctions and other diplomatic tools.

"We are trying to do everything we can to avoid violence," Pompeo told FOX. "… We’d prefer a peaceful transition of government there where Maduro leaves and a new election is held.”

Pompeo on Tuesday said Maduro was ready to flee Venezuela but changed his mind after Russia persuaded him to stay.

“He had an airplane on the tarmac, he was ready to leave this morning as we understand it and the Russians indicated he should stay,” Pompeo told CNN on Tuesday evening. He said Maduro was headed to Cuba, a close ally of the socialist leader.

Maduro and Russian officials flatly denied Pompeo's account. "Mr. Pompeo, please, what lack of seriousness," Maduro said during a televised meeting.

Trump's national security adviser, John Bolton, told reporters at the White House Wednesday that Maduro would fall "by midnight" if not for the support of as many as 25,000 Cuban soldiers in Venezuela propping him up.

" ... if this afternoon 20-25,000 Cubans left Venezuela, I think Maduro would fall by midnight," Bolton said. "It's this foreign presence that sits on top of the military, sits on top of the government, that makes it impossible for the people's voice to be heard."

Bolton also said that several top officials in Maduro's regime, including his defense minister, Vladimir Padrino López, were in talks with the opposition and had planned to abandon the socialist leader. He said those officials failed to make good on that move but they remain possible defectors.

"I think Maduro is now surrounded by scorpions in a bottle and it’s only a matter of time," Bolton predicted.

The stepped-up U.S. pressure comes a day after opposition leader Juan Guaido called for a popular uprising and claimed the support of the military. In a video message on Tuesday, Guaido said he began the “final phase” of his plan to oust Maduro, and he called on the military to support him in his bid to end Maduro’s “usurpation.”

“The moment is now,” Guaido said in the three-minute video made at a Caracas air base, where he was surrounded by soldiers and accompanied by activist Leopoldo Lopez, his political mentor.

So far, only one high-ranking officer and a small group of soldiers have broken publicly with Maduro, according to the Associated Press.

But the situation remained fluid on Wednesday, as Guaido urged Venezuelans take to the streets for new mass protests.

Guaido has staunch support from the Trump administration in his bid to oust Maduro, and top U.S. officials, including Vice President Mike Pence, voiced support for Guaido's move to oust Maduro.
 
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Ghostse

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The Miami Herald, staffed by a bunch of people who fled Castro and hate the commies, have said it's not a coup. And they make a pretty good case.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/andres-oppenheimer/article229845514.html
This is one of those times when they are correct, being that you can't really have a coup against an illegitimate government. And socialist sympathizers are going to try to play word games to keep Maduro in power no matter how much of the country is still in the dark.
But at the same time, getting the military to remove someone from a government post they refuse to give up otherwise fits the lay definition of Coup, so it feels like splitting hairs.


Fuck. No no no keep us out of that shit hole. Unless its to hunt Ruskis and do nothing else.
 

Exceptional Mafioso

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The media have been trying real hard to scare people into thinking military action in Venezuela is a serious possibility.

For fucking real? This is not DEFCON 1. The worst thing you're going to see is "advisors" start showing up with US flag patches on their jackets. Then they'll go get shitfaced with the Russian "vacationers" and the Chinese "spies". Meanwhile Venezuelans will continue to kill Venezuelans and the powers that be can run scenarios and give the logistical teams some practice. After a while one of the factions will win and the suffering will continue.

By then we'll come up with a new reason to love/hate the new boss and maybe we can segway it into a decade or two of distraction.

*edit: grammar
 
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https://www.apnews.com/056d93e06fc146048be64fa0272bb5aa

7 Venezuelan military officers killed in chopper crash

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — Seven Venezuelan military officers were killed on Saturday when their helicopter crashed while heading to a state where President Nicolás Maduro appeared alongside troops, days after the opposition called in vain for a military uprising.
The Cougar helicopter hurtled into a mountain outside Caracas in the early hours of an overcast day in the capital. An investigation was underway.
The armed forces in a statement said the chopper was heading to San Carlos in Cojedes state. That’s near a military academy where Maduro appeared early Saturday to oversee training exercises following a week of intrigue that saw a small group of security forces turn against him in the failed attempt by opposition leader Juan Guaidó to overthrow the government.
On board the helicopter were two lieutenant colonels as well as five lower-ranking officers. The statement didn’t say if the chopper was part of the presidential delegation.
Also in Caracas on Saturday, a protester handed over a written appeal for the military’s support, but a Venezuelan policeman burned the document and let the ashes fall to the ground.
The armed forces “won’t be blackmailed or bought,” said a second officer standing nearby.
Benito Rodriguez fumed as he watched the events unfold.
“It’s a humiliation,” said Rodriguez, a demonstrator who had joined a crowd of about 150 protesters gathered near La Casona, a residence historically used by Venezuelan presidents.
The scene highlights the uphill battle now facing opponents of Maduro who have failed to persuade the country’s security forces to join efforts to oust the leader.

