I know there are some Tenno Kiwis out there.
Anyone want to link up and run some missions this weekend for shits a giggles?
I'm on PC btw.
Anyone want to link up and run some missions this weekend for shits a giggles?
I'm on PC btw.
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Warframe is a F2P video game that features a premium currency called platinum. This premium currency can be traded between players for items. For many people trading is part of the game, buying low and selling high. Third party markets (like https://warframe.market/) have been setup to facilitate this, complete order books and charts.
There has been a blow up over a player being charged back 4500 platinum (~$300 USD) over a trade with another player who was banned for platinum reselling (direct USD conversion). While the player got their item back, it seems they were then banned because they didn't bring their account out of negative balance quickly enough. Currently the player is banned and is not in a position to trade any items to bring their account out of negative balance. Customer support is stating they need to buy platinum directly from them to restore the account.
There is no indication that the player knew they were trading with a "bad account" and was only engaging in normal, fair trading.
The Trade
https://forums.warframe.com/topic/932744-negative-platinum-balance/ (https://archive.fo/BaAbB)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/85buxx/how_a_badfraudulent_trade_should_be_resolved/ (https://archive.fo/Cdfci)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/853kjm/be_careful_of_massive_trades/ (https://archive.fo/1e7sW)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/856liy/de_i_think_its_time_you_stop_punishing_the/ (https://archive.fo/1QzBE)
There has been a blow up over a player being charged back 4500 platinum (~$300 USD) over a trade with another player who was banned for platinum reselling (direct USD conversion). While the player got their item back, it seems they were then banned because they didn't bring their account out of negative balance quickly enough. Currently the player is banned and is not in a position to trade any items to bring their account out of negative balance. Customer support is stating they need to buy platinum directly from them to restore the account.
There is no indication that the player knew they were trading with a "bad account" and was only engaging in normal, fair trading.
The Trade
https://forums.warframe.com/topic/932744-negative-platinum-balance/ (https://archive.fo/BaAbB)
Hello ---Grand.Dutchess---,
Thank you for contacting us. You were found to have received a large amount of Platinum and/or gifts from a known black market Platinum re-seller, who has been permanently banned from the game for this activity.
Because the Platinum you received was fraudulently obtained, it was necessary to remove it from your account. For any gifts you might have received from the same player, the Platinum value for those gifts was removed from your account, but not the actual items you received.
We remind you that purchasing in-game items from other players for cash is a violation of the Terms of Use/EULA and your account could be banned from the game for doing so. You are being given another opportunity to play, however, because you did not have enough Platinum to cover the full amount that was removed, your Platinum balance is now in the negatives. In order to restore access to your account, you will need to purchase enough Platinum (from a legitimate source) to bring your balance out of the negatives.
You can check your own Platinum balance by visiting the Account Management page on the Warframe website. Simply log into the Warframe site and visit warframe.com/user (you can also click on your username in the top right corner and click on Account Management).
Additionally, we strongly suggest to avoid unbalanced trades or trades that appear to be "for free" as these are often connected to compromised accounts or other fraudulent activity. Unless the contest or giveaway is from an official Warframe partner, you cannot trust where the Platinum is coming from.
NOTE: As stated in our Terms of Use, you as the account holder are solely responsible for resolving the negative Platinum balance on your account.
Please also note that if you have made other black market transactions in the past, future investigations could result in those trades/gifts being reversed, and the Platinum value being removed from your account.
Thank you for your understanding.
Thank you for contacting us. You were found to have received a large amount of Platinum and/or gifts from a known black market Platinum re-seller, who has been permanently banned from the game for this activity.
Because the Platinum you received was fraudulently obtained, it was necessary to remove it from your account. For any gifts you might have received from the same player, the Platinum value for those gifts was removed from your account, but not the actual items you received.
We remind you that purchasing in-game items from other players for cash is a violation of the Terms of Use/EULA and your account could be banned from the game for doing so. You are being given another opportunity to play, however, because you did not have enough Platinum to cover the full amount that was removed, your Platinum balance is now in the negatives. In order to restore access to your account, you will need to purchase enough Platinum (from a legitimate source) to bring your balance out of the negatives.
