What makes you think troonism won't win? -

[throwawayguys]

A lot of troons bank on the idea of uploading their consciousness to a new body in the near future (trans-transhumanism?). Assuming the technology is developed and tracks the current trajectory of CRISPR-edited test tube babies, they'll kill themselves once they realize their Ghost in the Shell fantasy is a privilege restricted to the rich.
That's what one hopes, at least.

 

[Maurice Caine]

A lot of troons bank on the idea of uploading their consciousness to a new body in the near future (trans-transhumanism?). Assuming the technology is developed and tracks the current trajectory of CRISPR-edited test tube babies, they'll kill themselves once they realize their Ghost in the Shell fantasy is a privilege restricted to the rich.
That's what one hopes, at least.

Well, if it does happen it won't be in the realm of the rich for long. Unless you live in a shithole, lmao

 

[Rusty Crab]

You're asking the wrong question. Troonism is a harbinger of civilization collapse. Troonism will win, but it will rule over a pile of ashes.

 

[Wayneright]

The troons don't matter, the entirety of power of that props them up does. As long as the media, schools and politicians keep pushing this, there will be more and more troons to sustain it.

If corporate trends are genuinely irrespective of the broader population's views then there is no reason to concern ourselves with what they have to say. Corporations will continue to pursue profit no matter what and by design a transexual coming into existence is extremely profitable for pharmaceutical and medical industries. You aren't any more likely to singlehandedly stop the spread of corporate-endorsed transexuality than you are the spread of Kentucky Fried Chicken or Coca-Cola.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

Since public school taught me you need to pee in a girl's butt to make a baby, I'm pretty sure the fad will be mostly over inside of a generation. Post-millenial/Z troons will be few and far-between, once the faggot generation (millenials) perishes.

If they can't breed, they can't sneed, you must concede.

 

[jje100010001]

1.) Trans Kids aging up >>> Class action lawsuits against doctors
2.) Biological clock ticking on the millennials pursing transtrendom >>> 41%ing as passing becomes more difficult and medical side-effects begin to emerge
3.) Women sports >>> Local laws enacted against trans colonialism
4.) LBG slowly divesting themselves from the Trans community >>> Gradual collapse of solidarity and parasitic activism (i.e. Stonewall)

That being said, it's not the first generation of people transitioning (first generation was during the 70s-80s and was almost completely contained within the gay community), but it's far less gatekept than before, and this lack of gatekeeping may lead to its downfall.

On the other hand, surviviors crawling out of the wreckage may further drive the increase of the non-binary categories, I was reading a few posts on Reddit by a detrans woman who visibly passes as a male (square face, facial hair, etc.) but still has the female anatomy, and as such now identifies as a 'masculine' woman.

 

[Jar-Jar Fanboy]

I think a lot of people who aren't alphabet people themselves are simply ignorant to what troons are really like. I know I was, about five years ago, and was fully in support of them. What made me change was actually encountering them in real life, on a regular basis, and it really opened my eyes to what they're really like. They're often not the poor, oppressed people they get painted as in the media, but mentally-ill, narcissistic bullies, who are, more often than not, openly perverted. I think most people support troons in theory, but if they actually started to meet them, they'd be disgusted and repulsed

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

realas vs feels and guess what? reals always win by the end.

 

[Gensou Hadou]

The world's been a perpetually-tense hellhole ever since 2011 or so. If tensions finally boil over, however it happens, people will have more immediate things to worry about than mutilating themselves.

 

[Clem Fandango]

4.) LBG slowly divesting themselves from the Trans community >>> Gradual collapse of solidarity and parasitic activism (i.e. Stonewall)

This took a while, but is definitely now happening - see the LGB Alliance being registered as a charity in the UK. Reasonable gays have had enough of their rainbow movement being coopted by nutters.

 

[Ashford Lawrence]

I more or less agree that they've already won. The fact that Caitlin Jenner is apparently a credible conservative leader is proof of that.

But remember that we're dealing with people who spend their time trying to give themselves prolapsed ass holes to brag about on Twitter. Today they're winning, who knows about next week.

 

[Lemmingwise]

When I read this thread, I get the distinct feeling that I'm in the early soviet union where people grumble about the secret police and that surely people will grow too tired and of accepting them any day now and start to resist en masse.

It should happen, but it's not going to happen. These people are the modern eunuchs, custom made servants. The christian priests who gave up a biological stake in the world in return for prestige. The ones who could be trusted to rule considerable domains, because they could not leave it to their children.

The added benefit this time around is that they are not against pillaging schemes that destroy social fabric over decades because they have no stake in the world past their lives.

The people that think corporations, that are almost monopolies and rapidly expanding towards being so due to the Rona, will suddenly have a change of heart when public opinion sways are in fantasy land. These eunuchs are their enforcers and serve multiple of their purposes.

