Warhammer 40k -

[Caddchef]

So, let me see if I get this right.

"Space knights, blue with gold trim" = generic and uninteresting

"literally just some Russian dudes/brits from the 1880s, but with ray guns" = totally original and they hypeist shit ever.

How are you not getting this? In the spirit of facetious hyperbole, yes.

A distinction without a meaningful difference, and in the case of the vast, vast majority of the books, entirely wrong.

The vast majority of black library novels are space marine wankery written by no talent hacks, so no surprise there then.

Sure, it could be, but it also might be an expensive bomb, and companies don't like risk. Given that other factions that get newer models and more support have yet to topple marines from their position, your position that they could do so if only GW threw yet more resources into them and this time it will work seems ill-founded

Not saying that GW should abandon Space Marines, i'm arguing that if GW hadn't pushed a decade of Space Marine bias onto their IP maybe their other lines would be just as successful.

And Calgar's model was just as old, as were the ones for like half the marine special characters, and both of them have gottten new ones made recently. Your point?

And Horus didn't choose Abbadon to lead the black legion, Horus had been dead for centuries by the time no-arms got around to founding the legion. I'm starting to doubt that whole "no, I've been playing since 2e" claim of yours.

Abbaddon was first captain of the Sons of Horus and one of four members of Horus' super secret club/ council.

And which Calgar model are we talking here? Because there have been three in the same period Abbaddon had one.

For the record even if i didn't play in 2nd ed. my points are no less valid.

Sure you did. Every army's players always say they have the crappiest and oldest models and need an update, and you're all full of shit since you're not the SoB players, who actually have the claim to that title.

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Seriously though, 2nd ed. metals are better than 3rd ed. plastics.

P.s. i don't play Chaos either.

P.P.S. careful, you're getting a bit mad on the internet.

 

[Ted_Breakfast]

The IG do still kick everything else's ass. An IG gunline made of tanks and Guardsmen is still the scariest thing in 40K, this is coming from someone who runs Tyranids, GC, Daemons and Primaris.

 

[Tranhuviya]

IG and Chaos need a serious update to their "core armies", yeah. For IG, Guilliman undertaking reforms in his capacity as Lord Commander could be used to explain changes to the range. As for Chaos, just say the Dark Gods are doing the best they can to empower existing champions and raise new ones to snuff out the hope of the Imperials. The latter is sort of what GW is doing now with Chaos.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

For IG, Guilliman undertaking reforms in his capacity as Lord Commander could be used to explain changes to the range\

Well he is every Guardsman's spiritual liege after all.

 

[Tranhuviya]

Well he is every Guardsman's temporal liege after all.

FTFY

 

[Polyboros2]

Space Marines are the John Cena of 40k.

And by that I mean a specific thing. I believe most fandoms have a John Cena. An element to the game that is especially marketable, but to a wider audience that is less invested. The people really involved get tired of the popular, profitable character being pushed all the time, not because they hate that character, but because they are so invested in the media that they get tired of it, because it is repeated very frequently to them.

Broly is Dragon Ball's John Cena. Jace is Magic the Gathering's John Cena. Space Marines are 40k's.

I know all don't match my description (case could be made Goku is DB's John Cena), but that's what I call it when there is a quiet majority that likes a character, that they very invested fandom loathes for it's over usage.

 

[Burned Man]

For IG, Guilliman undertaking reforms in his capacity as Lord Commander could be used to explain changes to the range.

I could see Guilliman standardizing the IG like he tried to do with Space Marines. You take all the homeless Cadians and turn them into drill sergeants and set up training planets and take some guardsmen from Catachan, Tallarn, and Valhalla for environmental survivalist training. That way when the Munitorum comes looking for the nearest meat to shove into the grinder it isn't taking a bunch of guys from Catachan who don't know what snow or sleeves are and throwing them on to an ice world.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Space Marines are the John Cena of 40k.

And by that I mean a specific thing. I believe most fandoms have a John Cena. An element to the game that is especially marketable, but to a wider audience that is less invested. The people really involved get tired of the popular, profitable character being pushed all the time, not because they hate that character, but because they are so invested in the media that they get tired of it, because it is repeated very frequently to them.

Broly is Dragon Ball's John Cena. Jace is Magic the Gathering's John Cena. Space Marines are 40k's.

I know all don't match my description (case could be made Goku is DB's John Cena), but that's what I call it when there is a quiet majority that likes a character, that they very invested fandom loathes for it's over usage.

Guilliman is a Mary Sue of the highest order on top of that though and Ultramarines have been writers' pets for ages.

 

[Ted_Breakfast]

Guilliman is a Mary Sue of the highest order on top of that though and Ultramarines have been writers' pets for ages.

Ultramarines appear to be involved in every ongoing struggle in the 40k universe, which should be physically impossible. It would blow my mind if they made a boxed set with Carcharodons or Novamarines, they're out risking their asses just as much as the UM, but you'd never know it.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Ultramarines appear to be involved in every ongoing struggle in the 40k universe, which should be physically impossible. It would blow my mind if they made a boxed set with Carcharodons or Novamarines, they're out risking their asses just as much as the UM, but you'd never know it.

There's only 1,000 of them, right?

