Why are people who consume media pussies these days? - Weak minds breed weak people

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This is an era where there's an increased demand for conformity of thought both in the mainstream and within fringe subcultures. For the most part, there's less room to truly go against the grain in an artistic sense without being completely ignored or even blackballed entirely than there's been in the past 4 or 5 decades.
 

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For the most part these progressive types are all for sex positivity to the point of being okay with kids seeing hardcore pornography
You say that like it's a good thing.


And no, it isn't all about the money, because each time it is apparent there is a very sizeable market that is consistently ignored, preached at, or conquered and excluded and you will continue to see new people complain about it while that jihad continues. Get used to it.
 

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The difference is right wing outrage only makes something more popular, left wing outrage actually hurts something.
True, but that's mainly because of social media making cancel culture viable on an unprecedented scale combined with the fact that the mainstream media has always been left-leaning to a certain degree.

Before, you had soccer moms and fundies have their own early version of today's cancel culture in the form of angry letters and phone calls, boycotting advertisers, and written petitions.

Given the limited reach of these methods, it was far easier to have cancel campaigns end up getting dismissed as moral guardian bullshit, or for the networks and studios to spin all the publicity to their advantage. A good example of this is the cancel campaign against Married With Children in the late 80's that was spearheaded by some housewife in Minnesota, which ended up massively boosting the show's ratings.

Now that everyone's online and trapped in their own echo chambers, it's far easier for a vocal minority to appear larger in number than they are. Then you thrown in the liberal biases that already existed in Hollywood and Silicon Valley before "Current Year", and you've got the SJW culture war bullshit of today.

Twitter is the ultimate example of a vocal minority, since most of the big prolific tweets come from a small portion of regular users.

If the Religious Right or Tipper Gore had Twitter and the hyper-consolidated media landscape of today, they might've gotten farther in achieving their goals.
 
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The difference is right wing outrage only makes something more popular, left wing outrage actually hurts something.
Sorry? Joker was attacked by the left and that made a Billion Dollars.

...where the heck have you been most of the time when the left ruins something it flops (or it gets forgotten about or it was only successful due to brand recognition, but that only works in the short term)?

Oh, and Doom made fun of the left with the "Mortally Challenged" jokes and that's currently selling super well.

The problem here is 1. Companies don't realise Twitter is a vocal minority of nutters. and 2. The companies are overly left leaning and THINK this will lead to more money/more social clout, and 3. Companies overly concerned about self image, but I think it's mainly 1 and 2.

I'm kinda sick of people bringing up shit that's clearly not true.
 
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One of the things that's always confused me a little is how much emphasis people feel the need to place on art and media.

Apparently, you can't relate to a protagonist if they aren't exactly like you in some way. Women can't relate to a male character, black people can't relate to a white character, ect.
It's not a question of "Can't relate" as much as "Would like to see someone like themselves, sometime", at least initially.

After all, the inverse is why do you care if there's more women or black characters?
 

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Sorry? Joker was attacked by the left and that made a Billion Dollars.

...where the heck have you been most of the time when the left ruins something it flops (or it gets forgotten about or it was only successful due to brand recognition, but that only works in the short term)?

Oh, and Doom made fun of the left with the "Mortally Challenged" jokes and that's currently selling super well.

The problem here is 1. Companies don't realise Twitter is a vocal minority of nutters. and 2. The companies are overly left leaning and THINK this will lead to more money/more social clout, and 3. Companies overly concerned about self image, but I think it's mainly 1 and 2.

I'm kinda sick of people bringing up shit that's clearly not true.
Agreed for the most part, although Joker and Doom Eternal are both relatively recent, Joker came out last October and Doom was released less than a week ago.

Really, you and @Dom Cruise are both right in a sense.

Dom's correct in that leftist outrage has ruined many franchises, resulting in all those woke flops and the bland sanitized pretentiousness of the 2010's. But that was due to the companies failing to see Twitter and the clickbait mills like Vice and Buzzfeed for the vocal minority they are.

Joker and Doom Eternal are good examples of people starting to wake up to this bullshit and ignoring the moral guardians. Even a children's comedy like the new Sonic movie is a good example of a growing backlash because it was explicitly apolitical and was goofy fun for the sake of it, unlike its main competition at the box office.
 
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You say that like it's a good thing.
Sorry, didn't mean to come across like that.
"And no, it isn't all about the money, because each time it is apparent there is a very sizeable market that is consistently ignored, preached at, or conquered and excluded and you will continue to see new people complain about it while that jihad continues. Get used to it.
I honest to God don't understand what the hell you're blabbering about. What do you mean it isn't about the money? These are businesses after-all. Everything they do is to get money from your pocket. If you simply talked with your wallet and stop giving a shit about these publicity stunts done by companies themselves to cause outrage,or stopped listening to some fucking weirdo on twitter with sub-100 followers autisticly screech and, just enjoyed and monetarily support things you love, this would all go away.
 

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Sorry? Joker was attacked by the left and that made a Billion Dollars.

