Who was the right side of WW1 -

[TFT-A9]

WW1 was a tardfight between European royals over more or less the same dumb shit they had been having tardfights over for the century before then. This tardfight dragged a bunch of other tards into it, and most of the participants came out of the mess absolutely wrecked. Then some of the tards decided to bully the tards that lost even harder, operating on the apparent assumption that it would NEVER come back to bite them in their tard asses.

Also, a bunch of normal people got killed because these tards were also massive assholes who were incapable of just settling their retarded feuds with pistols at dawn and leaving everyone fucking else the hell out of their tard shit.

The only even remotely bright point of the whole affair is that it lit a fire under the USA's ass in regards to developing and keeping a modern, well-trained armed forces. The USA got to basically cut its teeth on real aerial combat, in particular.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

There was no right side of WW1, just like how there are no right sides in any wars.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

WW1 was a fucking dumpster fire that we should have never been involved in.

 

[Emperor Julian]

WW1 was a fucking dumpster fire that we should have never been involved in.

As I recall the Germans were quite insistant you join the fun.

 

[Johan Schmidt]

As I recall the Germans were quite insistant you join the fun.

I'm British. As I recall we jumped balls deep into that clusterfuck under bullshit pretenses that are in a large part due to our own fuckery on the continent for years. I also remember one of my history teachers unironically arguing that 'poor belgium' (Her words) needed protection from an evil Germany Imperialist mindset. Fucking Belgium!

 

[Emperor Julian]

I'm British. As I recall we jumped balls deep into that clusterfuck under bullshit pretenses that are in a large part due to our own fuckery on the continent for years. I also remember one of my history teachers unironically arguing that 'poor belgium' (Her words) needed protection from an evil Germany Imperialist mindset. Fucking Belgium!

Ah my mistake, our islands policy is historically built around the prevention of a centralized superpower in europe. Most moves we made were on this until our failure with the soviet union. In terms of strategy and realpolitik it was the correct move, a unified German super empire would have been a major threat to our long terms survival. If we made an error it was the presumption that a large power of comparative strength would be short simple matter. Guessing all those wars against cultures which didnt have a snowballs change in hell us made us complacent.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

The eternal anglo is evil so the Central Powers ofc

 

[mindlessobserver]

World War 1 ruined everything. There was no right side to it, because no side wanted to murder every last fucking Serb for setting in motion the precipitous decline of western civilization and the rise of communism and fascism. If Austria, Russia and France had decided to murder all the Serbs instead of each other there would have been no Lenin, and No hitler.

Fucking Serbs man. They ruined everything.

 

[Imposteroak]

I agree that by the time the war was done there were really no good guys, gross incompetence and disregard for life among military leaders on both sides lead to so many pointless deaths and in the end only to set the stage for it all happen again. While I also agree with kiwis who say the war wasnt technically pointless. (IMO probably going to happen one way or another.) Though i think all gains were rendered pretty pointless by the mountain of corpses and generation of traumatised young men it took to get there.

 

[Just_Somebody]

There's no good guys, just less amounts of suck in World War 1. The United States probably stands out best, just because they avoided most of the stupidity during the war.

However, Woodrow Wilson was a piece of shit both domestically and foreign policy wise.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

There's no good guys, just less amounts of suck in World War 1. The United States probably stands out best, just because they avoided most of the stupidity during the war.

However, Woodrow Wilson was a piece of shit both domestically and foreign policy wise.

There was an objective good side which was the central powers because they represented the reactionary world view. Woodrow wilson was a piece of shit because he was an inflexible liberal, he sent American troops to Mexico and he was shocked to find out the Mexicans didn't like him there. When he proposed to his new wife, as the joke goes, "she fell out of bed with shock." Wilson really wasn't a good guy, and by extension the United States as well. IF your country is led by a self righteous man then what comes out of your involvement will certainly be bad.

Also there was no "stupidity" in WW1. I can admit that there were stupid maneuvers (like when Austria lost 500,000k men in the first few months of the war), but developments in warfare don't come without growing pains, and to expect otherwise would be ignorant. The numerous casualities caused by the war were necessary and, from the perspective of a social darwinist, good.

 

[Just_Somebody]

There was an objective good side which was the central powers because they represented the reactionary world view.

I do somewhat agree that a Triple Alliance victory in WW1 could have had a better outcome for human history. However, the destruction of the Ottoman Empire was well deserved. If anything, it should have been ruined even further, like returning Constantinople to Greece. However, the slicing up of the corpse of the Ottoman Empire was poorly handled by the British and French.

Woodrow wilson was a piece of shit because he was an inflexible liberal, he sent American troops to Mexico and he was shocked to find out the Mexicans didn't like him there. When he proposed to his new wife, as the joke goes, "she fell out of bed with shock." Wilson really wasn't a good guy, and by extension the United States as well. IF your country is led by a self righteous man then what comes out of your involvement will certainly be bad.