Remember when a lot of the promotions were focused on the player making their own army and they'd pick out different obscure ones in the fluff just for examples and ideas? Like when the face of Chaos for the product catalog was the Red Corsairs instead of the Black Legion?

 

[Ted_Breakfast]

There's only 1,000 of them, right?

I almost commented the same thing, but I just knew some ass would be able to provide something like, "Well actually in Volume 3 of Guilliman's Bogus Journey on audiobook, voice actor Terrance Stamp clearly states that current recruiting methods have temporarily placed Ultramarine numbers at 1280, so it makes sense they're everywhere at once."

 

[Ow The Edge]

Looks like Armless the Harmless finally has his new lease on life.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

I almost commented the same thing, but I just knew some ass would be able to provide something like, "Well actually in Volume 3 of Guilliman's Bogus Journey on audiobook, voice actor Terrance Stamp clearly states that current recruiting methods have temporarily placed Ultramarine numbers at 1280, so it makes sense they're everywhere at once."

Which is damn irritating, because they're not the Black Templars or Space Wolves (who canonically have thumbed their noses at the chapter-size restrictions for a long time).

Heck, bring in the Iron Snakes, those were interesting (Greek rather than Roman themes, and a chapter structure built along small-unit tactics; instead of 'ten companies' you had the 'hundred squads').

 

[Medicated]

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Looks like Armless the Harmless finally has his new lease on life.

I'm not usually one to complain about realism, but that seems like the most impractical armor and weapon combination I've ever seen.

 

[Caddchef]

I've always thought his powerclaw was a bit redundent as he wields a deamonsword that cuts through literally anything.

 

[Second_Missing_Primarch]

Ultramarines appear to be involved in every ongoing struggle in the 40k universe, which should be physically impossible. It would blow my mind if they made a boxed set with Carcharodons or Novamarines, they're out risking their asses just as much as the UM, but you'd never know it.

I would absolutely stab a bitch for a Carcharodons box set. They're one of my favorite chapters.

Which is damn irritating, because they're not the Black Templars or Space Wolves (who canonically have thumbed their noses at the chapter-size restrictions for a long time).

Heck, bring in the Iron Snakes, those were interesting (Greek rather than Roman themes, and a chapter structure built along small-unit tactics; instead of 'ten companies' you had the 'hundred squads').

I think the Codex Astartes ideal of 1,000 Marines per chapter has always been kind of an "in theory" thing rather than an "in practice" thing. As you pointed out, some chapters just don't give a fuck about the Codex, while other chapters are chronically understrength because of heavy casualties or issues with their gene-seed (Carcharodons, Lamenters, Raven Guard, Flesh Tearers, etc). Moreover, I think that most of the Codex-compliant chapters are technically overstrength anyway, since they usually have extra specialist Marines on hand to maintain their fleets and motor pools and archives and so forth. Even the Smurfs aren't strictly Codex-compliant, since they have the Tyrannic War Veterans operating as a separate unit, the Genesis Chapter effectively acting as a reserve pool, and now an 11th Company formed by Rowboat himself.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

I would absolutely stab a bitch for a Carcharodons box set. They're one of my favorite chapters.



I think the Codex Astartes ideal of 1,000 Marines per chapter has always been kind of an "in theory" thing rather than an "in practice" thing. As you pointed out, some chapters just don't give a fuck about the Codex, while other chapters are chronically understrength because of heavy casualties or issues with their gene-seed (Carcharodons, Lamenters, Raven Guard, Flesh Tearers, etc). Moreover, I think that most of the Codex-compliant chapters are technically overstrength anyway, since they usually have extra specialist Marines on hand to maintain their fleets and motor pools and archives and so forth. Even the Smurfs aren't strictly Codex-compliant, since they have the Tyrannic War Veterans operating as a separate unit, the Genesis Chapter effectively acting as a reserve pool, and now an 11th Company formed by Rowboat himself.

I seem to also recall that Guilliman wasn't exactly thrilled with the Marines treating the Codex as holy writ as opposed to a primer on operations. I suspect if he gets the chance to revise the Codex, the frontispiece will look something like the saying from the U.S. Army's Ranger School: 'Here lie the bones of Ranger Jones, a graduate of this institution. He died last night in his first firefight using the school solution.'

 

[Second_Missing_Primarch]

I seem to also recall that Guilliman wasn't exactly thrilled with the Marines treating the Codex as holy writ as opposed to a primer on operations. I suspect if he gets the chance to revise the Codex, the frontispiece will look something like the saying from the U.S. Army's Ranger School: 'Here lie the bones of Ranger Jones, a graduate of this institution. He died last night in his first firefight using the school solution.'

He was indeed kind of annoyed by that, which is why he's been rewriting and reworking it since he woke up, and generally encouraging his sons to think for themselves and not be slaves to his writing. He's not wrong, either, considering the Ultramarines got righteously fucked up by Hive Fleet Behemoth specifically because the Codex didn't have any tactical advice regarding "giant hordes of eaty space bugs". They were so reliant on it that they had no idea what to do until after the 1st Company had been obliterated and Calgar had lost all his limbs fighting the Swarmlord.

 

[exball]

That 10000 year old boomer

 

[Male Idiot]

Eh Chaos has been getting regular updates recently.