Disaster ‘We Don't Know a Planet Like This': CO2 Levels Hit 415 PPM for First Time in 3 Million+ Years - Bring your scuba gear

Slimy Time

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Oh shit, the planet is going to flood and kill us all, how do we solve it?
>Go after oil companies? No...
>Go after China and India and get them to comply with environmental regulation?...not exactly
>Go after shipping companies which use low grade, crude oil to power their tankers, which emit more pollutants than all cars combined?...that's hard to do.
>Tax the average man and ban plastics? HELL YEAH!
 

purpleboy

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Oh shit, the planet is going to flood and kill us all, how do we solve it?
>Go after oil companies? No...
>Go after China and India and get them to comply with environmental regulation?...not exactly
>Go after shipping companies which use low grade, crude oil to power their tankers, which emit more pollutants than all cars combined?...that's hard to do.
>Tax the average man and ban plastics? HELL YEAH!
Of course, the other options would never work because they’re already feeding into the wallets of the dems making those laws
 

Dr W

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You mean your bullshit stat that includes chinese companies? Yeah its truly capitalism that destroys the environment. Yeah just ignore the Aral sea, the whales killed by the soviets pointlessly, the huge push for industry, Chernobyl, China right this second, the list goes on and on. Socialism is no friend to the environment buddy. Then again, those 2 million cambodians dead and the evacuations of the cities might have reduced carbon there so I guess you can follow those policies.
I love how you're taking my data and cherrypicking it to say 'but it's socialism that's the issue', nicely circumventing the fact that about 40% of emissions come from non-state entities such as Exxon. You are arguing off of bad faith and omission, so shut up. I'm not a socialist or a communist: I'm a realist. I'm saying X, my data says X and Y, and you say, "the data says Y, therefore X is invalid," even though X is proven in the paper.
 

Dunkirk

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I love how you're taking my data and cherrypicking it to say 'but it's socialism that's the issue', nicely circumventing the fact that about 40% of emissions come from non-state entities such as Exxon. You are arguing off of bad faith and omission, so shut up. I'm not a socialist or a communist: I'm a realist. I'm saying X, my data says X and Y, and you say, "the data says Y, therefore X is invalid," even though X is proven in the paper.
If your Data says X and Y, why would you only mention X? You are arguing in even worse faith than he is.
 
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Dr W

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If your Data says X and Y, why would you only mention X? You are arguing in even worse faith than he is.
I said 100 corporations are responsible for 71% of climate emissions. It's shorthand for

"Fewer than 200 entities, about half of which are state owned, the other half are owned by either public or private shareholders, are responsible for more than 70 percent of carbon emissions and an unknown percentage of other gas emissions, such as methane and CFCs."

I do see what you are saying, though. I just think the whole 'but India and China aren't changing' argument to be absurd. If America changes, we can sue for reparations in 60 years.
 

ButterBar

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I love how you're taking my data and cherrypicking it to say 'but it's socialism that's the issue', nicely circumventing the fact that about 40% of emissions come from non-state entities such as Exxon. You are arguing off of bad faith and omission, so shut up. I'm not a socialist or a communist: I'm a realist. I'm saying X, my data says X and Y, and you say, "the data says Y, therefore X is invalid," even though X is proven in the paper.
That's because its taking what its ultimately traced back to. Of fucking course Exxon will be there. Every petrol product and company and anything that uses their products will produce fossil fuel. Its not nearly as useful data as where the actual consumption is occurring. Exxon cant exist without a market to fill, no corporate entity can. You cant just blame the corporations who provide fuel, when clearly if it isnt a private company the state will just go ahead and do it too. Its kind of a necessity at the moment to have fossil fuels.
 
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Its kind of a necessity at the moment to have fossil fuels.
How people fail to understand this boggles my fucking mind.

"Oh but we could use alternatives"

Which ones? Where are they? I'm sure nations that have no local sources of oil and are dependent on importing energy (like Japan) would love to see them.

