Vocaloid and its Community - autistic slapfights over anime musical instruments

Pointless Pedant

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You had me scared with this one, but it was nothing after all. I thought he would wind up arrested or something like that.
LamazeP is incredibly prolific, some other notable contributions include "Triple Baka" and "Ai No Uta." He differs from many other producers in that he makes a lot of hit music and internet culture but does not act as an accessible producer or do stage appearances. For all the cash he'd make given his content, he's the quintessential internet weirdo. More on that a bit further down.
By no means is the idea of LamazeP being a lolicon "new," or is this the first song he's written on the subject. "I Want You" is almost as explicit. A more accurate translation of the description video quoted is that he decided to go "full lolicon," and in doing so got pure moe beamed into his head, as if to explain why the song's theming is more cute than his average song- not to say he's converted into one from not.

I'm not sure what people are expecting with Japan, but that's Tumblr for you. These are the same people still trying to come to terms with Lovecraft being a blatant racist in the current year and some change, even though he's long dead. Trying to protect LamazeP's legacy, like the idea he's just become a lolicon or able to cater to lolicons is new, it's adorably naïve.
By definition, people interested in Vocaloid are at least Otaku in some related interest, and many early Vocaloid producers (him included) are thoroughly rooted in denpa and moe culture, these are weird people, not normal Japanese musicians. If the music alone wasn't enough to tip you off, I mean. Liking the lolis in Japan is about as rare as being gay is everywhere else, and they have loli mags on some convenience store racks. I don't think I need to explain that the rest of the population has pretty strong feelings on this subject overall, not the ones you'd expect, or that Otaku are vastly overrepresented in that 4 to 13%. This is the arena you step into when you intrude on weird people's hobbies, and make no mistake, Vocaloid is in that camp, even if many in the West don't realize that's what they're doing.
While that tumblr post ruminates on LamazeP outing himself as a pedophile, the complete opposite spin is in play in Japan. There's a great deal of support for banning Lolicon and hentai in general over there, not mainly because of the content itself, but because they believe people who wank too much won't have sex- at all. Strictly the opposite concern, closer to the "nofap" shenanigans; far from fearing some illusory child rape production line, they're more concerned with declining birthrates and women being outcompeted by fantasies. In other words, most there don't view twisted Otaku as pedophiles so much as celibate, like hermits.
Cultural humility is important. It's better to simply reject Otaku culture outright ("fucking Japan and their weird nuke shit" is a valid position), rather than to try and pick and choose which bits you prefer. Conversely, you can as easily enjoy something without any effort to care about the identities and character of the people who created it, or to try and hurt those people when they fall outside the fraction you find to be acceptable.

I'm kind of surprised HachiP or Kikuo aren't in here anywhere, their songs are nuts. I suppose the art and the artist aren't so closely related after all.

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It's had a few new artists ascend into big name status as new producers or from relative obscurity (the aforementioned GHOST and Creep-P, both embroiled in controversy), and remains culturally relevant in Japan, but the fad in the US and Europe has died to a dull roar outside of these cases. Which makes it cow breeding grounds, naturally. Not unlike Otaku in Japan that this is splintered off of, an even smaller community is born, and it's way easier for the West's brand of trendy internet outcasts (in this case trannies and Tumblr trogs) to make a big splash if the pond is smaller than their morbid BSA.
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I had the thought that maybe particularly strange people are endemic to communities that have lost popularity. Small communities are too small to catch the crazies, but big communities that become small communities again do retain the hobbyists, now infested with the people crazy enough to stick around despite only having a social interest in the content (or because they have an unhealthy obsession with it).
Also Japan gets really hand-wringing over low fertility rates when they're not actually that low compared to some other countries. A lot of European countries are sitting at about that level, with Italy and Spain even lower at 1.3 compared to Japan's 1.4, but if Italian and Spanish people started moaning about everyone being a virgin because of weird cartoons people would just think they were crazy and explain what the demographic transition was. That's not to say there aren't Italian and Spanish losers sitting around cooming to porn too, but it's not something that preoccupies the national interest.

Aside from surveys of dubious accuracy I don't see any indication that Japan is actually more virginal than a lot of Europe, certainly not in actual measured fertility. South Korea on the other hand is really weird with a fertility rate of only 1 because of the ludicrous cost of child rearing there.

The "weird nuke shit" always seems odd to me because if you take the craziest 4-13% of America you get flat earthers and people who think the world is run by cannibal paedophiles. And so many troons.
 

Pointless Pedant

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Are you implying it's not? 🤔
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assigned stupid at birth

try and one up me again bitch
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The moment Creep-P revealed his face was when I lost any and all hope for the guy, as much as some of his music kinda bangs.

