Was the "Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan" a good treaty? - Its a long read

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Was the "Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan" a good treaty?

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  • No, because it wasn't good enough for America

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  • No, because it was more than America deserved

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  • Maybe, depends on what happens in Afghanistan

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  • Maybe, depends on what China does now that we left

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  • Maybe, depends on what happens in America

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  • Yes, because it gave America peace with honor

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Haim Arlosoroff

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A comprehensive peace agreement is made of four parts:
  1. Guarantees and enforcement mechanisms that will prevent the use of the soil of Afghanistan by any group or individual against the security of the United States and its allies.
  2. Guarantees, enforcement mechanisms, and announcement of a timeline for the withdrawal of all foreign forces from Afghanistan.
  3. After the announcement of guarantees for a complete withdrawal of foreign forces and timeline in the presence of international witnesses, and guarantees and the announcement in the presence of international witnesses that Afghan soil will not be used against the security of the United States and its allies, the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban will start intra-Afghan negotiations with Afghan sides on March 10, 2020, which corresponds to Rajab 15, 1441 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Hoot 20, 1398 on the Hijri Solar calendar.
  4. A permanent and comprehensive ceasefire will be an item on the agenda of the intra-Afghan dialogue and negotiations. The participants of intra-Afghan negotiations will discuss the date and modalities of a permanent and comprehensive ceasefire, including joint implementation mechanisms, which will be announced along with the completion and agreement over the future political roadmap of Afghanistan.

The four parts above are interrelated and each will be implemented in accordance with its own agreed timeline and agreed terms. Agreement on the first two parts paves the way for the last two parts.

Following is the text of the agreement for the implementation of parts one and two of the above. Both sides agree that these two parts are interconnected. The obligations of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban in this agreement apply in areas under their control until the formation of the new post-settlement Afghan Islamic government as determined by the intra-Afghan dialogue and negotiations.

PART ONE

The United States is committed to withdraw from Afghanistan all military forces of the United States, its allies, and Coalition partners, including all non-diplomatic civilian personnel, private security contractors, trainers, advisors, and supporting services personnel within fourteen (14) months following announcement of this agreement, and will take the following measures in this regard:
A. The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will take the following measures in the first one hundred thirty-five (135) days:​
1) They will reduce the number of U.S. forces in Afghanistan to eight thousand six hundred (8,600) and proportionally bring reduction in the number of its allies and Coalition forces.​
2) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will withdraw all their forces from five (5) military bases.​
B. With the commitment and action on the obligations of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban in Part Two of this agreement, the United States, its allies, and the Coalition will execute the following:​
1) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will complete withdrawal of all remaining forces from Afghanistan within the remaining nine and a half (9.5) months.​
2) The United States, its allies, and the Coalition will withdraw all their forces from remaining bases.​
C. The United States is committed to start immediately to work with all relevant sides on a plan to expeditiously release combat and political prisoners as a confidence building measure with the coordination and approval of all relevant sides. Up to five thousand (5,000) prisoners of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban and up to one thousand (1,000) prisoners of the other side will be released by March 10, 2020, the first day of intra-Afghan negotiations, which corresponds to Rajab 15, 1441 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Hoot 20, 1398 on the Hijri Solar calendar. The relevant sides have the goal of releasing all the remaining prisoners over the course of the subsequent three months. The United States commits to completing this goal. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban commits that its released prisoners will be committed to the responsibilities mentioned in this agreement so that they will not pose a threat to the security of the United States and its allies.​
D. With the start of intra-Afghan negotiations, the United States will initiate an administrative review of current U.S. sanctions and the rewards list against members of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban with the goal of removing these sanctions by August 27, 2020, which corresponds to Muharram 8, 1442 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Saunbola 6, 1399 on the Hijri Solar calendar.​
E. With the start of intra-Afghan negotiations, the United States will start diplomatic engagement with other members of the United Nations Security Council and Afghanistan to remove members of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban from the sanctions list with the aim of achieving this objective by May 29, 2020, which corresponds to Shawwal 6, 1441 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Jawza 9, 1399 on the Hijri Solar calendar.​
F. The United States and its allies will refrain from the threat or the use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Afghanistan or intervening in its domestic affairs.​
PART TWO
In conjunction with the announcement of this agreement, the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban will take the following steps to prevent any group or individual, including al-Qa’ida, from using the soil of Afghanistan to threaten the security of the United States and its allies:
  1. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban will not allow any of its members, other individuals or groups, including al-Qa’ida, to use the soil of Afghanistan to threaten the security of the United States and its allies.
  2. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban will send a clear message that those who pose a threat to the security of the United States and its allies have no place in Afghanistan, and will instruct members of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban not to cooperate with groups or individuals threatening the security of the United States and its allies.
  3. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban will prevent any group or individual in Afghanistan from threatening the security of the United States and its allies, and will prevent them from recruiting, training, and fundraising and will not host them in accordance with the commitments in this agreement.
  4. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban is committed to deal with those seeking asylum or residence in Afghanistan according to international migration law and the commitments of this agreement, so that such persons do not pose a threat to the security of the United States and its allies.
  5. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban will not provide visas, passports, travel permits, or other legal documents to those who pose a threat to the security of the United States and its allies to enter Afghanistan.
PART THREE
  1. The United States will request the recognition and endorsement of the United Nations Security Council for this agreement.
  2. The United States and the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban seek positive relations with each other and expect that the relations between the United States and the new post-settlement Afghan Islamic government as determined by the intra-Afghan dialogue and negotiations will be positive.
  3. The United States will seek economic cooperation for reconstruction with the new post-settlement Afghan Islamic government as determined by the intra-Afghan dialogue and negotiations, and will not intervene in its internal affairs.
Signed in Doha, Qatar on February 29, 2020, which corresponds to Rajab 5, 1441 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Hoot 10, 1398 on the Hijri Solar calendar, in duplicate, in Pashto, Dari, and English languages, each text being equally authentic.
 

