War ‘We May Have to Shoot Down This Aircraft’ - conspiracy theorists were right on this one

neverendingmidi

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So basically they gave orders to shoot it down, which is understandable, but by the time the fighters were in the air and able to track it down it had already crashed.

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So basically they gave orders to shoot it down, which is understandable, but by the time the fighters were in the air and able to track it down it had already crashed.

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They gave orders to shoot down is necessary, they put the option on the table for the front line commanders to do whatever was needed to prevent it from hitting a population center. Everyone understood this. Even the passengers who charged the cockpit waited until they were over farmland.
 

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The group(s) that Reagan worked with mostly became what we knew in the early 2000s as the Northern Alliance, a group of semi-secular (in that they weren't completely around the bend as far as Islam goes; don't get me wrong, they weren't Rotarians or anything) tribal leaders and some outright "city folk" who'd resisted Socialism taking hold in Afghanistan out of a hope for more westernization.
I bet if I could be bothered to look through your previous posts I'd find a reference to 'bacha bazi', which the Taliban eliminated by eliminating the practitioners, as they likewise cracked down on opium growers, rapists and other offenders against Islam. The Northern Alliance were nothing but a bunch of ethnic warlords who the CIA happened to be supporting in their latest exceptional powerplay.

As has been shown in the aftermath, where US troops sit around listening to the screams of little boys as your 'semi-secular' favorite gang leaders fuck kids.

There was never any reason to 'liberate' Afghanistan. Bush should have invaded the so-called 'state' of 'Saudi' Arabia, the primary sponsor of the attack, instead.
 
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It's also worth noting that 9/11 wasn't actually the first time the chain of command had to consider shooting down a civilian plane over the US. The tragedy involving golf legend Payne Stewart stands out, back in 1999. A Learjet carrying Payne Stewart and staff took off from Florida, it is thought sometime after it reached altitude it lost cabin pressurization killing all on board while the plane flew on on autopilot. National Guard Fighters intercepted it over Georgia and trailed it for hours while everyone debated what to do. It thankfully was heading North West into no mans land and finally ran out of fuel and crashed over a barren area of South Dakota. But there was serious discussion of shooting it down to prevent it from crashing into a populated area. Of course at that point everyone was fairly certain that all aboard the plane were already dead. The intercepting F-16's had observed the planes windows were frosted over on the inside with no signs of life.
 

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How was this a conspiracy theory? I thought it was pretty well known that permission to shoot if necessary had been given? That was kind of obvious when they scrambled fighters. And it's not like it was a questionable decision. What alternatives were there? It was obvious that the 4th plane was heading for 1 of 2 targets. The passengers on all 4 planes were already dead the moment the pilots throats were cut. After that it was just a question of where they hit.
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I think it will be another generation or so before they finally admit that it was actually shot down. The "lets roll!" fairy tale made for good 'MERICA FUCK YA propaganda during that time.
If they said they shot it down back then all the arm chair quarterbacks and anti-bush MSM would have ripped the country apart.
 

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Didn't the tail of the plane end up landing like a mile past where they found the fuselage? :thinking:

The real question is when they're going to publicly admit that 9/11 memes are hilarious..
 

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I think it will be another generation or so before they finally admit that it was actually shot down. The "lets roll!" fairy tale made for good 'MERICA FUCK YA propaganda during that time.
If they said they shot it down back then all the arm chair quarterbacks and anti-bush MSM would have ripped the country apart.
I completely agree with you. Best to ease the public into a truth that will eventually be exposed and no doubt cause serious unrest. They are just moving the story a step closer to reality, so the truth can be more palatable. Easier to go from A to B to C rather than A to C.

Because 1) the heroic story brings people together; even though people died it was a moral win in contrast to the day's events.

