What makes you think troonism won't win? -

[Baguette Child]

When you see nearly all forms of media, cartoons, comics, video games, celebrities, half of all major politicians, corporations, universities, etc. support troonism, what makes you think they'll back down?

Right now, it is subsidized by the masses- The ordinary people living ordinary lives and doing the ordinary things that society requires to keep functioning. But as troonism and the associated ideologies continue to chip away at the ordinary, continue to undermine the rank and file laborers who do the shit jobs day in and day out to keep their luxury lifestyles plausible, eventually it WILL (not might) reach a tipping point. Society cannot function with everyone being a victim who demands gibs and handouts. There has to be SOMEONE doing the actual survival-necessary work that underpins the whole house of cards. And as the system encourages more and more people to give that up, well...

It is ultimately inevitable that the whole mess will come tumbling down, and it will be both hilarious and terrifying to watch the process happen in real time.

 

[jje100010001]

CONSPIRACY:
I don't think a lot of the trans shit going on these days is entirely organic, just like I don't really think a lot of the racial strife in the US is. It will require it no longer being beneficial/profitable to the people pushing the idea/narrative for it to fail. Alternatively it would require people not only realizing that perhaps medicine in the US isn't entirely interested in your well being and more interested in either your wallet or your insurance payout but willing to do something about that.

A lot of people seem vaguely aware medicine no longer cares if you're doing well but more about their bottom line, but they don't seem aware of how serious the issue is nor the implication of all care under a system like that.

It's not even a conspiracy, a lot of the whole CRT/woke/trans stuff was fomented at publicly-funded universities, and then spread around through the bureaucracy & upper-class activism. It is almost entirely a top-down thing (think Mermaids), that the elites are pushing onto the average citizen as the supposed will of the nation.

Problem is- how do you fix it when the elites have bought into it? Will it collapse on its own once the elites find their new plaything? Or will some grassroots from below break apart that elite consensus, and allow those apprehensive-but-coerced elites to find their voices?

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

A lot of troons bank on the idea of uploading their consciousness to a new body in the near future (trans-transhumanism?). Assuming the technology is developed and tracks the current trajectory of CRISPR-edited test tube babies, they'll kill themselves once they realize their Ghost in the Shell fantasy is a privilege restricted to the rich.
That's what one hopes, at least.

You'd think they'd realize all this transhumanism will just be for the rich. Cyberpunk has a habit of hammering that in. It also hammers in how miserable the future it is portraying is. Just playing Deus Ex once is enough to figure that out.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Spoiler: More thoughts on the matter

One of the reasons I think it’ll implode sooner rather than later is because it’s composed of autists or people who are autist adjacent. I highly doubt it’ll last for more than 20 years. The only reason it doesn’t implode sooner is because it’s so profitable to big pharma.

Some think they’re going to succeed because they are autists but I have the opposite opinion. They may be smarter than an average normie but they will on average have less discipline, self-awareness, EQ, and more importantly less social awareness. Even with institutional support they’ll find a way to end the grift sooner than it could’ve lasted. They can make up for some of it by their screaming and dedication, but for a political movement to succeed they have to have broad acceptance and support. Being a janny can somewhat impede the spread of ideas but the issue is the individual autists themselves. Like they have to interact with the public and each interaction is small by collectively it will sway public opinion. Gay rights won not because of autistic screeching but because of normies who came out of the closet. I was born to a conservative family but what won me over was not the pedantic protestors or activists but rather my coworkers who came out and were relatively normal. If anything the activists pushed me away from the movement. The same applies here IMO but the difference is that almost no troons are sympathetic normies.

Being a nerd, I am of the opinion that people overestimate the abilities of spergs, especially when it comes to anything social or requiring teamwork. I blame pop culture for depicting smart individuals like they were some sort of Wizards that could magically solve every single situation. Autists Troons are the Achilles heel of the trans right movement.

Whether they want to admit it or not Chris Chandler and Jonathan Yaniv are more representative of the average troon than either is to the average Virginian or Canadian Jew. Could a movement composed of lolcows find a way to not fuck up something set up for them on a Golden platter? I would argue that they will find a way to screw things up even if the stars perfectly aligned.

