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*The statistics I cite are for America. Things are worse or better depending on where you go, but it's a global issue among developed, first-world countries.

For real, it's an issue. You hear about this stuff most commonly in Japan but it's happening everywhere among developed countries that birth rates are stagnating or falling.
Today in America, the average age millennials get married at is about 28 and the birth rate has plateaued at 1.8 children per woman, as opposed to about 20-25 and about 3 through the 60s and 70s. 28, as you'll notice, is bordering on being really fucking late to be having children, which isn't good for anyone involved.

Millennials are less romantic, less committed, and less family-oriented than any generation on record--but studies show that this isn't making anyone any happier. In fact, reported feelings of loneliness and displeasure are at a high (40% among people aged 18-26). Loneliness, it is said, is an epidemic.
But if you looked outside in the past 20-30 years you'll know that the "American Dream" touted by mainstream [mostly feminist] activists was to be as promiscuous as possible, have tons of cheap sex, travel the world, and settle down later (or never), but the people actually doing this are fucking miserable.

Why is it that young people are en masse "going their own way"? Is it because rates of autism are on the rise? Is it the daddy issues? Is it the internet's fault for making young wo/men into hikikomori? Was sexual liberation not all it's cracked up to be?

If you say "it's because muh economy makes it cost literally one gorillion dolllars per year to raise a child", you're an NPC with an art history degree and don't know shit.
 

ProgKing of the North

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I can only speak for myself, but I'm not just gonna settle down with somebody because I feel it's necessary to be married. If I end up finding somebody that I wanna spend the rest of my life with, great, if not, whatever. I don't particularly want kids (and for a variety of reasons I feel I shouldn't have biological kids), and after some lost years I'm really just starting to get my life back on track and don't need to throw a wrench in things.

Basically, it's just not people's top priority anymore, and there's nothing wrong with that.
 

Bassomatic

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Economic costs are a major factor, I don't see why you discredit it off the bat.

There's a shit ton of reasoning or possible ones, some tin foil hat to other very true ones. Some of them are wonderful, like our lives are longer. If you don't drop dead at fucking 32 years old, you don't need to press out the first youngin at 14.

We know for a fact social media, makes us lonely, society issues are pushing men and women to fear and hate each other because we are different instead of seeing how well salt and pepper work together we see them as polarizing not complimenting.

Social programs allow people to drop out of society and NEET it up, these people can't really break these bonds and even if they at 3X years old do and listen to Peterson to wash their balls, it's gonna be real bad for them to get anyone of worth.

Boomers are legit part of the problem, they aren't retiring because those fucking exceptional individuals are broke. Many younger people are stuck as their boss can't retire so they don't get the corp progression of extra income/wealth/power/status one needs to move on up.

Society wants us to find our selves as if that's the most important thing, travel debt college, explore don't "waste" youth.

There's a ton more factors but I don't think people want me to be on my soap box much longer even though this is DP, but I will close with this it's not just what I listed, but many more things all of the work together to effect it it's reckless to list one problem aside the jews

The biggest scare and sufferers really are women as men can reproduce with more safety in 50s+ while women it gets way worse at 35 and down hill from there, and sadly that' just how the bodies work.
 

Runforyourlife

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A lot of stuff can factor into this. Economic reasons. Worker longer hours for less pay. New jobs expect years of experience for entry level work like this technically can lead to people getting depressed etc.

Next hook up culture has all but murdered relationships. Women that hook up are shown to have a much high rate of divorce. So why would a man marry a ho? Men in hook up culture help create these hoes and when they do finally settle down they have no clue what to do in a relationship cuss they havent really cared about anyone until now. Roosch like him or hate him actually wrote a good piece on regretting how much time he wasted hooking up and now as a single man at like 40 he is alone and lost. He wasted alot of time chancing women instead of spending time w someone he cared about.

Social media makes it all to easy to gain attention especially for women. That need for likes and notifications is overall whelming. Do you think one man can replace the likes and attention of 1k and up of dudes clicking and commenting on some insta ho.

You could make a big ol list of stuff Feminists culture, death of the family unit (probably the most important one), entertainment, porn etc.
 

TerribleIdeas™

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Divorce and family court raping you after the soon-to-be-ex-wife coaches the kids to claim you molested them is a common enough cliche, and then there's pretty much most of the other reasons that have already been mentioned above.

