What would motivate "young people" to vote? -

[-4ZURE-]

I don't disagree with you, but what about Trump winning by a landslide competing with the potential first female president?

I'm very drunk right now so don't think I'm being critical or anything.

Hillary was such a well known scandal candidate that her being the first female did not matter. Many basic liberals could not in good conscious vote for her. She was also a pretty standard do-nothing canidate, at least Obama had a vague change message that could sweep up the young of 2008. The final nail in the coffin is that she personally killed the young people revolution the second she rallied the party against Bernard. Bernie, for all his faults, was highly capable of getting the attention of young voters and actually getting them to take politics seriously, but having all their dreams dashed in real time during 2016 just created severe bitterness that has not left the Democrat party since.

Nowadays, it feels like the young who are motivated to vote are basically just going to go with Trump. They have had their politics built by YouTube stars like Ben Shapiro and whatever other anti-SJW channels lie out there. Bernie came back, but even as a former supporter, I feel that everyone knew his campaign was a ticking time-bomb that would inevitably get destroyed like 2016. His campaign felt more like a huge middle finger to the Dems than something legitimate as it really only made Bern-outs from 2016 angrier at the Dems and they used his second run to basically do everything they could to burn and divide the party.

 

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[Pointless Pedant]

Hillary was such a well known scandal candidate that her being the first female did not matter. Many basic liberals could not in good conscious vote for her. She was also a pretty standard do-nothing canidate, at least Obama had a vague change message that could sweep up the young of 2008. The final nail in the coffin is that she personally killed the young people revolution the second she rallied the party against Bernard. Bernie, for all his faults, was highly capable of getting the attention of young voters and actually getting them to take politics seriously, but having all their dreams dashed in real time during 2016 just created severe bitterness that has not left the Democrat party since.

Nowadays, it feels like the young who are motivated to vote are basically just going to go with Trump. They have had their politics built by YouTube stars like Ben Shapiro and whatever other anti-SJW channels lie out there. Bernie came back, but even as a former supporter, I feel that everyone knew his campaign was a ticking time-bomb that would inevitably get destroyed like 2016. His campaign felt more like a huge middle finger to the Dems than something legitimate as it really only made Bern-outs from 2016 angrier at the Dems and they used his second run to basically do everything they could to burn and divide the party.

The young vote always tends to lean D because of promises of public funding for education and health when people don't have much money. I wouldn't expect that to change this time, at least not drastically.

 

[-4ZURE-]

The young vote always tends to lean D because of promises of public funding for education and health when people don't have much money. I wouldn't expect that to change this time, at least not drastically.

This election could be different. I think in general more lean to D, but out of the ones who vote, I am feeling like Trump may gain the upper-hand potentially. A big thing for the Dems were that they were considered the counter-culture to the Religious Right for the past few elections, but now it seems the Republicans are taking that title. The Dems are placing the same sorts of censorship and high authority that the Religious did years ago, making themselves an enemy of the young. There is also the influence of Sanders who did get the young vote. Many do not at all care for Biden, or at worst, are super bitter after getting shoved out for 2 elections. I think in many ways the Dems have shown that they are not the party for the young, they are restrictive and clearly do not care for stuff that would aid the young such as free college or better healthcare. Their main audience just seems to be Gen X and early Millennial Obama fans. They are stuck in the past like the right was for years, even their advertising is more played to older generations, what with the Rocky Picture Horror Show reference ad and such. I just wonder how many would be willing to vote Biden and not just blow it off as why care. Many Dems already defeated themselves by saying Trump will win, so maybe the swing could happen? Maybe?

 

[Pointless Pedant]

This election could be different. I think in general more lean to D, but out of the ones who vote, I am feeling like Trump may gain the upper-hand potentially. A big thing for the Dems were that they were considered the counter-culture to the Religious Right for the past few elections, but now it seems the Republicans are taking that title. The Dems are placing the same sorts of censorship and high authority that the Religious did years ago, making themselves an enemy of the young. There is also the influence of Sanders who did get the young vote. Many do not at all care for Biden, or at worst, are super bitter after getting shoved out for 2 elections. I think in many ways the Dems have shown that they are not the party for the young, they are restrictive and clearly do not care for stuff that would aid the young such as free college or better healthcare. Their main audience just seems to be Gen X and early Millennial Obama fans. They are stuck in the past like the right was for years, even their advertising is more played to older generations, what with the Rocky Picture Horror Show reference ad and such. I just wonder how many would be willing to vote Biden and not just blow it off as why care. Many Dems already defeated themselves by saying Trump will win, so maybe the swing could happen? Maybe?