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  • A permanent and comprehensive ceasefire will be an item on the agenda of the intra-Afghan dialogue and negotiations. The participants of intra-Afghan negotiations will discuss the date and modalities of a permanent and comprehensive ceasefire, including joint implementation mechanisms, which will be announced along with the completion and agreement over the future political roadmap of Afghanistan.
Strict temporary disarmament can be pretty unfair. Especially when you have massive prisoner releases and not much time to get everyone on the same page. The requirement for a ceasefire is not explicit, but it leaves the door cracked in the event that posturing becomes advantageous. "How can we trust you when you talk about ceasefire? The fighting still hasn't stopped, maybe your troops didn't know you were trying to broker a peace agreement." That sort of shit.

Lightning round:
1. US doesn't recognize them as a state, and has discretion to categorize a person as a member of the Taliban pretty much at their leisure. The agreement shouldn't be binding, but on the other hand it could be a bunch of CIA agents in beards agreeing to the conditions of their own control over Afghanistan. Designate a bunch of 'assets' Taliban, then make them point of contact for peace negotiations. Alternatively, maybe the deception is the Saudi Expeditionary Army has been granted control of Afghanistan by the US as a way to pay off some debt.
2. The use of soil better refer to the literal opium grown in the fucking soil. Otherwise, its just junk and a gotcha clause. This justifies a level of surveillance that will always be able to locate an enemy of the US within the country. Based on UN terrorism classifications there are people who are "objectively terrorists," which will always present a danger to their negotiations.
3. Requiring negotiations after the troop withdrawal is just coordinating the media stunt. Its kind of insulting, but not a dealbreaker.
4. Already covered.

2.3-2.5 Sounds so pathetic. Don't ever come near me or my son again, don't even @ him on twitter.

Part 3 sort of sounds like it doesn't really matter, but I could be a little too cynical. If the offers are genuine and the concessions are responded to as though they are sincere by the UN, I think it is overly generous. The problem with the offer is that the US has veto power, the UN has been softening on Islam generally speaking in recent years, and China has been the big issue lately. No matter how much the Taliban get out of the UN, it is all going to rely on continued cooperation by the US as a member of the UN. Its kind of like telling a fledgling country they have to pay their dues as a part of some fucking horrible bureaucracy.
But, other than telling them to eat shit, they are asking for very fucking little.

China got the reconstruction contract, basically. Military Industrial Complex was outbid and outbid by a lot. Taliban working with the Chinese is of substantial concern for many reasons, but the US doesn't seem to be in a position to prevent that outcome to begin with. Taliban getting an opportunity to further shame UN member countries about their islamophobia is a slight wink in the direction of a US learning to respect Islam. I'd love to know more, to be honest. Maybe Chinese Reconstruction comes with a free, very hidden, very advanced missile defense system. The US may have defeated the Taliban, weakened ISIS, cornered Assad, disintegrated the Kurds, and made Iraq a pointless country, but they didn't win the war. Iraq won't fight China for us and they know we won't fight China for them. The Taliban as well, seem more afraid of them than the US.

My goodness, can you guys imagine ASIA as a unified power?

Anyway, I rate this agreement 10 "fabricate claims" out of 10