Venezuela's collapse - Socialism. Socialism never changes.

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What i love the most from this whole situation is all the leftists i know blaming everyone except Maduro's goverment for this whole crisis, they always come with the "external forces don't want socialism/communism to work" excuse every single time a socialist/communist state collapses, they just can't admit that those goverments were destined to fail and/or their leaders are total exceptional individuals.
 

Ravelord

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It's funny, because the far-left Party (which is running for presidency) in my country used to compare their plan to Venezuela, and after the new spread, they stopped mentioning it and they deleted recent tweets about that. What a twist!

Of course, all their followers are also blaming other factors rather than the own government making stupid decisions.
 

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What i love the most from this whole situation is all the leftists i know blaming everyone except Maduro's goverment for this whole crisis, they always come with the "external forces don't want socialism/communism to work" excuse every single time a socialist/communist state collapses, they just can't admit that those goverments were destined to fail and/or their leaders are total exceptional individuals.
It's funny, because the far-left Party (which is running for presidency) in my country used to compare their plan to Venezuela, and after the new spread, they stopped mentioning it and they deleted recent tweets about that. What a twist!

Of course, all their followers are also blaming other factors rather than the own government making stupid decisions.
A lot of the current top Labour Party bods over here praised Venezuela to the rafters endlessly. They've been weirdly quiet since the wheels started coming off.
 

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@TrippinKahlua, @Jon-Kacho, @Allyouthosethefuck Else I just want you to know; from the bottom of my heart, if or when YournMilo's Daddy gets what you want for him; my only comfort in life will be that you'll get fucked just as bad as all the rest of myself and mypeople willbe, and the people of Chave-stan are-being currently.

Happy belated ¡Cinco de Mayo!
trump will gas everyone that spergs about circumcision
 
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A lot of the current top Labour Party bods over here praised Venezuela to the rafters endlessly. They've been weirdly quiet since the wheels started coming off.
The other thing that has not been talked about much is that some attribute the opening of Cuba to the fact that Venezuela may collapse and the US does not want 3 failed states in the western hemisphere. Haiti is bad enough. Add Venezuela and Cuba to that list and it creates a very bad scenario. Having Cuba as a failed state so close to the US border creates a real problem. Venezuela was the only thing propping up Cuba since the fall of the USSR.

http://time.com/3639939/venezuela-role-cuba-america-relations/

Even as recently as a few months ago, Venezuela is still purchasing large amounts of weapons from Russia and China. Go worst form of military socialism - Trading butter for guns during a food shortage.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/venezuela-buying-su30s-helicopters-et-al-from-russia-02472/

https://panampost.com/sabrina-martin/2016/02/28/venezuela-buys-weapons-as-food-shortages-become-the-norm/

Also in a funny twist Venezuela right now cannot afford to print its own money.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-27/venezuela-faces-its-strangest-shortage-yet-as-inflation-explodes

Apparently finding people outside Venezuela who will print its currency and accept payment in this currency are very very hard to find.

A good source for Venezuela news is Panampost.com. They have a lot of the stories you find in USA Today and other outlets released a week earlier.
 
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And now this. The military is in effect enforcing martial law. There had been an organized recall effort, but that has been put down.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-36339721

https://panampost.com/sabrina-martin/2016/05/19/venezuelan-government-militarize-major-cities-to-prevent-protests/

http://www.businessinsider.com/venezuela-political-economic-collapse-protests-2016-5

Maduro is now making it clear that he will not step down, and it may come to the military to decide if they will kill civilians or oust the Chavismos.

Let me stress that most militaries do not like the prospect of firing on their own citizens.

 
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Dr. Tremolo

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This is why you don't make a bus driver your president.
Lack of money, work, supplies and food. It's a perfect storm for unrest.

Maduro should consider what happened in Romania about 20 years ago before he stubbornly holds onto power.
The resemblance to Romania is uncanny. Ceaușescu's wife had a PhD in chemistry whilst not knowing what carbon dioxide is too.
 

DerSandstrom

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Unfortunately, Venezuela has made the same mistakes that the likes of Zimbabwe, the Soviet Union and countries of their ilk made repeatedly: They professed to "make everyone equal" and were "for the people", but in reality they were even more corrupt and incompetent than the people that ran the country before them.

Like Zimbabwe, they stripped arable land from capable farmers and gave the land to friends and family. Unsurprisingly, they had no idea how to farm anything. This is a major reason for the food shortages and people waiting hours in line to get bread and other necessities.