You can check your own Platinum balance by visiting the Account Management page on the Warframe website. Simply log into the Warframe site and visit warframe.com/user (you can also click on your username in the top right corner and click on Account Management).
Additionally, we strongly suggest to avoid unbalanced trades or trades that appear to be "for free" as these are often connected to compromised accounts or other fraudulent activity. Unless the contest or giveaway is from an official Warframe partner, you cannot trust where the Platinum is coming from.
NOTE: As stated in our Terms of Use, you as the account holder are solely responsible for resolving the negative Platinum balance on your account.
Please also note that if you have made other black market transactions in the past, future investigations could result in those trades/gifts being reversed, and the Platinum value being removed from your account.
Thank you for your understanding.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/85buxx/how_a_badfraudulent_trade_should_be_resolved/ (https://archive.fo/Cdfci)
(EDIT: Love the conversation you guys are having here! Where has this community been all my gaming life...)
Let's say Sally Sell-A-Lot scores herself one sweet riven. I mean, this riven? It makes a Godroll look like moist ass. We're talkin' like +500% damage on a Lanka or something. This is the riven you need. So, of course, she's gonna sell that shit, and she's gonna sell it for a lot - which is good, since she's tapped out of plat right now. This will help her a lot. Sally busts her butt at this, you see, because she cannot buy platinum. (We won't go into why. This is an example, not character development for a novel, after all.)
So she lists on Trading channel, and before long, a guy by the name of TotallyLegitGamer comes along, offering to buy. No haggle. Sally's thrilled, does her due diligence as a saleswoman, and makes the sale. Riding that capitalistic high, she decides to give some of that back to DE so she can get some sweet Fashionframe goodies. After yakking a bit on Region and enjoying her night, she logs off and drags herself to bed. It was a long day, but hey - she was successful. She did good today, and she's happy about that.
Until she wakes up next morning and finds she can't log in.
~ ~ ~
We all know the rest of Sally's story by now. TotallyLegitGamer wasn't totally legit. He used fraudulent plat - in this case, plat he bought with a credit card, then charged back - and DE caught wind of it. Under current guidelines, Sally (who didn't do anything wrong and, quite frankly, never has) is ass out. She's gonna have to pay plat to get back to her game and her friends... and if you'll remember, in this example, she can't buy plat.
So we've lost a good player trying to get rid of a bad player, who's just going to come right back with a new account because F2P. But it CAN be different.
This is how pretty much every other game company who allows trading to occur between players handles the above example:
Look, DE, I appreciate your situation. For five years, you've been The Little Indie That Could. Well, you're not that anymore. You're The Little Indie That DID. You're officially A Big Deal Now™.
It's time to act like it. Hire a good PR person, and hire a good IS person. More if you need it.
But it's time to grow into those AAA developer shoes. It's time to do right by the victims of your own internal processes.
Let's say Sally Sell-A-Lot scores herself one sweet riven. I mean, this riven? It makes a Godroll look like moist ass. We're talkin' like +500% damage on a Lanka or something. This is the riven you need. So, of course, she's gonna sell that shit, and she's gonna sell it for a lot - which is good, since she's tapped out of plat right now. This will help her a lot. Sally busts her butt at this, you see, because she cannot buy platinum. (We won't go into why. This is an example, not character development for a novel, after all.)
So she lists on Trading channel, and before long, a guy by the name of TotallyLegitGamer comes along, offering to buy. No haggle. Sally's thrilled, does her due diligence as a saleswoman, and makes the sale. Riding that capitalistic high, she decides to give some of that back to DE so she can get some sweet Fashionframe goodies. After yakking a bit on Region and enjoying her night, she logs off and drags herself to bed. It was a long day, but hey - she was successful. She did good today, and she's happy about that.
Until she wakes up next morning and finds she can't log in.
~ ~ ~
We all know the rest of Sally's story by now. TotallyLegitGamer wasn't totally legit. He used fraudulent plat - in this case, plat he bought with a credit card, then charged back - and DE caught wind of it. Under current guidelines, Sally (who didn't do anything wrong and, quite frankly, never has) is ass out. She's gonna have to pay plat to get back to her game and her friends... and if you'll remember, in this example, she can't buy plat.
