What IS wrong with Autism Speaks? - confusion

[Leonard Helplessness]

The org’s name is a lie. Autism shrieks.

 

[JektheDumbass]

If autism was curable this board would cease to exist.

 

[Nick Obre]

promoting stuff like CRSPR gene editing for babies and a bunch of other stuff that's falling too much into actual eugenics.

Fuck you

Eugenics is only bad because it comes down to killing people with undesired genes, or otherwise impeding them to breed, or conversely, forcing people with desired genes to fuck.
Gene editing to remove potential diseases without harming anyone is a good thing. It's debatable that you can even consider them eugenics at all.
Being a parent is all about trying to give your descendants the best conditions to succeed and be happy. If I had high chance of cancer genes and I could make sure my kids and their kids don't get them, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

"But autism isn't like cancer", you say. Yeah, neither is being deaf, but you'd have to be a special kind of selfish retard to want your kids to be deaf like you, or even worse, to away your kids' hearing. Autism is like that, if you're already an existing autistic person, there's nothing morally wrong with you. No one should wish you to die or anything like that. But if it could be avoided on future kids, it's almost a moral imperative to do so.

(This is to say nothing of that organization. I don't know much about it but I hear they're shady as fuck)

 

[Chaos Theorist]

The org’s name is a lie. Autism shrieks.

Autism reeees

 

[Marissa Moira]

Fuck you

Eugenics is only bad because it comes down to killing people with undesired genes, or otherwise impeding them to breed, or conversely, forcing people with desired genes to fuck.
Gene editing to remove potential diseases without harming anyone is a good thing. It's debatable that you can even consider them eugenics at all.
Being a parent is all about trying to give your descendants the best conditions to succeed and be happy. If I had high chance of cancer genes and I could make sure my kids and their kids don't get them, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

"But autism isn't like cancer", you say. Yeah, neither is being deaf, but you'd have to be a special kind of selfish retard to want your kids to be deaf like you, or even worse, to away your kids' hearing. Autism is like that, if you're already an existing autistic person, there's nothing morally wrong with you. No one should wish you to die or anything like that. But if it could be avoided on future kids, it's almost a moral imperative to do so.

(This is to say nothing of that organization. I don't know much about it but I hear they're shady as fuck)

CRSPR isn't advanced enough to remove a single gene and be able to judge any and all side effects.

They've been trying to use it to cure other more serious genetic conditions and it just winds up causing more severe conditions than the one they were trying to prevent in the first place.

In theory there's nothing wrong with it, but in practice it doesn't work well most of the time. It's like trying to unplug your TV, so you remove the electrical outlet and pull out all the wiring for the whole block. Genes have many unknown dependencies.

It's way too experimental to be a viable solution.

Like for example say you have genes for dwarfism that run in your family, they remove them. But by removing the dwarf genes you've caused the side effect of becoming more susceptible to childhood osteoporosis. That's kind of how genes work.

 

[verygayFrogs]

You will find no reprieve from hearing about sonic save a murder-suicide.

Or just murder bc they advocate for people who kill their autistic charges because "They can't handle the pressure." and get away with a slap on the wrist.

 

[Just wandering]

https://autisticmama.com/do-not-support-autism-speaks/

found this thing, the first point is a good one..
for an disability org they aren't very accommodating for the disabled
Also I do rememeber that autism speak tried to sue a autistic teen for ''copyright'' reason
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For the main critic of SA is demonizing ASD and are ovrerfocusing on a cure aren't entirely wrong them self,,,

I doubt autism speak ad are for just informative reason, I think they have ulterior motive that are more vicious like money, why? because pity sell. It not for nothing the ''I am autism'' take the worst case of ASD and at the same time they use the highest number like 1 on 68 to make thing more horrifying. But implying that 1 on 68 are non verbal autistic is an outright lie because the number was taking using every diagnose of asd to the highest to lowest. And even with ''proportion number'' they change depending were and how they are taken. Because with such a loose definition this is expected

Overfocus on curing is a reasonable critic too, https://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/cure-autism-not-so-fast-n1055921 Because it like building a ladder to the sky and expecting to find god. We are just searching blindly on thing we don't know about. Autism isn't like down syndrome a well know genetic disease, the only way can tell what autism and isn't is via a loose set of behavior, you can't find genetic ''link'' and concise neurotome like that. Because when you find a key in a batch autistic another batch will just contradict the finding...

 

[Rupert Bear]

Autists don't want the cure for autism because they've been brainwashed by the media (autistic people are detached from reality, who could've thought) into believing their disorder which literally causes them to lack social empathy or have meltdowns somehow makes them more intelligent than "those pesky neurotypical normies". So many of them swallow this notion of the "loner genius" thinking that their lack of social skills makes them special introspective masterminds like Einstein or Kant (neither of which had autism, but doesn't stop these faggots from claiming so) and thus they don't see why anyone should want to cure this disorder. Nevermind people with Autism so affected that they can't even try to function whatsoever because they spend all day hitting themselves or shrieking, or even the high functioning asperger types being extremely socially hindered due to their condition with none of the supposed "upsides" of Autism.

Just look at the imagery of the Neurodiversity movement and contrast with LGBTQ+ shit. I know we joke a lot about the latter being "enabling mental illness for attention points", but Neurodiversity is literally just that.

 

[BScCollateral]

I see two problems here:

1) A cure isn't on the horizon. It's pure science fiction at this point.
2) Autism is a spectrum disease. Some, if not most, people with it get by and never show symptoms worse than talking too much about the Civil War or trains.

 

[Android raptor]

I feel like most people who are against Autism Speaks "finding a cure" message have zero experience with autistic children or adults. That, or their only experience with autistic individuals are the ones that are "weird" and kind of socially stunted, but otherwise normal and able to more or less grow up to functional adults.

If your average person knew what it was like to raise a moderately to severely autistic child, they wouldn't be against finding a cure. It's absolute hell for all involved. Why wouldn't you want to cure something that causes so many problems for both the person with autism and the people who have to care for them?

Nah I've been around autists of all levels most of my life and am one myself, Autism Speaks and curbie bullshit is fucked.

If you're an autist and want to be cured great, but otherwise yeah fuck that shit.

Autism Speaks is a legitimately terrible group and the kinds of people who support it are godawful (and treat autistic kids that have to deal with them like garbage).

 

[Leonard Helplessness]

I see two problems here:

1) A cure isn't on the horizon. It's pure science fiction at this point.
2) Autism is a spectrum disease. Some, if not most, people with it get by and never show symptoms worse than talking too much about the Civil War or trains.

I’ve heard a theory put forward that people are not born with autism, but they can be born with a susceptibility to become autistic. The right stimuli/trauma hitting in a child’s crucial early years, combined with that genetic susceptibility, leads to his mind imploding. Hence you get the “as soon as my kid was vaccinated the light disappeared from his eyes” shit and so forth.

It’s tough to figure out since behavioral psychology relies almost completely on observation and case studies; we know jack shit about the human brain and how it works.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

They're almost close to a research tank at this point. In the 2000's they were promising the parents of the lil' stimmy's a cure. That of course didn't happen. They're isn't a cure for autism and the "treatments" from what I've heard minimal in efficacy. ABA for example borrows from animal training in its methods. I get the impression it's just about behavioral modification at this point to curb the violent meltdowns and biting and screaming.