Like the Soviet Union, they instituted price and production caps on goods and services. Any budding entrepreneur would realize that it isn't worth his or her time to create, innovate, or develop new ideas, services or techniques to make the country more streamlined and efficient. What you get is a country that laid all of its eggs into one basket (oil) and, worse, they fell far behind other competing oil producers since their equipment was outdated and worn out from use.

This part is what kills me, though:

The collapse of the health-care system and the scarcity of medicine is costing lives every day. Psychiatric patients struggling with schizophrenia have to go without anti-psychotic meds. Tens of thousands of HIV-positive people struggle to find the anti-retrovirals they need, forcing them into the kind of stop-and-go treatment patterns that doctors warn risk bringing on AIDS. Cancer patients can’t find chemotherapy drugs. Even malaria—which had essentially disappeared from Venezuela a generation ago and is easily treatable with inexpensive medicines—is making a deadly comeback.
Guess that great Formula 1 team you fielded a few years ago was totally worth it, eh?
 

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Like the Soviet Union, they instituted price and production caps on goods and services. Any budding entrepreneur would realize that it isn't worth his or her time to create, innovate, or develop new ideas, services or techniques to make the country more streamlined and efficient. What you get is a country that laid all of its eggs into one basket (oil) and, worse, they fell far behind other competing oil producers since their equipment was outdated and worn out from use.
The Soviet's original industrialization was actually quite effective, assuming you place as little value on human life as men who worked as arsonists and assassins for a living before attaining ultimate power.

What really killed the country was their military industrial complex. The Soviets spent so long devoting most of their economy to military spending that the rest of their institutions were wasting into skeletons. Once the Cold War was put to bed, people lost patience with their government for their continued repressive measures, lack of compensation for such opression via improvement in quality of life, and lack of an exestential apocalyptic threat to justify the military's bloat and the people's anemia.

The Soviet volk also had just enough prosperity to know they were getting the shaft, while remaining screwed enough to be incapable of tolerating it. That's how Juche survived even after North Korea suffered the worst famine of the century in the 90s.
 

AN/ALR56

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Meanwhile in brazil...
The army commander, Gen. Eduardo Villas Boas, reacted angrily to the resolution of PT National Directory on Conjuntura approved last Tuesday, in which the party amid criticism of own performance and the government Dilma Rousseff, included a " mea culpa "for not having taken advantage of his 13 years in power for two measures relating to the armed forces: modify the curricula of military academies and promote officers with" democratic and nationalist commitment. "
"With this sort of thing, are planting a strong antipetismo in the Army," said the commander of the State, considering that the terms of Resolution PT _ not just the military _ "refer to the 1960 and 1970" and have a 'Bolivarian' tone, that is, similar to that used by Hugo Chavez regimes and now Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela and also in other countries of South America, such as Bolivia and Ecuador.

According to General Villas Boas, the Army, and Navy and Air Force, go through all this time of crisis strictly fulfilling its constitutional and professional role without manifest much less without trying to interfere in the political life of the country. He expects at least reciprocity. Besides him, officers of senior officers said they were incensed against the resolution of PT. There is intense exchange of phone calls in the military in the last two days.

Here is the paragraph PT resolution which angered the army, on page 4 of the document:

"We were equally careless with the need to reform the state, which would prevent the conservative sabotage the structures of command of the Federal Police and the Public Prosecutor's Office; modify the curricula of military academies; promote officers with democratic and nationalist commitment; strengthen the most advanced wing of the Foreign Ministry and dramatically resize the distribution of advertising dollars to the monopolies of information. "

comment Defesanet

The Party document Workers: Resolutions of the National Directory of Conjuntura, issued on May 17, 2016 is to be read with great care and attention meditated.

Among many statements we consider this one of the most relevant:

"The fact is we do not prepare for the current confrontation, to prioritize the pluriclassista pact which allowed the victory of former President Lula in 2002 and the consolidation of the government in the following years."

To understand the Party of the text of the Workers is essential reading matter of Luis Carlos Sour "Bolshevism Tardio" (Link)


Note Defesanet

The resolutions of the document National Directory on Conjuntura - May 17, 2016 (Access in Portal Defesanet)

Direct Download Party Port Workers' pdf
Resolutions of the National Directory of environment - May 17, 2016
http://www.defesanet.com.br/crise/noticia/22394/PT-irrita-Exercito/
The fact is we are not a dictatorship now because the rulling party in 13 years of rule failed to basically fill the goverment and army with their buddies so they could not be kicked out of power by any democratic means.
Venezuela sadly,they succeed.
 
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