Culture war issues aren't the main reason young people voted D before, it was because of economics. In particular Obama 2008 was helped a lot by the fact that Bush was blamed for the recession. It's possible that Biden is so uninspiring they will vote Trump instead but I wouldn't count on it.

 

[-4ZURE-]

Culture war issues aren't the main reason young people voted D before, it was because of economics. In particular Obama 2008 was helped a lot by the fact that Bush was blamed for the recession. It's possible that Biden is so uninspiring they will vote Trump instead but I wouldn't count on it.

They sort of were though. Clinton was definitely a response to the Religious. He was probably the last, was never supposed to happen candidate prior to Trump. Clinton is constantly touted as being the one to bring in many liberal changes in culture from sexual liberation, gay rights, women’s rights, etc.. Much of Clinton was writing off the counter culture against the religious in the 80s. Gen X houses many life-long Dems for this reason. Obama and Bush definitely muddle things, but you can still see culture play a part, especially in 2008. SNL always seemed to portray Obama as the cool president and Republicans as bumbling idiots, especially Palin. Bush was mocked harshly in 2007 with works like Little Bush. In many ways, Bush was the last push for the religious to still have any control on culture, but they lost. While I get your point with Obama, that does not explain Clinton or even Reagan as I am pretty sure he was pushed more by young people in his time. In some ways, I think young people just try to correct the faults of the previous. Boomers used Reagan and traditionalism to combat Hippies, Clinton was used to combat traditionalism and religious bigotry, and now Trump is being used to combat left-wing insanity. Obama and Dubya were sort of what makes this weird. Religious were given a bit of a life-extension so that they could torment the Millenial generation into being Democrats during the 2000s. Obama has likely pushed Gen Z to be closer to the Boomers since his presidency is the main one we grew up with, so all of its issues are things that the young will want to break away from.

As a personal story, I was in high school as a sophomore in the last election, and they let us run a mock election of the two canidates. Shockingly, Trump won. And this is in a blue state mind you. Even recently, apparently Nickelodeon held a mock election for children where Trump won. Now, of course, Nickelodeon specifies that Biden actually won as someone took the time to bot a children’s network to vote Trump, but does anyone really believe that? I think a good chunk of the young are trending more Republican, my only concern in that idea are those that took to the riots and BLM. But part of me feels like this is clout chasing, IDK?

You could be right. Dems have harbored two generations consecutively, but I think their time may be running out.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

As I said, it's possible that Biden's campaign was so bad he lost the youth vote, but the general nature of Democratic platforms is that they appeal to people who don't have much money (tax funded services) and the very young don't. The Sanders enthusiasm was part of this, but he couldn't convince the boomers and lost. If the political alignments do reverse, it will be because of major mistakes on the Democratic side regarding threats of perpetual lockdowns ruining people's careers.

 

[Clockwork_PurBle]

I think there's a pretty strong divide with the current 18-25 group (and younger even though they can't vote). Wokeism gets memed on A LOT; I see it everywhere. People like Laci "5 Genders" Green and that other Milo Quinby person were the subject of much ridicule in their day, among others. Conversely you also have a portion of that age group that has bought into the 75 million genders, but from what I've seen online and offline it's either even of 60-40 in favor of sanity.

Hear me out on this: as of right now the "place to be" is YouTube, and who is currently (or arguably) the biggest star on YouTube? Pewdiepie. Rememeber when basically every news media outlet chose him as the scapegoat for defeating muh racism and illegal words? And how he came out swinging? You don't have to go very far to find a Pewdiepie video with comments making fun of Wall Street Journal, Vox, etc. and just generally talking shit about the MSM. New videos. You also don't have to go far to find people disavowing cancel culture in the comments. Similarly, they watched what happened to JonTron, and how he came out swinging. Nowadays anyone who still comments "raycccissss" on his new videos gets dogpiled. If I had the time I could probably remember more examples.

Simply put, these events redpilled a lot of youths who watched their favorite entertainer, who they know is a good guy, get slandered for money and wokepoints. It backfired on the MSM who now has a few generations who are growing up to hate and distrust them.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

I think there's a pretty strong divide with the current 18-25 group (and younger even though they can't vote). Wokeism gets memed on A LOT; I see it everywhere. People like Laci "5 Genders" Green and that other Milo Quinby person were the subject of much ridicule in their day, among others. Conversely you also have a portion of that age group that has bought into the 75 million genders, but from what I've seen online and offline it's either even of 60-40 in favor of sanity.

