Victor Mignogna v. Funimation Productions, LLC, et al. (2019) - Vic's lawsuit against Funimation, VAs, and others, for over a million dollars.

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On TCPA sure, but on #metoo? I highly doubt it.
The precedent that it sets for #metoo will be that you can't lie about someone and be totally immune to the consequences. They put all their hope of getting out of this unscathed in the TCPA, because they believed it would force Vic to pay all their legal bills. Already they've racked up massive legal bills beyond what Vic was ordered to pay. They were so confident of their retribution that they racked up ridiculously inflated legal bills, thinking that they could financially ruin Vic in addition to everything else they'd already done to him, and it came back to bite them hard instead.
 

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The precedent that it sets for #metoo will be that you can't lie about someone and be totally immune to the consequences. They put all their hope of getting out of this unscathed in the TCPA, because they believed it would force Vic to pay all their legal bills. Already they've racked up massive legal bills beyond what Vic was ordered to pay. They were so confident of their retribution that they racked up ridiculously inflated legal bills, thinking that they could financially ruin Vic in addition to everything else they'd already done to him, and it came back to bite them hard instead.

At the very least, it's one of a few cases that drives home the point that "believe women" bullshit doesn't mean you're immune from being questions/investigated.
 

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The precedent that it sets for #metoo will be that you can't lie about someone and be totally immune to the consequences. They put all their hope of getting out of this unscathed in the TCPA, because they believed it would force Vic to pay all their legal bills. Already they've racked up massive legal bills beyond what Vic was ordered to pay. They were so confident of their retribution that they racked up ridiculously inflated legal bills, thinking that they could financially ruin Vic in addition to everything else they'd already done to him, and it came back to bite them hard instead.
I think where @Kendrick is coming from is that this story has no reach. Anime news sites? A Dallas newspaper? Some no name lawyer on youtube? This does not affect metoo in the court of public opinion. It should give harlots and their Avenatti tier lawyers some pause before lobbing accusations, but none of them strike me as the type of people who engage in long term planning or researching their life choices.

It seems to me that metoo has had some steam taken out of it already which is good because I thought it was going to take a stack of bodies of the accused and accusers alike to stop this train. I'm glad to be wrong in this instance. It will still effect niche communities like people who watch cartoons and play vidya, but it seems like a lot of momentum is gone for now at least.
Wait, has Vic actually paid anything or is that yet to be decided?
Chupp dismissed under TCPA and awarded fees and sanctions. It is being appealed.
 

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Wait, has Vic actually paid anything or is that yet to be decided?
It was decided Vic will pay about 250k, but Lemon is trying to appeal that, and the whole dismissal is getting appealed by Vic. Until all appeals are done Vic doesn't have to pay a cent to the opposing counsel.
 
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I wonder how many of KV will off themselves if Vic wins the case.
Just kidding, they are way too cowardly in order to do that.
I think Sean and Sabat might do flips, especially the latter (although Sabat's blubber being on the level of TUG's wife might make that hard). Manjaw may or may not be assisted suicide by attacking a cop or something.
 
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Some may try, but they don't got the balls. It'll just end in them crying into their cock shaped pillows.

no, they will feign that the court screwed them and then move their mob onto the next person. Someone who has a lower profile and then work upwards.

This is their play, similar to a smart guy trying to get laid. Rather than going for a 10 straight up, they aim for a bunch of 3’s and then work upwards.

They underestimated Vic and the fans ability to rally fast, and so have been put on their ass.
 
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no, they will feign that the court screwed them and then move their mob onto the next person. Someone who has a lower profile and then work upwards.

This is their play, similar to a smart guy trying to get laid. Rather than going for a 10 straight up, they aim for a bunch of 3’s and then work upwards.

They underestimated Vic and the fans ability to rally fast, and so have been put on their ass.

Call me rainbows, but I'm still hoping they're stupid enough to follow that "broken staircase" list they made. You know, because Travis from Critical Role is in there. And if they think Vic's fans gave 'em hell... They got no fucking clue shat they're getting into with the CR fans, and specially Travis fans, that man is made out of pixie dust and happy thoughts, the fandom would go full "final solution" on their asses.
 

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Call me rainbows, but I'm still hoping they're stupid enough to follow that "broken staircase" list they made. You know, because Travis from Critical Role is in there. And if they think Vic's fans gave 'em hell... They got no fucking clue shat they're getting into with the CR fans, and specially Travis fans, that man is made out of pixie dust and happy thoughts, the fandom would go full "final solution" on their asses.
i'd love to see the fallout from that.

Then again, CR are pussies who apologized for playing a knockoff board game from wendies or some other fast food joint.
 
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Call me rainbows, but I'm still hoping they're stupid enough to follow that "broken staircase" list they made. You know, because Travis from Critical Role is in there.

You are mistaken.
Travis Willingham is not on this list (I don't know why people just don't read the list to see if someone is on there or not):

Voice Actors on The Broken Staircase List:
Vic Mignogna
Chris Niosi (supported KickVic)
Todd Haberkorn
Tom Wayland
Neil Kaplan (supported KickVic).

That's it.
 

