What if Hitler and the Nazis never rose to power? -

[ToroidalBoat]

How would history have gone differently had Hitler and the Nazis never risen to power? Would WW2 still have happened?

I think one difference would be more acceptance of eugenics. Eugenics was pretty big in America in the early 20th century, but Nazi atrocities changed that.

("Hitler and the Nazis" sounds like an edgy band name lol.)

 

[Massa's Little Buckie]

There would be more jews and Germany would have won the space race.

 

[KateHikes14]

Imagining the modern world without its' origin myth is ludicrous.

 

[EnemyStand]

Alternate World War 2 The European powers would likely still have their armies and WW2 would likely have been pushed back and instead been a war against the USSR and their colonies, likely started by Soviet aggression in Ukraine. The USSR would likely have been defeated eventually (especially if Europe united and formed a version of the EU during this supposed war) but the cost probably would be about the same.
It's also possible Japan would have sided with the Soviets and become a Communist nation after the fact (or even during this hypothetical war), but the US would likely still be the dominant superpower for much the same reasons they did after WW2. Europe would likely still lose control of its colonies but they'd be gobbled up by Japan more likely than not. Cold War is between US and Japan, but Japan wouldn't control Europe so the EU would consolidate its power, likely still forming a UN. Supposing the EU and US still allied, Cold War would break in favor of the Western powers. Atomic bombs likely go undiscovered, at least for a while longer and weaboos wouldn't exist because Japan would still probably be an isolationist empire.

 

[Arm Pit Cream]

Then bitchute would allow you to search "Holocaust", "Hitler" and "Jew"

 

[NerdShamer]

Japan would try to expand into Asia, get fucked over by the oil embargo,and commit Pearl Harbor.

As far as the Russians goes, their "join communism or die" mentality would have eventually cause WW2 with one of their neighbors. Germany would be steamrolled from the lack of militarization that the Nazis were responsible for.

 

[Pixy]

Japan would try to expand into Asia, get fucked over by the oil embargo,and commit Pearl Harbor.

As far as the Russians goes, their "join communism or die" mentality would have eventually cause WW2 with one of their neighbors. Germany would be steamrolled from the lack of militarization that the Nazis were responsible for.

Stalin was more along the lines of the 'Socialism in one country' stance, as the USSR was already an international pariah when he seized power. Trotsky was more about promoting socialism everywhere; apparently he was handing out flyers encouraging the German proles to 'rise up' when Lenin and co. were negotiating Brest-Litovsk with the Germans!

Had WWII not happened, it's quite possible the USSR would have improved its living standards to something resembling the other developed western nations, though perhaps not as much major technological advancements. The wartime reparations were a massive boon to their industries, after all. The russian knock-offs of western european products would have been much worse than they were post-war.

There's a lot of 'what-ifs' that could be considered, based on this deceptively simple question. For example, here in Australia, the wartime effort directly led to the states giving up quite a bit of independence to the federal government as part of some national wartime legislation. It even led to us becoming the US' lapdog, after our experiences with Mother England and her shifting interests to protect Britain led to the Pacific members of the empire being abandoned.

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

Japan would try to expand into Asia, get fucked over by the oil embargo,and commit Pearl Harbor.

As far as the Russians goes, their "join communism or die" mentality would have eventually cause WW2 with one of their neighbors. Germany would be steamrolled from the lack of militarization that the Nazis were responsible for.

This might happen minus Trotsky or Fascism being martyred. Even if Fascism did help stop the Commies, we'd be in a Cold War with them.

 

[oldTireWater]

Israel might not exist (the Zionists might have grabbed it anyway). Which might have allowed the US to keep more distance from middle eastern affairs.

Japan might not have been so ambitious in the Pacific if the Europeans were able to defend their colonies without distraction. If the US is still drawn into a Pacific war, then it probably ends much more quickly.

If Japan avoids being decimated in the Pacific, then maybe they keep their grip on China. If they do, then China either doesn't become communist, or Japan and Russia split it Korean War style.

Japan either might not have pushed the French out of Indochina, or having pushed them out, might have been able to hold it. Either would have made the Vietnam war unlikely. Maybe the same for the Korean war, but I think that still happens with or without the US.

 

[Poppavalyim Andropoff]

no WW2 and 2021 would look like 1941

 

[ToroidalBoat]

WW2 would likely have been pushed back and instead been a war against the USSR

Reminds me of the premise of Command & Conquer: Red Alert. Einstein goes back in time and kills Hitler somehow, and it starts a war with the communists.

