I wish I could have Kiwi-tier conversations about Vocaloid, but it seems everyone once interested in it here either graduated to suicide or would rather jerk off to feeder-recipient-on-protein-powder porn in 2020. If you do create anything, and it wouldn't dox you, upload it. It truly is the musical movement of the first half of the century.Has anyone experimented with the Vocaloid 5 engine? I'm thinking of getting it but I heard it has some crashing problems and a lot of good plugins were removed. I also see that you can't use Vocaloid 2 singers anymore. On the other hand it looks very simple to use and they made it so that pitch bending is easier...I also liked using Vocalistener.