Here are some questions to consider: How long do you think autists can cooperate together even if they’re in agreement on core beliefs and positions? Do you think they can maintain the same core positions, beliefs, and more importantly collectively come up with the best way to act on them? Can they really prevent themselves from not cooming publicly if it’s in their collective interests? Are you of the opinion that autists can prevent themselves from raging at obvious bait or even small incidental things that don’t hinder their general objectives? Are autists capable of having positive daily interactions with the public to build up and maintain positive PR? Can autists spin bad PR consistently? Can autists en masse cooperate with institutional support when it’s in their collective interests despite petty grievances they may hold? Can they do so consistently for a long period of time? Can autists really compromise when it’s in their interests to, especially for long term objectives? Will autists choose not to turn on each other if it benefits themselves but comes at the cost of their collective interests?

I’m very skeptical of autists cooperating or acting rationally when it comes to social or political movements. The longer they have to cooperate, the more likely it is that they’ll fuck up. Likewise the more socially aware they have to be, the more likely they are to fuck up. They may know not to take the bait, what they have to do, etc., but they’ll screw it up via infighting, jealousy, or bouts of tard rage. Take the superstraight meme for example. The smart thing to do would be to play off the meme and laugh it off, or at least ignore it. However, they couldn’t help but take the bait.

*Edit*
Another negative long term factor, at least from a social/psychological perspective, is their unemployment and poverty rates. Humans tend to look up to things that they associate with wealth/success and attempt to emulate it. The flip side of that coin is humans look down on attributes associated with poverty and will attempt to avoid it. The vast majority of troons are autists, and the vast majority of autists are unemployed. For now, many associate troonism with computer science but as people become more aware of troons and the fact that they’re neets, subconsciously they’ll be viewed more negatively.

You'd think they'd realize all this transhumanism will just be for the rich. Cyberpunk has a habit of hammering that in. It also hammers in how miserable the future it is portraying is. Just playing Deus Ex once is enough to figure that out.

Or if normies do have it, it’s used as leverage against them. Like they don’t even own their own bodies, but some faceless corporation or government does.

 

[mario if smoke weed]

Winners don't kill themselves, losers do - and sorry to say, but 41% is a real loser's percentage.

 

[K. V. Bones]

How are they supposed to win when only 59% of them will survive long enough to even try?

 

[CharlesBarkley]

You'd think they'd realize all this transhumanism will just be for the rich. Cyberpunk has a habit of hammering that in. It also hammers in how miserable the future it is portraying is. Just playing Deus Ex once is enough to figure that out.

I have seen the transhuman future on second life, and I can tell you right now that no one is going to hire a 7'foot tall minotaur with lactating tittys for any kind of job position.

Also trannys who do live long enough to reach old age will be the funniest things on earth and every nigga gonna laugh nonstop at them. They will be a symbol of retardation across eons.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

Right now, it is subsidized by the masses- The ordinary people living ordinary lives and doing the ordinary things that society requires to keep functioning. But as troonism and the associated ideologies continue to chip away at the ordinary, continue to undermine the rank and file laborers who do the shit jobs day in and day out to keep their luxury lifestyles plausible, eventually it WILL (not might) reach a tipping point. Society cannot function with everyone being a victim who demands gibs and handouts. There has to be SOMEONE doing the actual survival-necessary work that underpins the whole house of cards. And as the system encourages more and more people to give that up, well...

It is ultimately inevitable that the whole mess will come tumbling down, and it will be both hilarious and terrifying to watch the process happen in real time.

I don't agree with this at all, the masses opinion does not matter unless they have a vanguard using them. The only way something like that comes to pass would be if wealth and prosperity goes away, which yes the apathy of the masses might accelerate things towards, but it would not just be them 'having enough'. In fact, the hope that SOMEONE ELSE will eventually do something is exactly what keeps anything from happening.

 

[Salubrious]

They have a lot of power now but corporations are all about saving face. They support trans rights not out of some sincere belief of being good but because it’s marketable and a lot of coomsumers will throw money at anyone who half attempts to market as LGBTQ+ friendly. A lot of normies have jobs and don’t want to be fired so they’ll willingly participate in double think, at least at the surface level.