Hear me out on this: as of right now the "place to be" is YouTube, and who is currently (or arguably) the biggest star on YouTube? Pewdiepie. Rememeber when basically every news media outlet chose him as the scapegoat for defeating muh racism and illegal words? And how he came out swinging? You don't have to go very far to find a Pewdiepie video with comments making fun of Wall Street Journal, Vox, etc. and just generally talking shit about the MSM. New videos. You also don't have to go far to find people disavowing cancel culture in the comments. Similarly, they watched what happened to JonTron, and how he came out swinging. Nowadays anyone who still comments "raycccissss" on his new videos gets dogpiled. If I had the time I could probably remember more examples.

Simply put, these events redpilled a lot of youths who watched their favorite entertainer, who they know is a good guy, get slandered for money and wokepoints. It backfired on the MSM who now has a few generations who are growing up to hate and distrust them.

In my experience most are apolitical. If you start talking about 5 genders you'll be laughed at (by far more than 60-40 too), but they're not conservative either. That's why I said the economic incentives are more important. If the Democrats have angered them enough that they're flipping to vote R instead, that's the result of some catastrophic mistakes on their part.

 

[Clockwork_PurBle]

Yes I would say as a whole a lot of us are apolitical. Or rather we have opinions but we don't like to talk about it nor are we gung-ho about it. What I was saying was more belief-based instead of being on a certain team.

Personally I consider myself a right winger but publicly I don't say anything in that regard or just say "independent" if asked, which is rare.

I said in another thread, even if the younger generations invented 75 gorillion genders, it's the older ones in power that pander to it and institute it instead of shutting it down. It's the older ones that ensure "xir" is an option on a college application.

 

[-4ZURE-]

In my experience most are apolitical. If you start talking about 5 genders you'll be laughed at (by far more than 60-40 too), but they're not conservative either. That's why I said the economic incentives are more important. If the Democrats have angered them enough that they're flipping to vote R instead, that's the result of some catastrophic mistakes on their part.

I think another point is that Trump is kinda the most Democrat Republican there is, whereas Joe is probably the most Republican Democrat. If we are to take 2016 Bernie as a champion of the young, then his ideologies typically have more inter lapping with Donald then say Joe or Hillary. The two have similar speech patterns and ways of addressing people. Heck, I believe in 2016 they even held very close stances on border and guns. Hillary and Joe are basically nothing more than Obama 2.0. They seem to have very little to offer, even on the topics you believe young people move towards. It helps that Donald has been a powerhouse economically prior to Wu-Flu. If the young are listening to more Republican speakers, which they likely are as even Bernie voters were vocal about fake news, CNN bad, what have you! I think the young could easily be brought to be red.

They are a political, like you said. (More like Libertarian) But the young are definitely seeing Dems as bad either because they really do agree with Trump or are Bern-outs. I feel like most voting for Joe are doing it out of TDS over minorities rather than an actual desire.

Hear me out on this: as of right now the "place to be" is YouTube, and who is currently (or arguably) the biggest star on YouTube? Pewdiepie. Rememeber when basically every news media outlet chose him as the scapegoat for defeating muh racism and illegal words? And how he came out swinging? You don't have to go very far to find a Pewdiepie video with comments making fun of Wall Street Journal, Vox, etc. and just generally talking shit about the MSM. New videos. You also don't have to go far to find people disavowing cancel culture in the comments. Similarly, they watched what happened to JonTron, and how he came out swinging. Nowadays anyone who still comments "raycccissss" on his new videos gets dogpiled. If I had the time I could probably remember more examples.

I have met a handful of Shapiro worshippers in my high school days, YouTube does seem to be influencing the political climate. I was wrapped up into all this as early as Anita Sarkeesian, I am sure many others were as well, if not at latest 2016.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

I think another point is that Trump is kinda the most Democrat Republican there is, whereas Joe is probably the most Republican Democrat. If we are to take 2016 Bernie as a champion of the young, then his ideologies typically have more inter lapping with Donald then say Joe or Hillary. The two have similar speech patterns and ways of addressing people. Heck, I believe in 2016 they even held very close stances on border and guns. Hillary and Joe are basically nothing more than Obama 2.0. They seem to have very little to offer, even on the topics you believe young people move towards. It helps that Donald has been a powerhouse economically prior to Wu-Flu. If the young are listening to more Republican speakers, which they likely are as even Bernie voters were vocal about fake news, CNN bad, what have you! I think the young could easily be brought to be red.

