Disaster ‘We Don't Know a Planet Like This': CO2 Levels Hit 415 PPM for First Time in 3 Million+ Years - Bring your scuba gear

Fun fact, more rainforest is destroyed for farming than for logging. Logging areas while planting trees is sustainable, if the soil can sustain that.
This is a good point. Fucking assholes would rather eat than enjoy those beautiful trees? Although I think it was more a consequence of poor planning than actual need for that specific farmland. Still very understandable on the individual level, just like with people illegally logging and poaching, but a problem in the bigger picture.
 
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I really wish that environmental protections were a bi-partisan issue. It's bizarre to me that Republicans don't lean on preserving uniquely American natural systems as a source of national pride. It could do a lot of good.
When those systems means the town that relies on logging for its entire economy up in washington needs to shutdown to save one shitty owl dying out regardless of their efforts and turn to meth production as their new economic base you get Republicans going against it. Few Republicans want to eliminate all nature preserves or do not like the environment at all. They just dont worship nature like the watermelons do.

This is a good point. Fucking assholes would rather eat than enjoy those beautiful trees? Although I think it was more a consequence of poor planning than actual need for that specific farmland. Still very understandable on the individual level, just like with people illegally logging and poaching, but a problem in the bigger picture.
The tradition of slash and burn subsistence farming and migratory farming is what causes more burning. If they grow cash crops like palm oil and modern techniques they need far less land to do so. However, that gets boycotted as evil corporations and if it succeeds they go back to slash and burn.
 
The tradition of slash and burn subsistence farming and migratory farming is what causes more burning. If they grow cash crops like palm oil and modern techniques they need far less land to do so. However, that gets boycotted as evil corporations and if it succeeds they go back to slash and burn.
It's hard to fix cultural issues... And in a sense I understand the thinking of "Who the hell are we to tell other people how to live". I don't want some foreign power dictating to me that my way of life is stupid and causing problems. But what if my way of life is stupid and causing problems? Sometimes its necessary, like with stopping certain funeral rituals to stop the spread of ebola, and it can be done, but we generally don't have the will or consistency to do it for other stuff.
 

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It's used to deflect any other conversation, since, if the world is ending in 12 years, shouldn't that override pretty much everything? And yeah, if it were at all legit, you'd think it would. Yet the dems are content to talk about it twice a year or so, and are more concerned with abortion.
We definitely don't need to be sending all that aid and development money to third world shit holes if none of it is going to be there in a decade. Surely all that money would do wonders for development of atmospheric carbon capture and carbon neutral energy production right?
 

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It's hard to fix cultural issues... And in a sense I understand the thinking of "Who the hell are we to tell other people how to live". I don't want some foreign power dictating to me that my way of life is stupid and causing problems. But what if my way of life is stupid and causing problems? Sometimes its necessary, like with stopping certain funeral rituals to stop the spread of ebola, and it can be done, but we generally don't have the will or consistency to do it for other stuff.
Well its actually relatively easy here. You offer them a more marketable cash crop to grow or hire them as workers for a company and provide the economic incentives to change. Brazil is doing this now.


But if you ask environmentalists about it they will screech and hate it. People have to work somehow to live though, and this is a better way of doing that.
 

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It's kind of funny. Most environmentalists tend to be hideously bad at representing and advancing their cause. Same with feminists. Or animal rights activists. Or... fuck, take your pick. Even the 2A folks have noisy exceptional individuals among them and that's a cause I'm pretty much behind 110 percent.
 

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It's kind of funny. Most environmentalists tend to be hideously bad at representing and advancing their cause. Same with feminists. Or animal rights activists. Or... fuck, take your pick. Even the 2A folks have noisy exceptional individuals among them and that's a cause I'm pretty much behind 110 percent.
Animal rights activists and environmentalists are often watermelons (green on the outside, communist on the inside) and thats where the real priorities are or subscribe to a policy of "well we have to do something!" Or "Anything is better than nothing." In regards to actions and policies.
 

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The green new deal is a textbook example of it. Its an environmentalist bill that has vastly more to do with wresting control of the economy into direct planned socialism not environmentalism.
Better Dead Than Red makes for great Cold War propaganda, but doesn't really fly as environmental policy. The Green New Deal, despite being a leftist wet-dream, served its purpose...now people are talking about what CAN be done, even Republicans, who are also discovering "YOLO" is not a popular or viable policy platform--especially among younger voters.

This shouldn't even be a partisan issue tbh, but as on healthcare only the left seems to be tsking charge on this shit. Personally I think we're fucked either way but there's no reason not to try.
 