And corporations are quickly learning that, surprise, when you cater to an entire group of people with no steady income or even ambitions, you can't make a lot of money out of it.

I think even now, corporations are only supporting the QT+ because of political power/gains as right now the country is leaning Democrat for the moment. They have to already know by now that there's no direct money in the QT+, but they still need to make their political friends happy.

 

[Niggernerd]

The hope for the 41% to increase to 90%

 

[jje100010001]

And corporations are quickly learning that, surprise, when you cater to an entire group of people with no steady income or even ambitions, you can't make a lot of money out of it.

I think even now, corporations are only supporting the QT+ because of political power/gains as right now the country is leaning Democrat for the moment. They have to already know by now that there's no direct money in the QT+, but they still need to make their political friends happy.

Problem is that those organizations, in seeking that sort of equity and diversity, quickly become infested with the same types whom they try to cater towards.

Again, this is in larger part due to the fact that the woke are the only ones really willing to dump their time and lives into policing and furthering their cause, and take advantage of the average person's reluctance to be dragged through the mud or to endlessly fight against the vitriolic attacks that the woke favor.

So it's not only a matter of discovering that woke people don't really buy your stuff, but it's also discovering that the steering wheel no longer works as they're gotten control of the works, which can be almost, if not more terrifying.

 

[Gone Ham]

State-mandated Moonroofs for Troons is my motto as president

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Daily reminder that "troonism" will win for as long as you believe that the issue will resolve itself without stated viable actors as if we were talking about the El Niño phenomenon. Also, the pendulum society narrative is fallacious bullshit myopia on full display.

No, this isn't me being blackpilled. This is me telling you that expecting your problems to resolve themselves when they've gotten as bad as they have to begin with is an extremely bad habit and can only breed mediocrity, impotence, and greater indolence.

 

[Maurice Caine]

Daily reminder that "troonism" will win for as long as you believe that the issue will resolve itself without stated viable actors as if we were talking about the El Niño phenomenon. Also, the pendulum society narrative is fallacious bullshit myopia on full display.

No, this isn't me being blackpilled. This is me telling you that expecting your problems to resolve themselves when they've gotten as bad as they have to begin with is an extremely bad habit and can only breed mediocrity, impotence, and greater indolence.

What are we gonna do about it? Troonism is to the 2010s what Bell Bottoms were to 1975.

 

[Saint Alphonsus]

A movement built on irreversible catastrophic genital mutilation cannot reproduce itself, short of finding new recruits on a constant basis (you may know this as "grooming.")

 

[Sage In All Fields]

Imminent collapse of the west is coming, when that happens they'll be among the first to die off along with everyone else who follows their demonic ideology

 

[Zero Day Defense]

What are we gonna do about it?

Contribute to community organization in the best ways you can. Work as hard as possible to instill value and worth in the lives of any children you have instead of letting them float adrift as easy prey to whatever lurks on places like Twitter, DeviantArt, Tumblr, or whatever else. Use the say you rightfully have in your own community, and recognize your existence as part of it instead of free-floating as though you were an atom-- from there, figure out all the various ways you can contribute to its present and future welfare. Learn to cogently argue your viewpoints whenever necessary-- in the first place, understand your viewpoints. Ingrain yourself in already existing community organizations (e.g. the local PTA, your local church) as you can in order to actualize any potential energy they have to strengthen your community.

Discipline yourself in mind and body-- nobody will begin to take you or your ideas seriously if your stature is closer to that of a scrawny or adipose coomer-- put another way, you won't fix your community in any way with your dick in your hand.

Recognize that you're never free-- you'll always be a slave to something, but the benefit of liberty is that you are your own master. Subjugate yourself by your own hands so that nobody you don't know has the opportunity to do so by theirs. We aren't being robbed of our freedom-- we're willingly ceding our freedom because we don't recognize that we need to use it responsibly (i.e. live in liberty), and the insecurity that creates beckons the government to stabilize affairs at the cost of our freedom.