First, it allows them to continue to push diversity, while fulfilling female quota's in male jobs like programming.
Second, it creates a class that permanently depend on drugs and their protection.
Third because eunuchs are simultaneously so dependant and on the other hand so broken inside, they are the perfect enforcers of whatever injustice needs to be done.

Every step of the way towards troonism was horrifying. Lili Elbe wanted to have children after becoming a woman. They tried a womb transplant. Died. David Rheims, forced into it and also forced into sex acts with his twin by John Money. Half the family committed suicide.

Every step of the way has been horrible and anyone involved closely could see it. Now it's mainstream. Do you think you're getting off this train? You are sorely mistaken.

Choo-choo-choo motherfucker the trans troon train is coming to town.

They're here, they're queer, get used to it. We're a long way from seeing the end of this. It'll come, but we're still in the early phase and we might no see the late phase until we're in retirement pods. And that is being hopeful.

 

[Carlos Weston Chantor]

In the end Jesus will win and troons will be ripped to shreds by demons in broad daylight like Abdul Alhazred. All the kike billionaires will die and go to hell instead of going to space or having their minds transferred to a computer and all the good people will grill and drink cold beer for all eternity with Jesus and DMX

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

The same reason woke is going to fuck up and implode: they're all pricks. Early Christians and socialists would organize mass action that would help the average person like homeless shelters, labor unions and general charity which meant building community. Wokeoids on the other hand, are inherently toxic. They swing a lot of power around but they do everything in such a narcissistic and obtuse manner as to render them a pest to literally everything. They're joyless, self admittedly soulless and will eat their own in a second. That crowd could only keep the worst people for building a community and eventually people will pay attention and notice it.

 

[Haim Arlosoroff]

Its not that Troons are going to win or not, decadency always increases until the underlying abundance collapses into scarcity and ruin. Troons are just our version of the Roman elite playing their child orgy bingo card parties and social gatherings. Either the underlying society stops supporting their necessary post-scarcity resource abundance, and I don't mean a jew should go by a plank of wood from Home Depot as if that saves America, or the society keeps top-down reordering natural compromises between individuals and each other or their society. Simple as.

There will be people lining up to be police even after the Chauvin Neck Pinch got whats-his-name. You cannot stop liberalization without stopping the hard-working conservative capitulating time and again and handing over his stuff to the mob. There is only one way to derail Troonism, and people are too afraid of the cost. So it will continue as it did in Rome, into an Empire of resource retention and wealth maintenance until the lies of American diplomacy and its military strength finally fall, and then the dustbin thereafter. No Great man will save us, no great piece of rhetoric can bridge so wide a gulf, no great stirring among the masses will turn the car around in disgust and anger. Maybe nature will destroy enough of our great works and infrastructure to force a Great Reset in mockery of the path we are going down?

The same reason woke is going to fuck up and implode: they're all pricks. Early Christians and socialists would organize mass action that would help the average person like homeless shelters, labor unions and general charity which meant building community. Wokeoids on the other hand, are inherently toxic. They swing a lot of power around but they do everything in such a narcissistic and obtuse manner as to render them a pest to literally everything. They're joyless, self admittedly soulless and will eat their own in a second. That crowd could only keep the worst people for building a community and eventually people will pay attention and notice it.

COVID measures could not wrestle the liberal from the Wokeoid Faucite, people are too soft to do more than complain. There will always be an out-group found to reunite the liberal base together, Bret Weinstein will become the next Shapiro brought up by the media as a punching bag, neurotically unable to stop himself from uniting the conservatives on an unwinnable point and the left together against him on a winnable emotional point. If nobody resisted, or people really began to ostracize each other, then the conditions you speak about would come true.

 

[Fougaro]

I'd like to offer a dissenting opinion. Unless the (western) civilised world abandons equality as its highest held value, which I only see happening after a major cataclysmic event, I actually see trannies on the winning side of any argument. Whenever you see trannies having a fight with feminists, the smart money will always bet on the trannies.

The acceptance and promotion of transsexuality is, more or less how I said it in the TERF thread, how feminism ultimately monkey-pawed itself. I think that understanding feminism is key to understanding troonism. Feminists have used the above mentioned equality to justify the tantrum they've been throwing for over a century, their main argument being that men and women are equal and gender being merely superficial, thus women deserve equal rights, equal pay, equal outcomes, equal participation in traditional male spaces etc. as men (but not equal responsibilities). If you firmly believe that men and women are equal, you have no grounds to argue that trans women aren't real women. If you believe men and women are equal, how can you tell Randy Savage that he's not a woman if he identifies as a proud masculine presenting transgender lesbian? The same arguments feminists used against men are now being used by trannies against feminists/women.

