What's the deal with the Alt-Right?

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I don't understand what the general term of "alt-right" is, and if it's meant to cover Trump supporters, I think it's retarded. But, if you're asking in general why this kind of a thing exists, allow me to explain.

Having grown up online in Northern Florida with two Bushes -- governor and president --, I was surrounded by religion and religious people, yet inundated with Leftist material. My mom is definitely anti-theist, my whole family is Democratic, and so is the Internet. It's pretty well known that the younger you are the more left you're likely to be. There were shows like Mind of Mencia and The Daily Show, who's ONLY MATERIAL was usually making fun of Bush. I religiously watched anti-religious documentaries by people like Bill Maher and Michael Moore. You grow up thinking that anyone who's religious or conservative is just some retarded brainwashed hick, a tool used by the corporations to continue electing themselves more power.

You now have an entire generation of white lower middle-class christian conservatives who have heard their entire lives that they are the dumbest shit hicks on the face of the entire planet. They're bad for being a man, they're bad for being white, they're bad for being Christian, they're bad for supporting traditional marriage and not supporting abortion rights. Whatever your opinion may be on political issues, these folk grew up hearing constantly how shit they are.

Y'know how people freak out over Islamophobia, saying that intolerance breeds extremism? It works both ways. If you're intolerant of people who are intolerant, you don't foster them into loving socialists who want gay muslim abortions. You turn them into Nazis who want all of this bullshit out of their fucking face and out of their fucking country.

And now all those angry pissed off rednecks who grew up with social media telling them they're shit constantly are at an age where they can vote. Hence, Trump. baybeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
 

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What's the deal with the alt-right?

Rampant inbreeding, heavy-metals poisoning, cranial trauma, bigotry established by fanatical religious beliefs, Luddite-esque denial of proven scientific facts, socialized ignorance, monolithic stupidity, or some unholy mix of all of the above.

Take your pick. Tinfoil hats, M-16's & bibles are optional.
 

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What's the deal with the alt-right?

Rampant inbreeding, heavy-metals poisoning, cranial trauma, bigotry established by fanatical religious beliefs, Luddite-esque denial of proven scientific facts, socialized ignorance, monolithic stupidity, or some unholy mix of all of the above.

Take your pick. Tinfoil hats, M-16's & bibles are optional.
...you really don't know what the alt-right is, do you?
 

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What's the deal with the alt-right?

Rampant inbreeding, heavy-metals poisoning, cranial trauma, bigotry established by fanatical religious beliefs, Luddite-esque denial of proven scientific facts, socialized ignorance, monolithic stupidity, or some unholy mix of all of the above.

Take your pick. Tinfoil hats, M-16's & bibles are optional.

You're describing the completely normal right, though.
 

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No, the Dark Enlightenment is too autistic even for Alt-Righers.

From what I understand, one of the biggest Dark Enlightenment / NeoReaction proponents is a blogger called Mencius Moldbug, who has literally written hundreds of blog posts about Monarchism and 17th century literature.

While the Alt-Rights may (jokingly or seriously) blame the Jews for ruining the world, Moldbug picked a different religion: Calvinists. And Moldbug calls the ruling political and social order of these Calvinists "The Cathedral", despite the fact Calvinists don't build cathedrals.

I forgot where I read it, but I once heard someone say that the funniest thing about how alt-righters accuse the left of building a "cathedral" is that they themselves tend to worship traditional monarchist Catholicism, which, you guessed it, was known for building cathedrals.
 

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I don't understand what the general term of "alt-right" is, and if it's meant to cover Trump supporters, I think it's retarded. But, if you're asking in general why this kind of a thing exists, allow me to explain.

Having grown up online in Northern Florida with two Bushes -- governor and president --, I was surrounded by religion and religious people, yet inundated with Leftist material. My mom is definitely anti-theist, my whole family is Democratic, and so is the Internet. It's pretty well known that the younger you are the more left you're likely to be. There were shows like Mind of Mencia and The Daily Show, who's ONLY MATERIAL was usually making fun of Bush. I religiously watched anti-religious documentaries by people like Bill Maher and Michael Moore. You grow up thinking that anyone who's religious or conservative is just some retarded brainwashed hick, a tool used by the corporations to continue electing themselves more power.

You now have an entire generation of white lower middle-class christian conservatives who have heard their entire lives that they are the dumbest shit hicks on the face of the entire planet. They're bad for being a man, they're bad for being white, they're bad for being Christian, they're bad for supporting traditional marriage and not supporting abortion rights. Whatever your opinion may be on political issues, these folk grew up hearing constantly how shit they are.

Y'know how people freak out over Islamophobia, saying that intolerance breeds extremism? It works both ways. If you're intolerant of people who are intolerant, you don't foster them into loving socialists who want gay muslim abortions. You turn them into Nazis who want all of this bullshit out of their fucking face and out of their fucking country.

And now all those angry pissed off rednecks who grew up with social media telling them they're shit constantly are at an age where they can vote. Hence, Trump. baybeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Yes, exactly this; it's basically being labeled a subhuman. No matter how smart, educated, or prosperous you are, you're mentally and socially defective. No matter how much time and money you give to charity, even if it's more than your political opposition, you're selfish. No matter how equally you treat people or how slow to judge you are, you're heartless and narrow-minded. Why? Because you dare to disagree. And worse, those who do claim the right beliefs are given a free pass for every crime and flaw of which you're casually accused, while being considered "good people".

