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Clockwork_PurBle

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Just about everybody made good everything during the war, aside from like Germany and Japan of course (unless you count the scientific discoveries).

Obligatory war is bad but I think the 40s and 50s are my favorite time period.

Might not be the place for this but why are we supposed to hate Butch Hartman now?
 

Trilby

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Just about everybody made good everything during the war, aside from like Germany and Japan of course (unless you count the scientific discoveries).

Obligatory war is bad but I think the 40s and 50s are my favorite time period.
I get that feeling watching the John Sutherland shorts like this beauty!
 

Clockwork_PurBle

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An example of post-war animation that I like is Britain's 1954 animated Animal Farm, which was the country's first feature-length animated film (from my understanding there were a couple that were produced before AF, but weren't released until later). There's differences between the book and the film but I consider it pretty faithful.


And yes, the CIA provided funding for this and influenced how the story was presented for anti-communist purposes, but commies suck, so who cares?
 

AnOminous

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And yes, the CIA provided funding for this and influenced how the story was presented for anti-communist purposes, but commies suck, so who cares?
You don't have to do anything in particular to make Animal Farm aggressively anti-Communist. Even though Orwell was himself a socialist, he was never in the dumb club of Stalin apologists.
 

Trilby

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An example of post-war animation that I like is Britain's 1954 animated Animal Farm, which was the country's first feature-length animated film (from my understanding there were a couple that were produced before AF, but weren't released until later). There's differences between the book and the film but I consider it pretty faithful.


And yes, the CIA provided funding for this and influenced how the story was presented for anti-communist purposes, but commies suck, so who cares?
This is a necessary watch for anyone to see.
 

Clockwork_PurBle

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You don't have to do anything in particular to make Animal Farm aggressively anti-Communist. Even though Orwell was himself a socialist, he was never in the dumb club of Stalin apologists.
From Wikipedia who can explain things better than I can most of the time.

The "financial backers" influenced the development of the film: the altered ending, and that the message should be that "Stalin's regime is not only as bad as Jones's, but worse and more cynical," and Napoleon "not only as bad as JONES but vastly worse". And the "investors" were greatly concerned that Snowball (the Trotsky figure) was presented too sympathetically in early script treatments, and that Batchelor's script implied Snowball was "intelligent, dynamic, courageous". This implication could not be permitted. A memo declared that Snowball must be presented as a "fanatic intellectual whose plans if carried through would have led to disaster no less complete than under Napoleon". De Rochemont accepted this suggestion.

TL;DR They wanted to double down on the message and they didn't want Snowball to be as sympathetic as he was in the novel. I remember still feeling bad for Snowball when I was a kid so I guess they failed in that department.

Also, I'd like to add, all the voices are done by one man.
 

Steamboat_Bill

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Just about everybody made good everything during the war, aside from like Germany and Japan of course (unless you count the scientific discoveries).

Obligatory war is bad but I think the 40s and 50s are my favorite time period.
The Germans tried their hand at animation during the war, but most of what they produced was propaganda not worth remembering except for the whole Nazi thing - excepting the work of Hans Fischerkoesen, who did a number of delightful, non-political, even subversive cartoons during the war.

There is a lost Nazi cartoon produced in the Netherlands, an anti-Semitic take on the Reynard the Fox stories, that has stirred up some interest, though.

From Wikipedia who can explain things better than I can most of the time.

The "financial backers" influenced the development of the film: the altered ending, and that the message should be that "Stalin's regime is not only as bad as Jones's, but worse and more cynical," and Napoleon "not only as bad as JONES but vastly worse". And the "investors" were greatly concerned that Snowball (the Trotsky figure) was presented too sympathetically in early script treatments, and that Batchelor's script implied Snowball was "intelligent, dynamic, courageous". This implication could not be permitted. A memo declared that Snowball must be presented as a "fanatic intellectual whose plans if carried through would have led to disaster no less complete than under Napoleon". De Rochemont accepted this suggestion.

TL;DR They wanted to double down on the message and they didn't want Snowball to be as sympathetic as he was in the novel. I remember still feeling bad for Snowball when I was a kid so I guess they failed in that department.

Also, I'd like to add, all the voices are done by one man.
The ending is all theirs too, of course, but I actually rather like the ending.

The CIA also funded a version of 1984 that was retooled so that Winston is not broken at the end, loving Big Brother, but goes out gunned down while resisting. Orwell's estate hates that film so you'll never see it again, but luckily the version with John Hurt and Richard Burton is much better. Watch that instead.

(There is also, I should mention, a live-action version of Animal Farm with Patrick Stewart. The new ending reveals that several years later the pigs' regime has collapsed, like the USSR did in real life... I should mention that the film is godawful. Avoid it at all costs.)
 

Trilby

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TL;DR They wanted to double down on the message and they didn't want Snowball to be as sympathetic as he was in the novel. I remember still feeling bad for Snowball when I was a kid so I guess they failed in that department.
I felt that way too.

Also, I'd like to add, all the voices are done by one man.
Probably helped that only the pigs had any dialogue here. Everyone else pretty much had the usual animal noises heard.

The Germans tried their hand at animation during the war, but most of what they produced was propaganda not worth remembering except for the whole Nazi thing - excepting the work of Hans Fischerkoesen, who did a number of delightful, non-political, even subversive cartoons during the war.
This one is a good example to check out!

In later years Hans would go back to advertising work again, especially for the new medium of TV.

There is a lost Nazi cartoon produced in the Netherlands, an anti-Semitic take on the Reynard the Fox stories, that has stirred up some interest, though.
I've heard of that too.
https://www.awn.com/mag/issue1.7/articles/barten1.7.html

Here's some footage (might be the entire thing)!