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You are mistaken.
Travis Willingham is not on this list (I don't know why people just don't read the list to see if someone is on there or not):

Voice Actors on The Broken Staircase List:
Vic Mignogna
Chris Niosi (supported KickVic)
Todd Haberkorn
Tom Wayland
Neil Kaplan (supported KickVic).

That's it.
There needs to be a response document, a Shrieking Chorus, just listing the names and crimes of all the SJWs who went after Vic. That list needs to be circulated far and wide so people know not to buy anime they are involved in. I know most people would ignore it, but Funimation could not, if it's distributed the right way.

They use a program called MeltWater to track social media, when their voice actor's names pop up on Facebook / Twitter / forums, they know it and get reports on it. If a list was floating around, and if it was shared specifically in groups on Facebook then reshared on other forums using the link from Facebook, klaxons would start going off. They might actually be forced to find new talent.

Because Sony uses a different system called Veritone. It works mostly the same way, the difference is you can juke scores by keeping the conversation going over a sustained period, the longer the better. The reports they get from Veritone affect downstream distributor relationships, enough bad press about a certain title and it becomes harder to keep it on Netflix and other VOD platforms. I have some firsthand experience with this system, one of the features is the creation of something akin to actuarial tables that project the viewership of a title over time. At the very least, a continuous shitposting campaign across multiple platforms drives down negotiated margins on any titles where the entertainer's name appears (meaning the producer gets less money for the title.)

I have a couple virtual assistants in India, part of their job (unrelated to our work together) is just posting happy things about celebrities in the right places. They said what really screws with someone's reputation is when people call into radio shows to talk trash. There's another system called TV Eyes, it tracks broadcast shows word for word. They've explained the downstream affect to me a couple times, I barely understand the mechanics except it's bad, very bad for names to show up in their reports. Along with the transcript, they provide some metrics around the sentiment of the conversation. If someone's name is popping up on the radio in multiple languages, on different continents, and it's negative, that's like cancer to VOD distributors. They won't even talk to you.

It's been explained to me that Veritone and TV Eyes provide data that affects personalized recommendations in Netflix, Hulu and other platforms. Not suggesting anyone should do this, but a motivated group of individuals could actually end careers this way. The other thing that's been explained to me is when an entertainer's name appears frequently in conjunction with other very, very bad topics, like pedophelia, white slavery, anti-semetism, cannibalism, etc, these systems start to pick up on that as well. The bigger the platform, the greater the impact.

Fun stuff to think about. How's Vic doing these days?
 

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Because Sony uses a different system called Veritone. It works mostly the same way, the difference is you can juke scores by keeping the conversation going over a sustained period, the longer the better. The reports they get from Veritone affect downstream distributor relationships, enough bad press about a certain title and it becomes harder to keep it on Netflix and other VOD platforms. I have some firsthand experience with this system, one of the features is the creation of something akin to actuarial tables that project the viewership of a title over time. At the very least, a continuous shitposting campaign across multiple platforms drives down negotiated margins on any titles where the entertainer's name appears (meaning the producer gets less money for the title.)
If this is the case you'd think Marchi, Rial, and Sabat are already fucked by the system. I wish they were. Or that shitposting "Chris Sabat is a Nazi pedo white slaver cannibal who eats babies" everywhere would actually be enough to destroy his career.
 

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If this is the case you'd think Marchi, Rial, and Sabat are already fucked by the system. I wish they were. Or that shitposting "Chris Sabat is a Nazi pedo white slaver cannibal who eats babies" everywhere would actually be enough to destroy his career.
HTML editing is a thing, it could be done.
 

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If this is the case you'd think Marchi, Rial, and Sabat are already fucked by the system. I wish they were. Or that shitposting "Chris Sabat is a Nazi pedo white slaver cannibal who eats babies" everywhere would actually be enough to destroy his career.
It works a little differently from that. These systems measure influence, impressions and traffic don't mean much.

Statements like the one above would not be effective in tying him to the subject. There would need to be a batch of 30 - 40 "reasonable sounding" cannibalism articles quoting Chris Sabat as a source. They would need to be released over a few months, linked to multiple times from different people on social media sites, and shared periodically on other platforms using URLs that include the link from Facebook. It goes nuclear when people start calling into radio shows in England and Venezuela complaining about cannibalism form this monster Chris Sabat who works for Funimation. Bonus points if the person speaks clearly so that TV Eyes can pick it up.

MeltWater has a Content Marketing guide explaining the basics. Veritone works basically the same way, but they put greater emphasis on the length of conversation, the number of people involved, the frequency of posts including the keywords, that sort of stuff. The normal rules of SEO apply, don't post the identical article to 100 places, spin it and post similar ones. They don't need to be grammatically accurate, they need to have the name and be shared.

I don't suggest a group of people get together to do this, in a roundabout way it's the equivalent of what they did to Vic and it's wrong. But it does get into this interesting area of how you can influence the reputation of a celebrity. These systems assume there would be some kind of push-back if the celebrity was actually popular, the numbers are very cruel to those with no one to fight for them. Influence can be measured even in private groups on Facebook, anything that gets shared is available to their APIs. You could run whisper campaigns where the target has no clue what's happening.
 
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