Ask yourself why anyone should want the respect of someone who will always, always find fault with you on the most personal level, questioning even your worth as a human being, just because you don't agree with them. Ask yourself why anyone should give one flying damn about the opinion of someone who, no matter what you do or who you are, will still insist on holding up a picture of Ernest T. Bass and saying "Hurr hurr, that's you!"

Some of the alt-right--well, the bits that aren't a bunch of angry people experiencing delayed adolescence due to repressive social conditions--some of it is what happens when the dehumanized right-winger asks those questions. (Or you get me, who just shrugs it all off and does what I do regardless because I know who I am. But mostly alt-right.)
 

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Ask yourself why anyone should want the respect of someone who will always, always find fault with you on the most personal level, questioning even your worth as a human being, just because you don't agree with them. Ask yourself why anyone should give one flying damn about the opinion of someone who, no matter what you do or who you are, will still insist on holding up a picture of Ernest T. Bass and saying "Hurr hurr, that's you!"

Not to justify leftist BS, but that's what the alt-right also wants to do to people not with them

Hence, all the Pinochet helicopter and oven memes

The purge-happy members
 

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Not to justify leftist BS, but that's what the alt-right also wants to do to people not with them

Hence, all the Pinochet helicopter and oven memes

The purge-happy members

Do you know what "edgelording" is? They're doing it to get a rise out of you and to enjoy a little "naughty" fun. You're way overrating their maturity.

For cryin' out loud, look at the composition of the "alt-right". They're all the hell over the place, demographically: straights and gays and everything in between, whites and blacks and whatever else you have, and everything from the most hardcore fundamentalist religious types to atheists. They don't even know who's alt-right and who's not, for that matter.

Don't go overgeneralizing. That's where this all started.
 

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Do you know what "edgelording" is? They're doing it to get a rise out of you and to enjoy a little "naughty" fun. You're way overrating their maturity.

For cryin' out loud, look at the composition of the "alt-right". They're all the hell over the place, demographically: straights and gays and everything in between, whites and blacks and whatever else you have, and everything from the most hardcore fundamentalist religious types to atheists. They don't even know who's alt-right and who's not, for that matter.

Don't go overgeneralizing. That's where this all started.

There's the edgelords, there's the true believers pretending to be edgelords, there's the true believers

I should've said "most of the alt-right" instead

but it's still hard to guess if they're sincere because, as you said, they're all the hell over the place
 

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There's the edgelords, there's the true believers pretending to be edgelords, there's the true believers

I should've said "most of the alt-right" instead

but it's still hard to guess if they're sincere because, as you said, they're all the hell over the place

And as long as you insist that people who disagree with you must be truly evil deep down, you're just going to alienate more of them and make them wonder what you're so afraid of.

I compared these guys to adolescents, and it's not untrue. For the most part (to the extreme "most", in fact), they only had a sort of "awakening" moment within the last few years. It's hard to say what that is on an individual level, but they suddenly realized that the world isn't what it's been presented as, or at least what they were willing to believe it was. They questioned. Then they found this transgressive little corner of the Internet, and behold, it was full of people just like themselves--people who might call them names, but who didn't assume that they were inherently morons or monsters clean through, people who were at least willing to admit that the questions were valid.

Most of them--and yes, I spent enough time in close-range observation to get a feel for these guys, which is more than most people have who just write them off as HITLER OMG--are just trying on these ideas like a kid tries on identities. Most of them will figure out something doesn't work, or isn't moral, and move on. Yes, you've got your dumbasses like Aurini and your scam artists like Roosh, but for the most part, you get guys like Cane Caldo or Donal Graeme, who are actually fairly mild-mannered and moral-minded, and just trying to figure out why life didn't work like they were told it did. There's no uniformity of doctrine among them. Many of them don't even like each other, much less agree with the Master Plan to Restore the Fatherland.

I realize that you're probably not going to believe me, because you've been told all your life that people who disagree with you do so out of some kind of mental or moral defectiveness. But hey, if you want to make more of them by insisting they want to kill and eat your children, you go right ahead. I have a lot of popcorn and I'm prepared to use it.
 

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Yes, exactly this; it's basically being labeled a subhuman. No matter how smart, educated, or prosperous you are, you're mentally and socially defective. No matter how much time and money you give to charity, even if it's more than your political opposition, you're selfish. No matter how equally you treat people or how slow to judge you are, you're heartless and narrow-minded. Why? Because you dare to disagree. And worse, those who do claim the right beliefs are given a free pass for every crime and flaw of which you're casually accused, while being considered "good people".

Politics is a vile pit of iniquity. When you have a successful trope like your opposition being inbred morons without exception and essentially identical to the mutants from The Hills Have Eyes, you're going to push that shit. Like wartime propaganda, it works. It's also about as true as wartime propaganda.

There's usually something to it, otherwise people would just reject it entirely, but it's more or less bullshit.

More people should realize that hurling slurs at the opposition, while fun, is not actually fighting pure evil.
 

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People like to criticize the Reagan-era Republicans, but, at least they'd sit down and talk to the Ted Kennedys of the world and not block everything he did with threats of going all the way to the Supreme Court. The stubborn contrariness of the the modern right is 90% of the reason I left it. The other 10% was their shameless catering to assorted God-fearing loonies.

I'm ready for my downvotes!
 

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I'd like to make this clear

Truth be told, it's not hate that I feel towards them, instead it's deep curiosity.

I do understand the reasons that make them go to the alt-right. I understand how's it like to be alienated and shit on for having different views. I know what it's like to see your cherished institutions (gaming, comic, etc.) being censored, torn apart because some minority might get offended over it.

But I cannot bring myself to hate them. Or to believe that they're truly evil or insane deep down. (like most SJWs)