So we've lost a good player trying to get rid of a bad player, who's just going to come right back with a new account because F2P. But it CAN be different.
This is how pretty much every other game company who allows trading to occur between players handles the above example:
- The Game Company has what is called a "transaction server". This server records the interactions of players with other players, esp. regarding trades and finance. That's all it does. (It could be fancier but that usually requires a much larger budget than most indies can afford.) With some basic scripting the likes of which CodexBot has, said server kicks out "red flag" transactions - Sally's being one of them - to our loss prevention guy. (In this case, the specific scripting is a cross-check with Accounting's transaction records to see if anyone's bought plat, traded with it and then did a chargeback. This is just one of many ways such a system can work.)
- Our loss prevention person at The Game Company (we'll call him Lorenzo Lamas because that guy really needs work) sees this and is able to verify that, yeah, scummy TotallyLegitGamer is trying to get something for nothing.
- Lorenzo then shuts down TotallyLegitGamer's account first thing. He can try logging TLG's IP, but anyone who's ever worked IS can tell you it's probably not going to matter. Still, it's something he does, just in case.
- With TLG's account shut down, Lorenzo can work in peace to undo the scammer's actions. Working to a hot early 90s steel-guitar montage song, Mr. Lamas finds TLG's trade VICTIM (treating victims like accomplices is very very bad, DE!) and undoes the trade.
- Noticing this leaves Sally with a negative trade balance, he then undoes Sally's purchases, being careful to send an email to Sally's account to explain she was the victim of sales fraud and that everything has been set back to the way it was.
- Now when Sally logs back in, she'll see the trade has been undone. And she's probably gonna be sad. She might not even check her email (though she really should and it's not Lorenzo's nor TGC's fault that she didn't!), but the point is she can still log in.
Look, DE, I appreciate your situation. For five years, you've been The Little Indie That Could. Well, you're not that anymore. You're The Little Indie That DID. You're officially A Big Deal Now™.
It's time to act like it. Hire a good PR person, and hire a good IS person. More if you need it.
But it's time to grow into those AAA developer shoes. It's time to do right by the victims of your own internal processes.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/853kjm/be_careful_of_massive_trades/ (https://archive.fo/1e7sW)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/856liy/de_i_think_its_time_you_stop_punishing_the/ (https://archive.fo/1QzBE)
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Warframe is one of the fairest games when it comes to this mechanic. I have a end-game account and I only spent $15 (for item slots), and that was before I knew how easy and profitable trading the market could be.Weird, almost like 99% pay to win crap is a scam.
unclestryker
kiwifarms.net
Weird, almost like 99% pay to win crap is a scam.
The secrete about dat game is something called relics, I know I got all my prime shit thru through dat rout. The mods are something that I have extreme dislike for. Meaning from my experience it was a straight grind.
---Grand.Dutchess---
kiwifarms.net
Thank you for the support.
This is why I don't trust ludicrous prices players put on rivens. I'm on console where the plat exchange rate is on the lower end, and I wouldn't touch that Scoliac riven with 200% range and 92% crit chance on slide attack for 1000 - 2500 plat.
Did this ever get resolved?
---Grand.Dutchess---
kiwifarms.net
By DE? No. Someone I know helped out with the money. Nor is DE responding to any new tickets I have issued on other matters. 11 days and counting for a ticket.
As much as I love this game, that's just heartbreaking.
That sucks, especially in a game that's primarily a grind/time sink you'd think they'd treat player accounts with a bit more seriousness.
Enjoy Warframe!
They're not ninjas, because NINJAS PLAY FREE.
Honestly I personally think the user in OP is guilty. Their original story is sketchy as fuck, and I was watching the original thread and a few users pointed out some good reasons why people should be skeptical.
They're not ninjas, they're badly animated angsty teenagers!
KingPoisson
kiwifarms.net
Fortuna isn't that good.
KingPoisson
kiwifarms.net
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