The critical role of the Venezuelan military in the country’s crisis was on display as Maduro tried to portray strength by joining troops at the military academy, while Guaidó attempted to woo the armed forces to his side by urging supporters to the streets.
National television showed Maduro wearing a camouflage hat as he shook hands and exchanged fist bumps with security forces during a visit to a military base before watching troops engage in a shooting exercise.
“Loyal forever,” Maduro bellowed to a crowd of cadets in green uniforms.

Guaidó, meanwhile, told backers to go to military garrisons to persuade forces to turn against Maduro, whose years in office have been marked by escalating hardship for most people in a country that was once one of the wealthiest in Latin America.
As demonstrators linked arms and moved toward police, protest leader Maria Suarez urged calm.
“Please, a lot of discipline,” she said.
Others broke the line and went forward to hand over printed documents, saying the military’s role in helping Venezuela emerge from an “unsustainable” situation is vital.
“They think it’s a joke. They don’t take us seriously. They’re not listening,” said demonstrator Andrea Palma after police burned the paper with a lighter.
Divisions among the protesters were evident as some young men from poor neighborhoods scoffed at a speaker who insisted that the gathering must be peaceful.
“It’s the frustration talking,” said demonstrator Mariajose Molina.
The latest displays of will come as the political standoff between Maduro and U.S.-backed Guaidó sinks deeper into a stalemate.
On Tuesday, Guaidó appeared outside a Caracas military base urged the military to overthrow his political rival.
As the leader of the opposition-controlled National Assembly waited, however, it became clear that his call had failed to rally armed forces to his side. Clashes between protesters and police then erupted, leaving five dead.
Maduro’s government has also shown signs of weakness and has not moved to arrest Guaidó, who the United States and over 50 other nations recognize as Venezuela’s rightful leader.
More than three million Venezuelans have left the country to escape a shrinking economy, hyperinflation and shortages of necessities such as medicine.
The opposition blames the sharp decline on state corruption, mismanagement and authoritarianism and says Maduro’s re-election last year was illegitimate. Maduro portrays Venezuela as a victim of U.S. antagonism toward the socialist principles championed by his predecessor, Hugo Chávez.
On Saturday, one protester looked on as the printed proclamation was burned. He then wished the policeman a nice day.
“See you later,” replied the officer before turning away.
 

Exceptional Mafioso

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Also in Caracas on Saturday, a protester handed over a written appeal for the military’s support, but a Venezuelan policeman burned the document and let the ashes fall to the ground.
Never trust the police.

You have some hope with the military, they're generally in it for more than power and revenge for schoolyard wrongs. The police will sell out immediately and turn their guns on the population every fucking time.
 

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Never trust the police.

You have some hope with the military, they're generally in it for more than power and revenge for schoolyard wrongs. The police will sell out immediately and turn their guns on the population every fucking time.
That's usually how it is in power struggles like this. That is until people smarten up and start fucking with their families in revenge. Nothing gets someone mind changed quicker than knowing your family is in the crosshairs of your stupid ass.
 

Cubanodun

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In a weird ass move, Maduro decide to get rid of that abomination we had called Exchange control law, he did it without any fanfare like he usually do

749078


What is the problem with this you ask? well this would have worked IF WE STILL HAD RESERVES , there are none so this is pointless, to little and to late
 

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Pompeo calls out Corbyn

LONDON (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said on Wednesday he was disgusted to see politicians in Britain, as well as in the United States, continue to support Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro.

Venezuela's President Nicolas Maduro speaks to soldiers during his visit to a military training center in El Pao, Venezuela May 4, 2019. Miraflores Palace/Handout via REUTERS
Responding to a reporter who asked about support for Venezuela’s government by Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of Britain’s opposition Labour Party, Pompeo was blunt in his criticism.

“It is disgusting to see leaders in not only the United Kingdom but in the United States as well who continue to support the murderous dictator Maduro,” Pompeo said at a news conference in London.

British foreign minister Jeremy Hunt, speaking at the same news conference, criticized Labour’s second-most senior official, John McDonnell, for supporting Maduro.


A Labour spokeswoman said the party’s position on Venezuela was to call for no foreign interference in the country.

“We oppose outside interference in Venezuela, whether from the U.S. or anywhere else: the future of Venezuela is a matter for the Venezuelans,” she said.

The leftist Venezuelan president has faced pressure to quit since taking office for a second term. Opposition leader Juan Guaido, calling Maduro’s 2018 re-election fraudulent, invoked the constitution in January to assume an interim presidency and has been recognized by the United States and most other Western nations as Venezuela’s legitimate leader.

Pompeo renewed his criticisms of Labour later on Wednesday when he was asked in a television interview whether Washington was seeking to interfere in the Latin American country.


“Yes, well, providing food for starving children isn’t interference. It’s what we do. It’s in our deepest traditions of humanitarian assistance,” he told Sky News.

“The interference has taken place. The Cubans are there. They have interfered. So I hope Mr Corbyn will ask the Cubans to cease their interference in Venezuela.”

Reporting by Guy Faulconbridge and Kate Holton; Writing by William Schomberg; Editing by Elisabeth O'Leary and Frances Kerry
 
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