They are a political, like you said. (More like Libertarian) But the young are definitely seeing Dems as bad either because they really do agree with Trump or are Bern-outs. I feel like most voting for Joe are doing it out of TDS over minorities rather than an actual desire.

I have met a handful of Shapiro worshippers in my high school days, YouTube does seem to be influencing the political climate. I was wrapped up into all this as early as Anita Sarkeesian, I am sure many others were as well, if not at latest 2016.

Goobergrape was pretty meaningless, most people have no idea what it even was. 2016 was the point where the culture wars really hit the mainstream.

 

[Disheveled Human]

Assuming you can build a system that was secure and not be able to be tampered with, either being able to do it online or through your phone. Voter turnout would be like 80%-90%. I hope it doesn't happen though people who want to vote should have to put some basic effort into it.

 

[DamageJoy]

The elections happening on a scale that is possible to interract with and actually having effects on our lives instead of getting in "representatives" who don't give a damn and have no way to even interract with their voters because there are millions of votes?

 

[CheezzyMach]

In my experience most are apolitical. If you start talking about 5 genders you'll be laughed at (by far more than 60-40 too), but they're not conservative either. That's why I said the economic incentives are more important. If the Democrats have angered them enough that they're flipping to vote R instead, that's the result of some catastrophic mistakes on their part.

In other words Gen Z is like most Americans and don't give a shit about politics *outside of maybe hating wokeshit but IDK if that counts as politics *.

 

[💗Bitchstopher Columbitch💗]

 

[Pissmaster]

I went with my parents to vote and voted for whomever they told me to cause they promised me tendies and I got my tendies and I’ll always vote because it means I get tendies

 

[JektheDumbass]

I went with my parents to vote and voted for whomever they told me to cause they promised me tendies and I got my tendies and I’ll always vote because it means I get tendies

I knew a guy whose grandparents bought him a BMW for voting for Bush. And to my knowledge still gives him the "vote for C or you're out of the will!" calls. Can't fault him tbh, at least he gets a direct benefit for his votes.

 

[💗Bitchstopher Columbitch💗]

The elections happening on a scale that is possible to interract with and actually having effects on our lives instead of getting in "representatives" who don't give a damn and have no way to even interract with their voters because there are millions of votes?

This particular election will probably have an effect. Biden clearly has no problem selling the USA to hostile foreign powers while Trump regularly shits in the establishment's lunchbox. See this thread: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/new-y...ed-about-hunters-dealings-with-ukraine.77635/

It's pretty long, but it's fun. Basically:
- Biden's crackhead son left a laptop full of porn and compromising e-mails at a computer repair shop, the contents are currently getting leaked
- The media and big websites like Twitter went out of their way to censor the leaks as hard as they could
- E-mails show that Biden committed literal treason while he was vice president under Obama
- The Trump impeachment scandal from a while ago turned out to be based on things the Bidens (and other politicians they're in bed with) have done
- They tried to impeach him because he wanted to look into some of their shady deals in Ukraine
- Now we know that Biden's crackhead son can balance skittles on his cock, has a foot fetish and occasionally faps to Thai ladyboys
There's also gossip that the said crackhead molested his niece, but there's nothing confirming that as far as I know.

Silicon Valley, most of the media and a large clique of corrupt politicians hate Trump. A vote for him seems to be a vote against them, even if he's also corrupt.

I knew a guy whose grandparents bought him a BMW for voting for Bush. And to my knowledge still gives him the "vote for C or you're out of the will!" calls. Can't fault him tbh, at least he gets a direct benefit for his votes.

Do they demand proof or can he just say "yeah mom I voted for X" while doing the opposite?

 

[Flip: Draw 2]

Some goddamn hope for change honestly.
Look at Bernie and Trump. Both promised REAL change at least in theory. In young people's eyes they were both beacons of hope to shake up the establishment.
We're not hyped about Biden because he's a boomer that uses the word "malarcky" and screams establishment. Trump isn't new anymore. He's been in office for 4 years. Another 4 won't lead to a new golden age or anything. We've seen him in action. It's just a choice between two flavors of status quo and that shit's boring.