2) it gives ammo to domestic terrorists and their recruiting efforts... If we assume the entire operation was a false flag, then the point of the entire operation was to bring the US together vs a common enemy and allow the world to give the US a pass for invading the ME outright. Also Patriot Act. It would be completely detrimental to the objective to admit the gov shot a commercial aircraft out of the sky. If you do believe the official story and a bunch of Allah Ackbars were overlooked at literally hundreds of checkpoints, then it still only fuels unrest and distrust in the government

3) Assuming points A - C are admission of the aircraft being taken down, D - Z is admission that tower 7 was blown up and perhaps the truth to more awful lies that day. Lack of Pentagon footage supports the idea that this shit reeks of glowniggers imo.
 
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Welllllll...there's kind of a nuanced view about that. Or should I say, I have one. The group(s) that Reagan worked with mostly became what we knew in the early 2000s as the Northern Alliance, a group of semi-secular (in that they weren't completely around the bend as far as Islam goes; don't get me wrong, they weren't Rotarians or anything) tribal leaders and some outright "city folk" who'd resisted Socialism taking hold in Afghanistan out of a hope for more westernization. They actively fought the Taliban Government, too. However, once the Soviets pulled out, people said "Yay, 'we' won!" and quit giving a shit, and the Taliban, who by dint of being more maniacal and vicious had risen to the top of the pecking order in terms of groups fighting the USSR took over, leaving the less numerous and less fanatical Northern Alliance on their back foot. Also, the Northern Alliance was just that: an alliance. A group of tribes, etc., who had no common cause except get the USSR out. The Taliban on the other hand wanted to party like it was 1099, and were willing to kill as many unbelievers as possible to make this happen. The last guy the Northern Alliance had who could hold it together and maybe forge something not completely horrible (by comparison) out of those who weren't LARPing as Fremen, he got assassinated. With his voice gone, the Taliban subsumed the remaining factions and that was that.
Pakistan's ISI are responsible for funneling most of the material support to the Taliban during the post-Soviet occupation years when America stopped funding the mujaheddin and Northern Alliance.
 
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neverendingmidi

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If you do believe the official story and a bunch of Allah Ackbars were overlooked at literally hundreds of checkpoints, then it still only fuels unrest and distrust in the government
What hundreds of checkpoints? Before 9/11 there was no TSA. At most there was a metal detector, and as long as stuff was in your carry-on, it passed. When I left for boot camp in 2000, my parents went with me to the gate of the plane to say goodbye, they didn't need a boarding pass or anything. The metal detector was just to look for guns mostly. Almost all of the barriers and walls that are for security nowadays did not exist. People used to take sewing baskets with knitting needles, scissors, etc. on planes.

The reason nobody fought on the first three planes was because the normal thing with hijackings was the plane would land and the assholes would make demands. It wasn't until the passengers got calls telling them that the other planes had been flown into buildings that they realized the game had changed. This was a totally unheard of idea at the time.


I don't think younger people realize how much flying has changed since the TSA started.
 
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What hundreds of checkpoints? Before 9/11 there was no TSA. At most there was a metal detector, and as long as stuff was in your carry-on, it passed. When I left for boot camp in 2000, my parents went with me to the gate of the plane to say goodbye, they didn't need a boarding pass or anything. The metal detector was just to look for guns mostly. Almost all of the barriers and walls that are for security nowadays did not exist. People used to take sewing baskets with knitting needles, scissors, etc. on planes.

The reason nobody fought on the first three planes was because the normal thing with hijackings was the plane would land and the assholes would make demands. It wasn't until the passengers got calls telling them that the other planes had been flown into buildings that they realized the game had changed. This was a totally unheard of idea at the time.


I don't think younger people realize how much flying has changed since the TSA started.
My grandpa used to take me to the airport and to the gates just to look at the different kinds of planes and get lunch at a little restaurant he liked there. We would sit there watching planes come and go, eating burgers and onion rings, then get up and move to a different gate to watch different planes. It wasn't even considered particularly eccentric, then, let alone a security risk.
 
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