Why are Gen-Z's so fascist? -

queerape

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I'd wait a couple of years before making a judgement on this, as a fair number of these kids are around 15, which is when a lot of people hold edgy or spergy views just because they want to get a rise out of adults/shock people. This goes away with time, when you realize that being 3edgy5u gets you nowhere and you actually look like a massive fucking tool.
 

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I'd wait a couple of years before making a judgement on this, as a fair number of these kids are around 15, which is when a lot of people hold edgy or spergy views just because they want to get a rise out of adults/shock people. This goes away with time, when you realize that being 3edgy5u gets you nowhere and you actually look like a massive fucking tool.
if/when the cultural pendulum swings left again in a generation or two, expect 4chan teens to rapidly become tankies then grow out of it, while the MSM freaks out about how we're raising a bunch of stalinists and aging revleft pervs triumphantly proclaim the rise of "gen mArX" or something equally inane
 
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queerape

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if or when the cultural pendulum swings left again in a generation or two, expect 4chan teens to rapidly adopt tankieism then grow out of it, while the MSM freaks out about how we're raising a bunch of stalinists and aging revleft antifa furries triumphantly proclaim the rise of "gen mArX" or something equally inane
You seem to be implying (though I may be misunderstanding you) that the current paradigm/ culture is a marxist one. The only question I'd have for that is that there is a distinction between radical liberalism and Marxism, and I'm not sure if you may be conflating the two. SJ stuff, diversity as it's popularly conceived (check your privilege, silly pronouns, metoo) is actually a conclusion of individualist classical liberalism, which has a tendency to atomize identity to the individual. That's why you see these highly customized identities.

On the other hand, Marxism emphasizes the collective, and de-emphasizes markers of race, gender etc in favor of class dynamics, and instead suggests that oppression will resolve itself once workers abolish capitalism and establish a communist state by taking control of their own labor and production and removing the boss from the equation. This though is contingent on labor rights, which in the United States at least have been heavily eroded since Regan and his neocon/laissez faire crowd took hold. Marxists actually see identity politics as counter productive, as it divides people as opposes to uniting them as members of the same working class, and Marxists actually tend to be AGAINST SJWs, not for them.

So the paradigm right now is hardly Marxist. If it was ever, that was in the 1960s, when Unions were strong, before the 1980s. Economically, things have been pretty right for a long time, and while you may argue that it's distinct from social practice, under Marxist and far left/ revleft thought the two are one and the same and the distinction is irrelevant if there were a marxist climate if that makes any sense.

I just want to be sure you understand the distinction, that radical SJW liberalism (and postmodernism, it's close cousin) have it's roots in classical liberalism, while Marxism comes from a different strain of thought.
 

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You seem to be implying (though I may be misunderstanding you) that the current paradigm/ culture is a marxist one. The only question I'd have for that is that there is a distinction between radical liberalism and Marxism, and I'm not sure if you may be conflating the two. SJ stuff, diversity as it's popularly conceived (check your privilege, silly pronouns, metoo) is actually a conclusion of individualist classical liberalism, which has a tendency to atomize identity to the individual. That's why you see these highly customized identities.

On the other hand, Marxism emphasizes the collective, and de-emphasizes markers of race, gender etc in favor of class dynamics, and instead suggests that oppression will resolve itself once workers abolish capitalism and establish a communist state by taking control of their own labor and production and removing the boss from the equation. This though is contingent on labor rights, which in the United States at least have been heavily eroded since Regan and his neocon/laissez faire crowd took hold. Marxists actually see identity politics as counter productive, as it divides people as opposes to uniting them as members of the same working class, and Marxists actually tend to be AGAINST SJWs, not for them.

So the paradigm right now is hardly Marxist. If it was ever, that was in the 1960s, when Unions were strong, before the 1980s. Economically, things have been pretty right for a long time, and while you may argue that it's distinct from social practice, under Marxist and far left/ revleft thought the two are one and the same and the distinction is irrelevant if there were a marxist climate if that makes any sense.

I just want to be sure you understand the distinction, that radical SJW liberalism (and postmodernism, it's close cousin) have it's roots in classical liberalism, while Marxism comes from a different strain of thought.
I agree, the cultural consensus is definitely liberal, not Marxist. What I was getting at is that like the alt-right was an extreme right-wing reaction to a mildly left-liberal culture, you could see extreme leftism emerging in backlash to a somewhat conservative culture. The point is that it's edgy kids being edgy, and true believers are naive to think that constitutes genuine ideological change.
 