Come to peace with the fact that should you begin to be effective in your goals, you'll immediately be vilified by all kinds of people. Come to peace with the fact that the work you're undertaking is society-building and maintaining, and you likely won't see the change you want to see in your lifetime-- become comfortable with raising any children you have with the task of furthering and maintaining the foundation you've laid, or at least helping the children in your community be charged with said task.

The people who speak as though this issue will resolve itself because of some myopic historical conjecture or some idea that "the people" won't stand for this when some line is crossed (even though they've been allowing themselves to be trampled all the way up to this point on multiple fronts and have no might to oppose the present zeitgeist) do so either because

1) they bought the triumpalistic lie about the ultimate, inevitable low-effort defeat of the "SJW menace" (and thus have no understanding of the true scope of the specific problems that irritate them), or

2) they're aware to some extent of what needs to be done but aren't willing to make the requisite sacrifices to have a fighting chance (or, they've resigned to collapse because they figure not enough people will make said sacrifices).

They'll never achieve anything, and they'll very well be trampled upon by those who are willing to sacrifice, as misguided as they may be-- as they should.

A movement built on irreversible catastrophic genital mutilation cannot reproduce itself, short of finding new recruits on a constant basis (you may know this as "grooming.")

Expect that they will do so effectively and give them no chance to continue doing so.

 

[Clarence]

CONSPIRACY:
I don't think a lot of the trans shit going on these days is entirely organic

I wouldnt doubt some fucked up mind high up somewhere might be pushing it, but I feel like the big 3 factors are Pornography addiction, Chemicals in plastic and everything else we consume , and people spending their youth online talking to like minded people, going down rabbit holes, being secluded.
If people can swap bodies in the future, i dont know. If we eat from the tree of life, we're the gods. God help us.

 

[Unassuming Local Guy]

And corporations are quickly learning that, surprise, when you cater to an entire group of people with no steady income or even ambitions, you can't make a lot of money out of it.

I think even now, corporations are only supporting the QT+ because of political power/gains as right now the country is leaning Democrat for the moment. They have to already know by now that there's no direct money in the QT+, but they still need to make their political friends happy.

Point 1 is very important. To the corporations, troons are a single use resource. You go up to them, wave a flag in their face, and they'll give you all of their money because they are insane cultists. Thing is, that insanity generally speaking means they don't make any more money and trap themselves in a cycle of poverty entirely by their own volition. There's no reason to continue courting a troon after they've been bled dry, because the blood's never coming back. Simply throw the corpse away and find a fresh one to exploit.

Eventually, all the troons are going to be flat broke because of their terrible spending habits and inability to support themselves. Every single dollar every troon has ever made will be in the pockets of a corporation. At that point, pandering to them is no longer lucrative. In an instant, the locusts will change their heading and target a new demographic, leaving the old one behind to decay, alone.

The only reason the DNC "supports" them is because, like everything the DNC does, they are a weapon whose sole purpose is to destroy what's left of America so they can fill the power vacuum with their own. They rape your children and attack your wives and you can't do shit about it because that would be transphobic, and transphobes aren't people in Clown World.

Eventually the pendulum must swing back and people will start to fight even if it costs them their own freedom, at which point the weapon is ineffective and will be discarded. At that point the only option the troons will have will be to throw away their wig and whore makeup and hope to god nobody archived their Twitter account, because no matter who comes next, they will not tolerate their kind.

 

[NeoGAF Lurker]

Troonism already won. For the most part, it is just going to be sad girls who wear a binder to hide their tits until they find a boyfriend. The cock chopping won’t go away because there’s no incentive to. Even at its peak, society didn’t cheer on lobotomies like they do dick chopping. So that comparison is not going a valid one. The reason (((they))) push troonism is to subvert the already embattled nuclear family. To that point, as long as there’s a happy white couple, the push for troonism will continue unabated.

Theres no singular moment when troonism won but it happened 2015-2017 as activist groups moved quickly after gay marriage was legalized. Republicans at the 2016 debates could barely condemn it. Think about how gay marriage was treated in 2008 compared to troonism in 2016. The war was already lost by then.