Cross posting from the Tacky Clothes thread since it's relevant:
This is from Twitter instead of Tumblr, but browsing this thread reminded me of this guy from the Western Vocaloid fandom. I've never heard of him before someone RT his post complaining about how people take photographs of him without permission. It seems to be a regular occurrence.

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Then again his fans fall over themselves to tell him how beautiful and brave he is.
Some examples of how beautiful and brave he is:

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Not sure if he still dresses like this, but it's certainly...a choice.
 

Pointless Pedant

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bout to call the FBI on anyone who makes rule 34 of her.
I seriously hope that's a joke. It's hard to tell on here but I wouldn't want to be the FBI agent who gets a bunch of idiots calling him up about some gross cartoons they didn't like.

Cartoons don't have an age, on account of not actually being real.
 

Acceptable

"C-CUM DUMPSTER?!"
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I seriously hope that's a joke. It's hard to tell on here but I wouldn't want to be the FBI agent who gets a bunch of idiots calling him up about some gross cartoons they didn't like.

Cartoons don't have an age, on account of not actually being real.
of course its a joke you retard. I could care less what these people jerk off to on their free time

it was a very poor reference to a dumb meme that was popular a while Ago
 

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probably a lesbian

because everyone's a lesbian these days
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It's worse than that. The song was based on Jani Schofield.
a remastered version came out (fairly) recently, actually. Crusher deleted the original version. i imagine that the original was created with good intentions, but it wasn't executed very well. and then the Schofields found it in 2013 and made more money off it. i believe the remastered version came out in either 2017 or 2019? Vocaloid Fandom page on the song.
 

Snusmumriken

Let’s go fill the Internet with crime, come on!
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The moment Creep-P revealed his face was when I lost any and all hope for the guy, as much as some of his music kinda bangs.
Agreed that some of his music kinda bangs, but the lyrics more make me want to bang my head into a door. I remember being tweens-teens when I started getting into Creep-P but only enjoying his music for like a month because I couldn’t ignore how garbage his attitude was towards his audience.

Regarding Kikuo, I actually really enjoy his music in terms of composition. I think he’s a genuinely creative person and not straining to be edgy like the aforementioned Creep-P, Ghost, Maretu etc. He seems like a decent guy on Twitter and on livestreams. Not all his music contains sensitive themes either; some of my favorites are Blue Cave, Darkness Festival and Chiri Chiri Juso (at least “everyone dies” is a bit brighter than a girl getting raped by her father and his friends.)

Anyways I’m glad this thread got started, although I wish we could have had it like a decade ago. Maybe it’ll be funner this way, rehashing old vocaloid community drama we had forgotten about and pointing and laughing about the new drama.
 

Cowboy Kim

Mecha-Mania Boy
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I think some content on MikuMikuDance would add a wealth of milk to the thread. MikuMikuDance sometimes has bitchfights over stolen models, assets, and "private models"
I forget who, but one prominent Megurine Luka model maker specifies in the license for their models that you can do whatever you want with it (even hentai shit) so long as she isn't shipped with a guy.
 

BroccoliBrain

my corpus callosum is green
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Page 3 and nobody's mentioned Vocaloid Ruby. tl;dr miscommunication between developers meant Ruby was unveiled with a design the fans were not expecting (looked like a shitty P!nk) and the entire fandom went into meltdown thinking that she was deliberately whitewashed.

Don't forget to mention Planty-P and the entire Western MMD community getting btfo everytime a Japanese creator tells them "no u cant rip my stuff"

Though, I'm gonna sound ungrateful for this thread but the new "milk" from Western fans is pretty weak and not worth documenting imo. It's just kids trooning out over non-conforming anime characters or Twitter cancelling shit, all of which you can find in the average modern fandom. The most lolcow worthy things this fandom has ever produced is not the shitty trans Miku memes but the long, decade-spanning history of plagiarism accusations, theft, cancelled projects, "donations" that go nowhere like a weeaboo money laundering scheme.

You could also cover Hentai-P, the admin of Utaforum and UTAU Wiki 2.0, he bitched out on the other farms over something and then vagueposted about them on his Twitter. For someone who's made himself the head of a major offshoot community that's pretty cowish.
yeah this is really scattered but I'm a little drunk right now
 

woowie queen

it's all about ethics and lollipops.
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I forget who, but one prominent Megurine Luka model maker specifies in the license for their models that you can do whatever you want with it (even hentai shit) so long as she isn't shipped with a guy.
montecore, that's montecore.
also, damesukekun (yep, the one that used to translate vocaloid songs) some years ago used to go around deviantart to kick the ass of who used to do illegal model edits with tda miku.
 

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