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I agree, the cultural consensus is definitely liberal, not Marxist. What I was getting is that like the alt-right was an extreme right-wing reaction to a mildly left-liberal culture, you could see extreme leftism emerging in backlash to a somewhat conservative culture. The point is that it's edgy kids being edgy, and true believers are naive to think that constitutes genuine ideological change.
Ah, ok. I see what you mean. Yeah, that makes sense. It can't be permanent ideological change either, because in generally as people get older, they don't go more to the right, nor the left, but the center.
 

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I agree, the cultural consensus is definitely liberal, not Marxist. What I was getting at is that like the alt-right was an extreme right-wing reaction to a mildly left-liberal culture, you could see extreme leftism emerging in backlash to a somewhat conservative culture. The point is that it's edgy kids being edgy, and true believers are naive to think that constitutes genuine ideological change.
Gen Z is more conservative partly as a reaction to millennials being completely insufferable.

They're also edgy largely just to piss off millennials because it's funny. For every true believer Shadilay Strangler there are a million Pepe shitposters who just like seeing SJWs shit themselves in rage.
 

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Gen Z is more conservative partly as a reaction to millennials being completely insufferable.

They're also edgy largely just to piss off millennials because it's funny. For every true believer Shadilay Strangler there are a million Pepe shitposters who just like seeing SJWs shit themselves in rage.
And in turn, those SJWs dyed their hair purple and said their gender was potato to see Bush-era evangelicals shit themselves.
 

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MSM freaks out about how we're raising a bunch of stalinists and aging revleft pervs triumphantly proclaim the rise of "gen mArX" or something equally inane
If millenials 'take over' MSM by then, do you really think they'll freak out over a an entire generation espousing their views?
 
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Not sure why people are saying they will simply grow out of it.

Not to come across like I am defending the edgyteens spewing /pol/tier stuff, but with the media and the far left constantly demonizing people they disagree with, unless that tones down I doubt people will "grow out" of the alt-right. At least not for a long while.

And also, don't those that say they will "grow out of it" just want them to because they disagree with their politics? Anti-anti-sjws (like that cunt Shaun) tend to wish for that. But I don't see it.
I see more and more talk about white genocide, immigration, feminism (you can thank in due part to the media pushing it, which so far is mostly unsuccessful) and just Political Correctness in general now. I don't think it's just edgelords, I think it's just more normies in general picking up that way of thinking, at least a sizeable subset of them.

Oh, and what do you call those who are super anti-sjw, yet support a ton of shit SJWs push and fearmonger, yet keep voting for those SAME sjws who they claim are destroying their country and the things they love?
 
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Not sure why people are saying they will simply grow out of it.

Not to come across like I am defending the edgyteens spewing /pol/tier stuff, but with the media and the far left constantly demonizing people they disagree with, unless that tones down I doubt people will "grow out" of the alt-right. At least not for a long while.

And also, don't those that say they will "grow out of it" just want them to because they disagree with their politics? Anti-anti-sjws (like that cunt Shaun) tend to wish for that. But I don't see it.
I see more and more talk about white genocide, immigration, feminism (you can thank in due part to the media pushing it, which so far is mostly unsuccessful) and just Political Correctness in general now. I don't think it's just edgelords, I think it's just more normies in general picking up that way of thinking, at least a sizeable subset of them.

Oh, and what do you call those who are super anti-sjw, yet support a ton of shit SJWs push and fearmonger, yet keep voting for those SAME sjws who they claim are destroying their country and the things they love?
Shut up boomer *hits that whip*
 

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Just another form of counterculture I think. Being a hippie was cool with the boomers, being a fascist is cool with gen z. I think they just got tired of having uber-socialist bs shoved down their throats and resorted to fascism. People hated hippies for the most part but they belonged amongst each other, same can be said for gen z and fascism. It all boils down to getting sick of the last generation's shit and flipping to the other side because edgy.
 
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Any frogposter who touts gen z as their great white hope should track down the surviving weathermen and ask them how boomers are doing on the free love/anti-consumerism/not being the kind of people who'd vote for trump front, or former 80s punks how gen x totally didn't become chickenshit conformists like their parents.
 

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And in turn, those SJWs dyed their hair purple and said their gender was potato to see Bush-era evangelicals shit themselves.
I don't think those people exist. I know they do, the news always talked about how they were the only reason G.W. won two elections, but I can't remember meeting a single one anywhere, in daily life or online.
 
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