The ending is all theirs too, of course, but I actually rather like the ending.
Director John Halas thought so as well (of course he fled Hungary before WWII broke out so he probably thought of his family he left behind there while making this).

(There is also, I should mention, a live-action version of Animal Farm with Patrick Stewart. The new ending reveals that several years later the pigs' regime has collapsed, like the USSR did in real life... I should mention that the film is godawful. Avoid it at all costs.)
I think Jim Henson's Creature Shop was involved on that one.
 
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Shokew

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What do the Kiwis think of Chowder?
I liked Harvey Beaks more. However, Chowder had some great presentation and animation for itself. I just didn't like most of the characters, despite how laugh-out-loud funny the damn thing could actually be - they did go overboard in trying too hard to be funny by Season 2, though, which is why I prefer something calm and collected like Harvey Beaks so much fucking more, unfortunately.
 

Pina Colada

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For the past year, I’ve been getting into OK K.O! Let’s be Heroes! It’s by no means perfect and I’m aware that not everyone likes the art style, but there’s something about the pencil/crayon-drawn outlines that make it look charming. I also think that different writer/boarder teams for each episode is an interesting setup (when done right)- after a while, you can tell them apart by their own visual means to let the characters emote. I do wish the show would give some secondary characters like Dendy more development rather than just use them as plot devices.

What do the Kiwis think of Chowder?
I watched it religiously as a kid. Gazpacho is such an underrated character.
 

Shokew

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For the past year, I’ve been getting into OK K.O! Let’s be Heroes! It’s by no means perfect and I’m aware that not everyone likes the art style, but there’s something about the pencil/crayon-drawn outlines that make it look charming. I also think that different writer/boarder teams for each episode is an interesting setup (when done right)- after a while, you can tell them apart by their own visual means to let the characters emote. I do wish the show would give some secondary characters like Dendy more development rather than just use them as plot devices.
I like OK K.O. far more than anything SU, honestly. Treating it as is, it's just a fun little show to kill time with for me - the kind that CN could always use more of.

However, yeah - that art-style is not a standard to strive for, even if the animation sometimes for fight scenes is actually pretty good. I think the pilot (Lakewood Plaza Turbo)'s artstyle would have been a better choice, as while it was pretty simplistic itself, it still felt like something unique and original. A sense of soul that isn't all that detectable in the final product for me.

As a result of the pilot's style being tossed out for the final product, this is why I personally think CN should aim to do better by, in the future, taking on people with more original ideas - as in not trying to make so many damn love letter references to anime most of the time (especially something they do that - again, I find rather annoying in SU, for example...), while also at the same time, not relying on cheap art-style decisions, especially.
 

Pina Colada

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I think the pilot (Lakewood Plaza Turbo)'s artstyle would have been a better choice, as while it was pretty simplistic itself, it still felt like something unique and original. A sense of soul that isn't all that detectable in the final product for me.

As a result of the pilot's style being tossed out for the final product, this is why I personally think CN should aim to do better by, in the future, taking on people with more original ideas - as in not trying to make so many damn love letter references to anime most of the time (especially something they do that - again, I find rather annoying in SU, for example...), while also at the same time, not relying on cheap art-style decisions, especially.
The only thing I didn't like about the pilot's art style were the sausage noses, but I can look past it as an overall better visual than the final product.
 

sasazuka

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It looks like the Laika movie Missing Link just barely failed to unseat Lucasfilm's Strange Magic as being the animated film in "super-saturation wide release" (over 3000 screens) with the lowest "domestic" (North American) opening weekend ever.

Strange Magic is at #10 on the list of Worst Wide release openings (over 3000 screens) with $5,504,441 while Missing Link is at #11 with $5,841,434.

Before anyone mentions the infamous Delgo and its abysmal $511,920 opening weekend, that was only released on 2160 screens. So, at least Missing Link earned over ten times as much as Delgo, I suppose.

EDIT: Whoops, Missing Link is a Laika and not an Aardman movie. I legitimately thought it was Aardman somehow.
 
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Steamboat_Bill

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Take a look at this documentary - it's about the friendship between Gabor Csupo and Frank Zappa. It's an amazing story.

 

Clockwork_PurBle

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Can we get some love in the chat for The Brave Little Toaster?

John Lasseter is...toast now, but the film is significant in that this was the first CGI film he pitched. He was also supposed to direct it, but that fell through.
 

Steamboat_Bill

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Can we get some love in the chat for The Brave Little Toaster?

John Lasseter is...toast now, but the film is significant in that this was the first CGI film he pitched. He was also supposed to direct it, but that fell through.
I like it, needless to say. Nothing with Jon Lovitz and Phil Hartman in it is terrible.

The story is apparently he pitched it to Disney, but Disney didn’t want to do it because no one was going to watch a film about a toaster.

It got made at Hyperion Pictures, which was founded by ex-Disney people, and it was such a cult hit that they made two sequels, neither of which is worth your time.
 
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Trilby

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I like it, needless to say. Nothing with Jon Lovitz and Phil Hartman in it is terrible.
Don't forget Thurl Ravenscroft! To me, he's the voice of God himself!

The story is apparently he pitched it to Disney, but Disney didn’t want to do it because no one was going to watch a film about a toaster.
And I could see why.

It got made at Hyperion Pictures, which was founded by ex-Disney people, and it was such a cult hit that they made two sequels, neither of which is worth your time.
Nope! They definitely were below average for what the original film achieved. Always find it odd 'The Master" ended up a country veterinarian in the end but I suppose it makes some sense he'd go for that line of work.
 
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