 

[Wilhelm Bittrich]

How would history have gone differently had Hitler and the Nazis never risen to power? Would WW2 still have happened?

I think one difference would be more acceptance of eugenics. Eugenics was pretty big in America in the early 20th century, but Nazi atrocities changed that.

("Hitler and the Nazis" sounds like an edgy band name lol.)

It's my opinion so feel free to disagree.
The rise of the Nazis was a direct result of the Versailles Treaty and WW2 was a result of that rise to power.
But even if the Nazis wouldn't have risen to power, WW2 was inevitable, the difference is that it most likely wouldn'have started with the Inavasion of Poland but rather with a declaration of war against France.
France back then was the major power behind the harsh conditions of the Versailles Treaty ( This is no peace, this is a cease fire for 20 years-Marshal Foch ) and given that Germany and France have had already fought two major wars ( 1870/1871 and 1914/1918 ) the next war between them was inevitable.

 

[EnemyStand]

Reminds me of the premise of Command & Conquer: Red Alert. Einstein goes back in time and kills Hitler somehow, and it starts a war with the communists.

Well, the way I see it Stalin was pretty expansionist, but he wasn't in a huge hurry because he was convinced his 5 Year Plans were the way even when they fell apart on him. So even if Germany behaved (which given the Treaty of Versailles mentioned above was unlikely) Stalin would have either tried to slowly push into Germany or go for European colonial interests for resources.

 

[verissimus]

It's my opinion so feel free to disagree.
The rise of the Nazis was a direct result of the Versailles Treaty and WW2 was a result of that rise to power.
But even if the Nazis wouldn't have risen to power, WW2 was inevitable, the difference is that it most likely wouldn'have started with the Inavasion of Poland but rather with a declaration of war against France.
France back then was the major power behind the harsh conditions of the Versailles Treaty ( This is no peace, this is a cease fire for 20 years-Marshal Foch ) and given that Germany and France have had already fought two major wars ( 1870/1871 and 1914/1918 ) the next war between them was inevitable.

That might only been the case if the Germans made a similar non-aggression pact with the Soviets which probably could have happened for the same reasons. Otherwise, yeah I could see that happening. Probably would have done the Anschloss with Austria before a war with France as well.

 

[Wilhelm Bittrich]

That might only been the case if the Germans made a similar non-aggression pact with the Soviets which probably could have happened for the same reasons. Otherwise, yeah I could see that happening. Probably would have done the Anschloss with Austria before a war with France as well.

The Anschluss was one of the things which most likely would have happenend even without a WW2, Austria actually tried to unite with Germany after WW1 but this was forbidden by the Treaty of Saint-Germain-en-Laye (1919).
A non agression pact or maybe just a trade agreement with the Soviet Union would also have happened most likely, as the Soviets back then were internationally isolated and a transfer of goods between Germany and the Soviets would have helped both nations.
We should not forget that the Weimar Republic had a secret tarining ground for Panzers and Aircraft in the Soviet union during the 1920's early 1930's.
Kama tank school
Lipetsk fighter school

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

There would probably have been a world war of Communism vs. Democracy, with plenty of countries either joining the commies willfully, conquered by commie neighborsr or infilitrated from within. The result is kinda unknown since, unless someone fires at the Americans, they'll probably take their sweet time joining.

The French would probably still get their back broken by trying to win the next war using the basis of the previous war.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

Oswald Mosley probably would have been Prime Minister of the UK

 

[Emperor Julian]

 

[Super-Chevy454]

It's my opinion so feel free to disagree.
The rise of the Nazis was a direct result of the Versailles Treaty and WW2 was a result of that rise to power.
But even if the Nazis wouldn't have risen to power, WW2 was inevitable, the difference is that it most likely wouldn'have started with the Inavasion of Poland but rather with a declaration of war against France.
France back then was the major power behind the harsh conditions of the Versailles Treaty ( This is no peace, this is a cease fire for 20 years-Marshal Foch ) and given that Germany and France have had already fought two major wars ( 1870/1871 and 1914/1918 ) the next war between them was inevitable.

I guess we could have go farther back in time. What if the "Entente Cordiale" didn't happen between France and the UK?

 

[Poppavalyim Andropoff]

I dare say if we didn’t have WW2 James Charles would not be making millions painting he’s face

maybe bus fare from other people painting it but yeah. Butterfly effect? No war to drive tech advancement no social media ect ...