A liberal is the wrong word. He was an internationalist/globalist, and on top of that, a segregationist (god damn the US Democrats have come full circle)

Also there was no "stupidity" in WW1. I can admit that there were stupid maneuvers (like when Austria lost 500,000k men in the first few months of the war), but developments in warfare don't come without growing pains, and to expect otherwise would be ignorant. The numerous casualities caused by the war were necessary and, from the perspective of a social darwinist, good.

I don't disagree that new technologies made warfare more bloody, but the conflict was an atrocious meat grinder for years. The Americans avoided most of said meat grinder, which is to their credit.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

A liberal is the wrong word. He was an internationalist/globalist, and on top of that, a segregationist (god damn the US Democrats have come full circle)

Wilson was a globalist, but when I say "liberal" I mean the classical definition (like how dumbfuck sargon describes himself). A more apt term for Wilson would be "republican," as in he believed that "democracy is the best form of government to ever exist and if you're not a democratic person then you're a piece of shit."

The Americans avoided most of said meat grinder, which is to their credit.

The Americans elected Wilson in 1916 on the basis that he wouldn't go to war, in fact Wilson's entire campaign was anti-war. but then the wealthy American and British industrialists orchestrated the sinking of the Lusitania (which Wilson, no doubt, had a hand in), forcing America into the war. So I guess you're right in that the American people were against entering the war, but most of the time it's not people's decision to go to war so it balances out I suppose.

 

[Slap47]

WW1 was a tardfight between European royals over more or less the same dumb shit they had been having tardfights over for the century before then. This tardfight dragged a bunch of other tards into it, and most of the participants came out of the mess absolutely wrecked. Then some of the tards decided to bully the tards that lost even harder, operating on the apparent assumption that it would NEVER come back to bite them in their tard asses.

Also, a bunch of normal people got killed because these tards were also massive assholes who were incapable of just settling their retarded feuds with pistols at dawn and leaving everyone fucking else the hell out of their tard shit.

The only even remotely bright point of the whole affair is that it lit a fire under the USA's ass in regards to developing and keeping a modern, well-trained armed forces. The USA got to basically cut its teeth on real aerial combat, in particular.

None of the royals actually wanted the war. The problem is that they had given up most of their power to bureaucracies that made bad decisions.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

United Kingdom, 2/5 Villainy: The British failed to their honor secret agreement with France, and only entered war due to public agreement with Belgium. The British made secret treaties throughout the war that were all dishonored. This lead to a century of chaos in places such as the middle-east. Their propaganda machine was the best and lied the most. For example, the German decision to execute nurses for spying was the centerpiece of British propaganda but those nurses actually were spies. The British executed German nurses who were spies and the Germans simply admitted they were spies.

I figure the UK gets a 2/5 for me (if we translate that color code into a five-point scale) because of their propaganda campaign against the US. As I recall, they had a monopoly on the only Transatlantic cable, which meant that their Babies-on-Bayonets propaganda got to swarm America while German propaganda struggled to get through. The result being that they basically tricked the American public. Add in their complicity in crap like Lusitania, the fact that they also blockaded Germany (with mines, that can't distinguish between civilian and warship AT ALL) but nobody gave them any shit about it. Then, they're clearly the wrong side of the Irish Revolution. Treatment of their colonial troops was pretty bad.

The causes of Britain entering the world, however, are noble, and they were unprovoked in that regard.

French Republic, 1/5 Villainy: Was invaded by Germany based on the understanding that France would support Russia based on their alliance. France had very little revanchism regarding Alsace Lorraine at this point and their alliance was entirely defensive. Large portions of France were occupied and made uninhabitable as the result of the war. The French were "bled white" by the war and wanted Germany harshly punished. After the war they occupied Germany to extract reparations but abandoned that program for delayed payments. They used the war to expand their empire.

I gave them a 3 because I reckoned they were pretty much guaranteed to join with Russia. But if you don't take that for granted, then that falls apart and they do become a 1, unprovoked attack. I don't hold Versailles against them that much since the Germans were themselves punitive towards their enemies, and like you siad, but it is a real bad look that they were pretty much the only ones pushing it hard among the powers.

German Empire, 4/5 Villainy: Kaiser Wilhelm irresponsibly declared that he would support Austria. This blank cheque empowered Austria-Hungary to act push for war. During the war the Germans were the first to commit war crimes via chemical weapons and unrestricted submarine warfare. The German high command were strongly influenced by the ideas of Lebensraum and wanted to transform eastern Europe into a feudal society dominated by ethnic Germans. Such societies already existed in the Baltic states. The Germans actively sabotaged their economy to avoid paying war reparations.

I'm 100% on Germany's side when it comes to Serbia, Austria, and Russia. Where it gets to be a problem is the extra step of attacking France (understandable strategically but weak morally), and then they fuck up by attacking a neutral (Belgium) just because it's expedient, which alone means they can't be any lower than a 3. However, I only recently learned that the Allies invaded Greece unprovoked, because it was expedient, so maybe the Allies need to be upgraded a step, even if Germany isn't downgraded one.