Hookup culture, the proliferation of trial-by-media/public opinion over allegations, the willingness to go back 30 years to punish people and/or make a quick buck, the cost of kids and one's own education coupled with the low wages offered to fresh graduates, and the abysmal curve on wage increases, it all adds up.
 

Bassomatic

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Mostly Quality over quantity? the problem is that people ask for too much quality.
Tell that to Africa.

feeling I can live my life how I choose and it's nobody else's goddamn business is enemy propaganda?
I assume the post you are replying to is making a stab towards replacement theory and totaliterinism, in indeed such, the jack boot of the state ever creeping does effect those who worry about loss of liberties.

I didn't touch on it on earlier post but indeed we are often bombarded with a fear of violence, world ending etc it makes people whom are stable, future minded rethink kids both to protect the youth a life of suffering, and also if it's nihilistic future feel to enjoy it now, regardless of if you buy into that or not, our western cultures sure love pay tomorrow play today. Both our world economic status and personal spendings seem to show that.
 

Wendy_Carter

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Having a child is a really big investment into something that ultimately may or may not pay off, with way too many years of work. Buying anti-depressants and sedatives, which cause decreased libido and sex drive, just to go through the day, because everything's expensive and employers require years of experience and a bachelor's degree for poorly-paid jobs. Social media and the Internet making people more socially anxious when having a face-to-face conversation. "Listen and believe" mentality, with men being imprisoned for false rape accusations, while the accusers suffer no consequences for their actions, because it is now possible to retract consent at any point in the future (if Todd Haberkorn's case is any evidence), causing a massive turn-off from dating or having sex.

The world is going crazy, and bringing another living being into it means subjecting it to a cruel torture until its death.
 

Clop

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Everyone's standards are Disney'd to hell.

Men want a woman who looks like something that you can have sex with without a paper bag for the next 50 years in a time when obesity is at an all-time high.
Women want a man who makes more money than them when women are expected to hold major positions and earn more than men as "equalizers" to the mythical wage gap.

Nobody has realistic standards thanks to what we're told our standards should be. Hell, most standards that feminist outlets tout are the kinds that turn most women off like sand paper. Men are told by those same rags that everything bad is their fault and marriage's failure will always take them down into the gutter, and then they're expected to hold an erection with all that mental pressure.

I saw a study recently that 45% of millennials think asking a women out for a drink is sexual harrassment. How does one make baby out of nowhere? We aren't bacterium that can just split in half.
Seen the discussion in several countries about how we should start rewarding women for pushing out babies? I think most governments really do think humans work that way; Woman just pushes one out. Man not involved. Plenty of laws saying that a man pays for it, though, for some reason.
 

Mewtwo_Rain

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Mostly Quality over quantity? the problem is that people ask for too much quality.
Considering the people having children are normally those on social welfare programs, I don't think they're that high of a quality.
Tell that to Africa.


I assume the post you are replying to is making a stab towards replacement theory and totaliterinism, in indeed such, the jack boot of the state ever creeping does effect those who worry about loss of liberties.

I didn't touch on it on earlier post but indeed we are often bombarded with a fear of violence, world ending etc it makes people whom are stable, future minded rethink kids both to protect the youth a life of suffering, and also if it's nihilistic future feel to enjoy it now, regardless of if you buy into that or not, our western cultures sure love pay tomorrow play today. Both our world economic status and personal spendings seem to show that.

I have to agree here. Women think that it's now good to have children at age 30+, you know when the risk of a child having down syndrome or exceptionalism is higher. Which means the poster who made the claim about propoganda is decently correct. Feminist teach women they can have it all and in reality that's not how it works, and leads many of them waiting until they're way past child bearing years and end up as cat ladies. Sure it could be argued men can wait to have children and the economy could entice men to wait until they have more money but it doesn't help illegals steal funding (upwards of 50-150 billion a year) towards them having kids while legal citizens get barely any legal aid in having children which doesn't help things. (A guy made mention of this in a Wal-Mart documentary as well)


Many of these changes don't just occur out of nowhere, and claiming everyone just randomly came to the same conclusion is like expecting water from a stone. So I heavily agree that the propaganda being pushed heavily leads to this end result. Otherwise if it were just fancier living means it's less of a priority then why are people (migrants/etc.) having so many children unless they haven't been influenced by the same propaganda we are in the west.
 
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