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Oh I know about Co2 emissions in regards to India (Though China, as of 2018, emits more Co2 than The US and the EU combined. https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2018/07/01/china-emits-more-carbon-dioxide-than-the-u-s-and-eu-combined/#2edae0c9628c)

But I didn't mean Co2 overall. Overproduction of cheap plastics, and other industrial wastes due to the extremely inefficient industrial processes third world countries have. The reason climate change wolf criers annoy me so much is because they ignore very real environmental issues in favor of this, 'Earth getting warmer we're all gonna die' shit.

The plastic build up in the oceans and toxic industrial waste dumps building up around the planet are far more concerning to me than increasing temperatures. Which can be damaging, but is also nothing compared to other shifts the planet goes through. Did you know the Sahara desert in Africa is luscious and green every 25,000 years or so? Things like this shift. The ocean is far more concerning. 70% of our oxygen comes from undersea plants. Without them, Co2 won't be changed into oxygen nearly as much, making any climate shifts far worse. A preemptive way to curb these temperature shifts would be committing to a massive oceanic clean up effort, and a international agreement to end commercial fishing for a few decades to allow our oceans to recover. If fish populations recover, the plant life will recover alongside them. Doing this and expanding existing national forests and perhaps building up more inner city parks and encouraging houseplants. Poison the oceans, and you poison rainwater. That will do far more than these screeching lefties think Co2 will.
Agreed, people need to stop buying cheap shit from Ali baba etc. Shit no one fucking needs.
 

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I would love to know what the fuck is true and false here. It’s panic on one side and denial on the other. The panicking panic over everything and the denial side are a bunch lizard bankers.
 
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Better Dead Than Red makes for great Cold War propaganda, but doesn't really fly as environmental policy. The Green New Deal, despite being a leftist wet-dream, served its purpose...now people are talking about what CAN be done, even Republicans, who are also discovering "YOLO" is not a popular or viable policy platform--especially among younger voters.

This shouldn't even be a partisan issue tbh, but as on healthcare only the left seems to be tsking charge on this shit. Personally I think we're fucked either way but there's no reason not to try.
Ok, so you're going with a combo of "the green new deal was only pretending to be exceptional" and "it started a conversation".

You're silly. YOLO has never been the right's environmental stance. Just the strawman version lefties believe in. Try reading and listening to actual right leaning people instead of imagining stupid positions to ascribe to them.
 

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The thing that all these environmentalist celebrities don't care about is leading by example, which makes them look like hypocrites and does more damage to movement than the positive they think they are doing. In the last week I've read about actress Emma Thompson who flew over for a climate protest in London from LA, she was photographed drinking champagne and eating beef in first class. And David Beckham, who does work for the UN and WWF has taken over 40 first class flights in the last year. And yet I'm the bad guy for putting plastic in the wrong recycling bin.
 

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Better Dead Than Red makes for great Cold War propaganda, but doesn't really fly as environmental policy. The Green New Deal, despite being a leftist wet-dream, served its purpose...now people are talking about what CAN be done, even Republicans, who are also discovering "YOLO" is not a popular or viable policy platform--especially among younger voters.

This shouldn't even be a partisan issue tbh, but as on healthcare only the left seems to be tsking charge on this shit. Personally I think we're fucked either way but there's no reason not to try.
It shouldnt be a partisan issue. We shouldnt be for annihilating the livelihoods and economy of those fly over state peasants and yes, there are many reasons not to try if those solutions have no basis, arent market based, would fuck our economy or ultimately have little to no impact which is what the left generally wants or is a way to get socialist policies in place with environmentalism as the cause for concern. Whatever solution put in place in the west cant hurt us immensely because China is more than willing to fill in on our industry and our niche. America could go full Amish and it wouldnt make a lick of difference as China, India and others would move into the global market gaps we left and go on to produce more CO2. Im happy to talk about what can be done, and what can be done is fundamentally market based and responding to the realities on the ground.
 

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Coincidentally someone I know just unironically posted this on my normiebook

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Like do you people not know you are turning people off environmental issues with this bullshit?
I'll trot out my 71% statistic until either the oil runs out and society shits itself as most of its power fails, or until things actually change.

But that is some preachy bullshit.
 

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I'll trot out my 71% statistic until either the oil runs out and society shits itself as most of its power fails, or until things actually change.

But that is some preachy bullshit.
You mean your bullshit stat that includes chinese companies? Yeah its truly capitalism that destroys the environment. Yeah just ignore the Aral sea, the whales killed by the soviets pointlessly, the huge push for industry, Chernobyl, China right this second, the list goes on and on. Socialism is no friend to the environment buddy. Then again, those 2 million cambodians dead and the evacuations of the cities might have reduced carbon there so I guess you can follow those policies.
 
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