What are your thoughts on empathy? Are you an empathetic person? -

Agarathium1066

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I feel I'm empathic but the I'd say the last decade of my life (being vague to avoid PL) has taught me that empathy should have limits. I think in a fashion a lot of people here have also learned that the hard way.

I disagree with the notion that the only people you should feel empathy towards is your family and valued people at least a little. You should feel a very small amount of empathy towards people who are not acting like utter loons, a willingness to help where you can and be generous. Yet I also think that empathy that we've been taught has been horribly abused and I can't blame a soul for feeling that they are right in limiting their empathy towards others.

It's too easily abused and has been far, far too abused by malcontents and fools.
 

Lemmingwise

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But what if I don't want to give my hard-earned money away?
Stop being cheap and tip the waitress.

I finally decided to only feel empathy for my loved ones, the people I like, and the people I agree with (to some extent).
Yes, me too. Ein fatherland, ein reich. We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children. Not sure if that's what we call a feminist though. I think there's another word for it.
 

Shadfan666xxx000

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The way empathy works and how people think of it is something that always shifts from era to era. In general, a greater empathy for the body politic and humanity in general has been a feature in western thought with the ideal of agape and in the east with Taoism as just examples. So the idea of being empathetic (or at least judicious)to humanity in general has always existed in some form like with the golden rule.
What everyone is getting at about is the savior complex people think is empathy. A self sacrificing drive which ironically doesn't save anyone but enables them. Everyone sees it and logically deduces it's nonsense but they mistake it for the greater and truer concept and ideal that trying to improve mankind is. It's not that people aren't empathetic, it's that the drive is abused and twisted against it's meaning to mean you should donate to fraudulent charities and enable drug abuse instead of commissioning art and teaching young people how to save money.
 

c-no

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As far as empathy goes, I think it's something most of us can do but it's in a response to something, whether it's a great tragedy or a personal loss one goes through. As for being empathetic, I will say I'm an asshole in laughing at lolcows of old when it comes to the old things they did. It wouldn't stop me from being empathetic even to them but that's with something like say loss of a close family member, and this is assuming said individual isn't using a loved ones death for an excuse or clout.
 

Real Gay Autist

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Psychologists today usually talk about at least two types of empathy. Emotional empathy involves, roughly, concern about and recognition of the other's emotional state. You feel the same as the other person, as if their emotional state is contagious. You feel distressed if you see them distressed, and you're moved to help them. You see someone stub their toe and you say 'ow' because you feel some level of distress. This type of empathy is present in infants and animals like rats and birds. Cognitive empathy involves, roughly, mentalizing and theory of mind. You imagine what others are likely feeling, taking their perspective as a way to understand what they might be going through. You see someone upset because someone called them a faggot and, even though you've never been called a faggot, you can imagine that if you were in their position it would hurt. This type of empathy is present in children and adolescents and chimpanzees. https://lesley.edu/article/the-psychology-of-emotional-and-cognitive-empathy

I took that test and got a nice high score, but I know I'm really an asshole deep down.
 

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Psychologists today usually talk about at least two types of empathy. Emotional empathy involves, roughly, concern about and recognition of the other's emotional state. You feel the same as the other person, as if their emotional state is contagious. You feel distressed if you see them distressed, and you're moved to help them. You see someone stub their toe and you say 'ow' because you feel some level of distress. This type of empathy is present in infants and animals like rats and birds. Cognitive empathy involves, roughly, mentalizing and theory of mind. You imagine what others are likely feeling, taking their perspective as a way to understand what they might be going through. You see someone upset because someone called them a faggot and, even though you've never been called a faggot, you can imagine that if you were in their position it would hurt. This type of empathy is present in children and adolescents and chimpanzees. https://lesley.edu/article/the-psychology-of-emotional-and-cognitive-empathy

I took that test and got a nice high score, but I know I'm really an asshole deep down.
I didn't know there were two kinds of empathy. Well, I probably learned about it in a documentary about babies but then I forgot. It's really interesting.
 

knobslobbin

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Sometimes I can hear people's thoughts, or move things with my mind. But usually I just have normal levels of empathic powers depending on how much Connor Murphy I've been watching. Why do you ask?
 

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What everyone is getting at about is the savior complex people think is empathy. A self sacrificing drive which ironically doesn't save anyone but enables them. Everyone sees it and logically deduces it's nonsense but they mistake it for the greater and truer concept and ideal that trying to improve mankind is. It's not that people aren't empathetic, it's that the drive is abused and twisted against it's meaning to mean you should donate to fraudulent charities and enable drug abuse instead of commissioning art and teaching young people how to save money.
What really grind my balls is the fact people act all high and mighty when they decide to give a gram of a shit about anyone who is more oppressed than them. For example, feminists when they care about trannies or black people. Or trannies when they care about other trannies. Or commies when they "care" about the proletariat. Maybe they do care, but those who flaunt about it all the fucking time don't.

And what's worse, they act like you're literally worse than Hitler if you say, "I don't really care about them." For example, I don't really care about African Americans (in my defense, neither BLM nor African Americans themselves care about them). I understand most of them have it really bad and that's really awful for them. But I live in another country, my life experience is different, I have real problems to deal with. And they are a nation of whiny assholes who live too comfortable with a thumb up their asses. Do you wanna know what real suffering is? Go live in Africa. So, why would I give a shit about them? They have a rather privileged first-world life, compared to mine.

Talking about Africans, they could think exactly the same about me, and I wouldn't even get mad. They could say, "We don't have to empathize with you, you have tap water and the dingos don't try to kidnap your children at night." I guess I would be perfectly okay with that. Unlike those especial snowflakes up there, I don't demand others to pity me.
 

nigger of the north

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In that case, if parents don't teach their children to feel empathy, do you think it's something those children could learn by themselves?
The science is fairly clear on this point. I'd have to look at the literature again, but it's something like twelve or thirteen different complex processes have to take place within the child's social environment in order for them to develop a healthy ability to empathise. You can sort of intellectually pretend once older if you never developed the ability, but you can't learn it. You're pretty much like that forever, short of medicine being able to reprogram our brains from the ground up.
 
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