CO2 is also a cause of ocean acidification, which in addition to temperature change induced habitat shifts is already showing results. A complete wipe out of some marine fauna due to acidic environment is more devastating than improper waste management.
The scientific data doesn't say that. It just says it is changing. Just like GCC scientist say the planet is warming but will not turn into Venus.

More bullshit doomsday hyperbole.
 

ButterBar

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How people fail to understand this boggles my fucking mind.

"Oh but we could use alternatives"

Which ones? Where are they? I'm sure nations that have no local sources of oil and are dependent on importing energy (like Japan) would love to see them.
Solar and wind are entirely unreliable due to being weather dependent, nuclear is a valid option but one that seems chronically unembraceable by environmentalists. So yeah, we are left with needing gas and coal for fuel.
 

ColtWalker1847

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Solar and wind are entirely unreliable due to being weather dependent, nuclear is a valid option but one that seems chronically unembraceable by environmentalists. So yeah, we are left with needing gas and coal for fuel.
There is no technology to turn nuclear power into an oil replacement. Or gas, for that matter. All of it is still many decades in the future if we jump all over it right now. Which we should.

Nukes for the foreseeable future kill coal and that is it.
 

Sprig of Parsley

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I think my funniest interaction with someone who was fervently of the belief that electric was the future was when they pointed out how awesome Teslas were and how it was proof we were perfectly capable of adapting to ZEVs.

I asked them "Do you know how batteries are made?"

They confessed ignorance and told me they'd get back to me on that.
 

ButterBar

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There is no technology to turn nuclear power into an oil replacement. Or gas, for that matter. All of it is still many decades in the future if we jump all over it right now. Which we should.

Nukes for the foreseeable future kill coal and that is it.
Thats true. Right now all we can do is go for efficiency, which we've made major strides in.
 

Sable

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Climate change is one of those things that can turn otherwise smart people into idiots.

I was talking to someone the other day who was convinced that the US was the problem because they polluted at a higher rate per capita than China or India, and that those wouldn't bother being environmentally friendly if the US didn't. I tried really hard but it just wouldn't click.
 

Fork Cartel

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There is no technology to turn nuclear power into an oil replacement. Or gas, for that matter. All of it is still many decades in the future if we jump all over it right now. Which we should.

Nukes for the foreseeable future kill coal and that is it.
you can run mass synthetic fuel production with the benefit of really cheap heat+electricity though
 

ColtWalker1847

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you can run mass synthetic fuel production with the benefit of really cheap heat+electricity though
That's cool. We don't have a reactor that does that. The materials engineering alone are a decade out on a Gen IV reactor that can operate at 1000C to do it (creep testing for NRC certification). If we started right now.

IF.
 

Sprig of Parsley

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That's cool. We don't have a reactor that does that. The materials engineering alone are a decade out on a Gen IV reactor that can operate at 1000C to do it (creep testing for NRC certification). If we started right now.

IF.
I may have my scale of temperature out of whack but wouldn't 1000 degrees Celsius basically ionize the water the rods would be sitting in

EDIT: Looked it up, actually would require about double that.
 
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I think CO2 will fall to page 2 once all the aquifers finally get pumped dry. Access to fresh water for drinking / irrigation is likely going to be the catastrophe hitting before anybody gives a shit about having to abandon fucking Miami or whatever.
I remember reading about the Ogallala basically being on borrowed time and places in the San Joaquin Valley sinking so much due to depletion that it was causing serious road damage. Kind of wonder why we haven't heard more about that.
 
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ColtWalker1847

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I may have my scale of temperature out of whack but wouldn't 1000 degrees Celsius basically ionize the water the rods would be sitting in

EDIT: Looked it up, actually would require about double that.
The 1000C number is what is needed for the Sulfur-Iodine cycle. I think there is a trick to get it down to 700C (a vacuum maybe?).

Either way sulfuric acid at those temps is no joke then add in all of the corrosion resistance and neutron activation stuff needed for molten salts or metal or whatever that cycles in the primary loop of the reactor and you can easily see where this makes the materials science of all of this quite a challenge.
 
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