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Coconut Gun

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If you're religious, God made the Universe, but where did he come from? Just, poof, from outta nowhere? And if you're a sciencefag, shit started with the big bang, but where the fuck did that come from? And even if you take a guess for either of those, where did that come from? Why the fuck does everything exist in the first place instead of just not existing?
 

Al Gulud

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The great spaghetti lord has always been here knave. His grand noodles move in an everlasting circle starting from the very beginning to the end.There is no point when he, may the blessings of sauce be upon him, has not existed and there is no point where he will stop existing.
 

Rokko

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Maybe its all a cycle with no start and no end? Also, I guess our brain is probably too small to ever understand that.

I guess when humans can live for 200 or 300 years, people can learn more in their lifetime and thus understand all of that shit better.

Just imagine you can study physics and medicine parallely, and still only lived for 1/10th or 1/15th of your life? People have mored cross over knowledge which I think might be usefull to develop the theory of everything. Which still would be only a fraction of the knowledge we need .
 

Dutch Courage

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The problem, as I see it, is the linear notion of time.

If we believe in the notion that time is linear, then one would say the Big Bang happened at the beginning of time. That leaves us with a conundrum: how can there be a beginning of linear time? If we can estimate that the Big Bang occurred 13.8 billion years ago, then what existed a year before that? The answer that "there was no year before that" is not very satisfying. The alternate answer that there was time before the big bang, but nothing existed is even less satisfying.

The notion of Eternal Return gets around this. Eternal Return is the notion that time is circular, not linear. The universe is recurring. The ancient Indians and Egyptians saw time in this way, and in fact most pre-Judeo/Christian religions did. Nietzsche was one of the few Westerners in the Christian era to be a proponent of Eternal Return.

There are many ways one could imagine Eternal Return, but one way we could think of it is like this:

We are on an endless circular loop of time in which there is a Big Bang, a universe expansion, a universe contraction, and a complete collapse of the universe into a superdense pinhead of all matter, which then explodes into a new big bang, and the cycle continues forever. Kind of the heartbeat of the universe in a way...

Some, like Nietzsche, take this to mean that we have an infinite number of existences, and we repeat our same lives over and over. I find that notion to be very unlikely and undesirable. I would assume that while the same matter expands and contracts over and over again, it is in a different configuration every time. So there would be no Earth and no us next cycle, but there will be a new universe. Until it collapses too and is regenerated by another Big Bang in yet another configuration, over and over.

This doesn't solve the question of where matter comes from in the first place, so it does not automatically render God or a creator irrelevant. But it would solve the problems that the linear notion of time creates.
 

Dial M for Misgender

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The problem, as I see it, is the linear notion of time.

If we believe in the notion that time is linear, then one would say the Big Bang happened at the beginning of time. That leaves us with a conundrum: how can there be a beginning of linear time? If we can estimate that the Big Bang occurred 13.8 billion years ago, then what existed a year before that? The answer that "there was no year before that" is not very satisfying. The alternate answer that there was time before the big bang, but nothing existed is even less satisfying.

The notion of Eternal Return gets around this. Eternal Return is the notion that time is circular, not linear. The universe is recurring. The ancient Indians and Egyptians saw time in this way, and in fact most pre-Judeo/Christian religions did. Nietzsche was one of the few Westerners in the Christian era to be a proponent of Eternal Return.

There are many ways one could imagine Eternal Return, but one way we could think of it is like this:

We are on an endless circular loop of time in which there is a Big Bang, a universe expansion, a universe contraction, and a complete collapse of the universe into a superdense pinhead of all matter, which then explodes into a new big bang, and the cycle continues forever. Kind of the heartbeat of the universe in a way...

Some, like Nietzsche, take this to mean that we have an infinite number of existences, and we repeat our same lives over and over. I find that notion to be very unlikely and undesirable. I would assume that while the same matter expands and contracts over and over again, it is in a different configuration every time. So there would be no Earth and no us next cycle, but there will be a new universe. Until it collapses too and is regenerated by another Big Bang in yet another configuration, over and over.

This doesn't solve the question of where matter comes from in the first place, so it does not automatically render God or a creator irrelevant. But it would solve the problems that the linear notion of time creates.

Except that now we know the rate of expansion of the universe is accelerating, which is not what you'd see if it were ever going to collapse (a "Big Crunch").
 

Dutch Courage

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Except that now we know the rate of expansion of the universe is accelerating, which is not what you'd see if it were ever going to collapse.

What will happen is determined ultimately by the mass of all matter and dark matter combined, which we have no way of measuring. Its acceleration only means we are still early in the curve. If there is enough of it, the curve will crest and acceleration will stop. If there isn't, the curve will turn upward and acceleration will continue. If that happens, then future "big bangs" would depend on the shape of the universe itself, which is also fairly unknowable...
 

GODREKCUF

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I have bad news for you all, considering that this world in not the only one, we may be like forever OFF from the source of all things among infinite amount of worlds and dimensions including different logics

so basically it all exist on paper for a reason, but our life is pretty useless at all... if we exist afterlife then I believe most of us just have sex or sleeps/fantasy about their better lives
 

ConcernedAnon

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If it turns out that there is a god, I bet they probably don't know either. I'm sure it keeps them up at night

I think this is one of those unanswerable questions; even if you can figure out why we exist, you'd have to figure out why the conditions that led to us exist existed, and so on and so forth. I can't see how you'd ever find an end to the questions, so at some point you'd just have to accept the existence of something or other as an axiom
 
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