And ultimately the results speak for themselves. Men LARPing as women are entering female bathrooms and showers, colonising female sports and BTFO-ing their cis female competition (Fallon Fox for example) and the lesbian community has now been all but completely subverted and overtaken by trannies. The only realistic way to stop trannies is to abandon the belief in not just gender equality, but equality as a whole; which in the foreseeable future I don't see happening.

 

[Taylor Swift's Ghostwrite]

CONSPIRACY:
I don't think a lot of the trans shit going on these days is entirely organic, just like I don't really think a lot of the racial strife in the US is. It will require it no longer being beneficial/profitable to the people pushing the idea/narrative for it to fail. Alternatively it would require people not only realizing that perhaps medicine in the US isn't entirely interested in your well being and more interested in either your wallet or your insurance payout but willing to do something about that.

A lot of people seem vaguely aware medicine no longer cares if you're doing well but more about their bottom line, but they don't seem aware of how serious the issue is nor the implication of all care under a system like that.

 

[Alkaline Cab]

That big entities ultimately don't care about troons, blacks, or anyone else.
Corporations (outside of pharma and ultra sjws) will grift, but will move on to the next big topic as it becomes profitable. Trannies might take power in tech and other fields, but they shouldn't infest the corporate elite... yet.
And people outside the west - namely Asia (Oriental, Russian, Indian) and Africa - don't give a crap about "white liberalism". As the chinks take over, troons will be the least of your worries.

 

[Salubrious]

A lot of troons bank on the idea of uploading their consciousness to a new body in the near future (trans-transhumanism?). Assuming the technology is developed and tracks the current trajectory of CRISPR-edited test tube babies, they'll kill themselves once they realize their Ghost in the Shell fantasy is a privilege restricted to the rich.
That's what one hopes, at least.

It's strange the number of people that don't realize that the cyberpunk genre, while cool looking on the surface (which is the point), is supposed to be a dystopia.

Then again, we are currently living in some bizarre combination of 1984, Brave New World, The Trial, and The Plague right now.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

The troons don't matter, the entirety of power of that props them up does. As long as the media, schools and politicians keep pushing this, there will be more and more troons to sustain it.

despite le epic 41%, the number of troons is only increasing as time goes by

troons are 1% of the population at most and continue to grow. There will probably be 3 times as many troons in a few years than there are right now.

Oh, I think it’ll go away, but I’m looking at things from a historical point of view. Historians aren’t as bad as geologists when discussing how soon or how long ago an event occurred but history does unfold slowly. We often forget this when looking at timelines in text books but series of events frequently take years, decades, and even centuries to unfold.

History is like a glacier, things move slowly. Some things are very obvious and hard to change, others are black swan events that set off a cascade. When people talk about being on the “right side of history” they’re referring to the former. They believe their cause is inevitable and will unfold a certain way. This is in large part due to their views being rooted in Marxism though rather than any historical insights they may have. Just like how we say Rome was not built in a day, we often forget it didn’t fall in a day either... it was a long series of events and there’s a lot of debate on when Rome fell. Was it over when the Western Roman Empire collapsed or when Constantinople fell to the Ottomans? Are states that formed in the aftermath with Roman in its title Roman or was it all BS? Does the legacy of Rome live on in western imperial states?

With trans rights I do think it’s inevitable for it to fall but that doesn’t mean it will all happen tomorrow or even next year. Primarily because the US is a very litigious society and there is a lot of deception in how well transition surgery works. See below:

Everything is all well and good when you're young and healthy but in 10-20 years all these cases start having repercussions you will see the same law commercials as you do now. Were you or someone you know lied too about the long term effects of medical transition? Call us today!

Just because it will fail doesn’t mean it won’t garner more support than it does today. It doesn’t mean it’ll fall worldwide simultaneously or that it can’t linger on in some nations longer than others. It doesn’t mean that there won’t be more people who transition or that they will crack down less on dissidents. If anything, as their power slips and as dissent rises, they’ll try to crack down harder, not unlike a dying authoritarian state. Arguably, as their power wanes they may be more dangerous, much like an injured or cornered animal can be a greater threat.

They have a lot of power now but corporations are all about saving face. They support trans rights not out of some sincere belief of being good but because it’s marketable and a lot of coomsumers will throw money at anyone who half attempts to market as LGBTQ+ friendly. A lot of normies have jobs and don’t want to be fired so they’ll willingly participate in double think, at least at the surface level. Will they die on a hill when it’s obvious the tide is turning? When documentaries, stories, and tragic tales first trickle then flood the tranny bandwagon boat, how many of them will go down with the ship? When it becomes trendy to stand against it how many of the carpetbaggers will switch sides? Maybe I’m just a bit cynical because I’ve worked a lot in sales and marketing, but that’s my 2 cents.

*Edited* a few spelling and grammatical errors.