The Germans were real bastards in how they conducted war, generally being the ones to escalate things, and notorious destroyers of artwork and architecture. Their conduct in Belgium wasn't babies-on-bayonets but it was appalling. Germans are disgusting to where even if they're morally justified, in at least parts of it, it feels bad if they win.

Austro-Hungarian Empire, 4/5 Villainy: Konrad Von Hotsendorf, his general staff the Hungarian parliament wanted to dominate the slavs. They intentionally made overbearing demands that would be rejected and were surprised when all but one was denied. They went to war anyway and their army was crippled due to ethnic conflicts within the military. They had expected to get their way as they were the only great power to not have used their one free pass to get whatever they want during a crisis. Russia had been able to bully Poland, France was given a pass during the Morocco crisis, etc.

I gave them a 2 because Serbia had been belligerent towards all of its neighbors for a long time, and needed cutting down to size. Fuck Serbia. They don't get a 1 because they

Ottoman Empire, 5/5 Villainy: The Ottomans were forced into the war by a clique of officers who orchestrated an attack on Russia. These officers mismanaged the army. Envar Pasha lost a whole army invading the Caucasian mountains during the winter without the proper equipment. The Ottomans were crushed at Suez but were able to survive thanks to the leadership of Attaturk. The bad situation of the war was blamed on ethnic minorities instead of mismanagement. This resulted in several genocides against groups like the Greeks, Armenians, and Assyrians. The Armenian genocide was used to create the word genocide.

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Russian Empire, 3/5 Villainy: Russia was the protector of the Slavs and so declared war on Austria in defense of Serbia. They were allied with France to contain Germany. Germany declared war on Russia and annihilated the Russian military over the course of 3 years. The Czar was incompetent and being cucked by a magical homeless man but he meant well. He willingly conceded power but foolishly remained in the country. His oppressive empire was replaced by the just as oppressive USSR.

Asshole Serbia acts up and Russia threatens to defend the little punks. Their involvement is the incentive to go to war with France so Russia, to me, is ultimately the cause of escalation, not Germany or Austria, because Russia could have just fucked off and let Germany and Austria give Serbia the beat-down they had coming. Russian soldiers were also vile barbarians, incredibly cruel.

United States of America , 0/5 Villainy: Germany began sinking American shipping as part of their policy of unrestricted submarine warfare. This policy resulted in the sinking of civilian ships (that were carrying weapons). The Germans also violated the Monroe doctrine by trying to manipulate Mexico into fighting the USA. It is very unlikely that these were the reasons as few people wanted war despite these atrocities and violations of American honor. Regardless, the USA funded the allied effort through loans and finished off Germany with their soldiers. The US policy during the treaty of Versailles was the promotion of national self-determination and democracy. After the war the USA went to great efforts to stabilize Europe through economic schemes and diplomatic intervention.

I suppose the US doesn't deserve any villainy, but I do say that the German submarine warfare is basically the same as the British minefields, and the Americans didn't bitch about the British minefields; in fact, I seem to recall instances of Brits illegally harassing American shipping. Basically, the US played favorites and so it doesn't deserve to complain about the subs, but neither is the US obligated to take the damages without fighting back.

 

[Fougaro]

Right or wrong isn't necessarily applicable in World War I as it was merely a culmination of various diplomatic clusterfucks.

In the years preceding the war however, Austria-Hungary took the question of "On how many layers of being a massive insufferable faggot are you?" as a challenge.

 

[FaramirG]

Right or wrong isn't necessarily applicable in World War I as it was merely a culmination of various diplomatic clusterfucks.

In the years preceding the war however, Austria-Hungary took the question of "On how many layers of being a massive insufferable faggot are you?" as a challenge.

Germany did its best too, with Wilhelm thinking the best way to smooth things over with the UK was to do an interview with a British paper where he called them all lunatics. if Bismarck had been alive to see that shit he would have had an aneurysm.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

Thinking that there was a good side in ww1 is trying to take a new world order age theory type thinking and applying it to a world where that thinking didn't even exist. How can you even pose that question unironically? Who was good side in the war of Spanish succession? idk, who cares?

Germany did its best too, with Wilhelm thinking the best way to smooth things over with the UK was to do an interview with a British paper where he called them all lunatics. if Bismarck had been alive to see that shit he would have had an aneurysm.

classic bismarck cock sucker. bismarck was too old for his time, he couldn't keep up with Wilhelm's new age radical extreme (in more ways than one) thinking, Wilhelm was on track to make Germany a world power, and Bismarck's dumb mongrel diplomacy shit tried to make Germany non-power.

 

[Foltest]

I don't know who was the real good guy (the winner were the nordics becuase we were netural) but biggest bastard was Konrad von Hottsendorff. What a pos he was.

 

[Samson Pumpkin Jr.]

I don't know who was the real good guy (the winner were the nordics becuase we were netural) but biggest bastard was Konrad von Hottsendorff. What a pos he was.

Conrad von Hotzendorf was a military genius