...where the heck have you been most of the time when the left ruins something it flops (or it gets forgotten about or it was only successful due to brand recognition, but that only works in the short term)?

Oh, and Doom made fun of the left with the "Mortally Challenged" jokes and that's currently selling super well.

The problem here is 1. Companies don't realise Twitter is a vocal minority of nutters. and 2. The companies are overly left leaning and THINK this will lead to more money/more social clout, and 3. Companies overly concerned about self image, but I think it's mainly 1 and 2.

I'm kinda sick of people bringing up shit that's clearly not true.
Sure, things might thankfully be changing now, but there was a period of time when people would back down to the SJW mob.
 

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Because you're online.

Everyone has always had their own useless opinion on media before. They had nowhere to share it prior to the internet. Ever read old fan letters in videogame magazines in the 90's and 2000's? Fuckers were stupid as fuck. Same deal now. Realize the overwhelming majority of the people who watch tv and film never discuss it online. They consume and go. Online discussion forums are obviously going to draw the attention of people with the time and interest to dedicate to whatever specific niche of media they're interested in. Doesn't make them numerous or even normal. What kind of winners do you think are filling out encyclopedic walls of text on TVTropes about children's shows?

"The sensitive people" getting their panties in a wad about other peoples fun have been a thing forever, entire episodes of Simpsons and Married with Children were dedicated to it.
Its not just me complaining about people being pussies online, its that its affecting media itself. If it was just online whining, I wouldn't give a shit. But you have all these entertainment corporations bowing to their whims, sanatizing entertainment and people getting blacklisted from industries by online mobs because they created something they didn't like.

For example, the young adult novel community (which is basically all adults). It is quite literally, insane. They attacked an Asian writer for cultural appropriation and attacked her so much, she basically pulled out of a 500k book deal because it disturbed her so much. They sent her death and rape threats, contacted the publisher. She eventually changed her mind, but not without substantial backlash against those faggots who attacked her.

There are sensitivity readers now to make sure nobody gets offended. There was this one author who committed literal crimes by doxing, sending death and rape threats, using her connections to get authors to become unpublishable against anyone who went against what she found acceptable. This goes way beyond the online world.

Blacklisting is very real, and moves out beyond the realm of social media and the internet.

I think this kind of professional intellectual embarrassment is more constructive and more helpful than a lead pipe to the head, but don't let me stand in the way of your dreams.
As John Doe in Se7en said: "Wanting people to listen, you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you'll notice you've got their strict attention."
 

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As John Doe in Se7en said: "Wanting people to listen, you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you'll notice you've got their strict attention."
I don't know who is more of an attention seeking faggot, John Doe, or the actor who played him. Or more murderous for that matter, with the way Spacey's accusers have been dying.

But I know that I'm not taking their advice. It's easy to become angry as you watch them go from cultural site to cultural site and inject it with their poison until it's dead, the way ISIS destroyed cultural site after cultural site.

John Doe may have had a righteous, justified anger, but his method was flawed. Throwing a nuke on a poisoned or desecrated site doesn't fix a thing. He was a man controlled by his vices (envy/vengeance), much like those angry about subversion of subcultures are controlled by their vices.

Yes, they're taking something you value, shit on it and enjoy with glee your rage. Find something more reliable to value than braincandy.
 
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Violence and rape never add anything to the story and are almost exclusively used as plot devices to hide shitty writing.
I'll beg to differ here; some of my favorite things utilize these dark elements precisely for story and characters. It wouldn't work otherwise.

I will admit rape and violence are the easiest crutches to exploit to distract people from how bad it actually is, as you wrote, but that can be said with almost anything really, even the polar opposite. Whimsy, humor, cute animals, etc; all could be used as plot devices or to distract from shit writing too.

Good writing can use anything to further its story properly. And bad writing will always desperately grasp onto anything it can too.
 

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I'll beg to differ here; some of my favorite things utilize these dark elements precisely for story and characters. It wouldn't work otherwise.

I will admit rape and violence are the easiest crutches to exploit to distract people from how bad it actually is, as you wrote, but that can be said with almost anything really, even the polar opposite. Whimsy, humor, cute animals, etc; all could be used as plot devices or to distract from shit writing too.

Good writing can use anything to further its story properly. And bad writing will always desperately grasp onto anything it can too.
That's why I said almost. :)
I'm sure there are some writers out there who understand to integrate it in their plots without these things becoming mere plot devices.
However, I avoid everything with rape (not necessarily violence if it's not too bad) in it on principle. If I encounter a story/movie with rape I will immediately throw it in the trash because it upsets me and I'm a pussy.
 
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That's why I said almost. :)
I'm sure there are some writers out there who understand to integrate it in their plots without these things becoming mere plot devices.
However, I avoid everything with rape (not necessarily violence if it's not too bad) in it on principle. If I encounter a story/movie with rape I will immediately throw it in the trash because it upsets me and I'm a pussy.
I understand that. Is it something personal, like a scar, or just preference?

It's too bad, because one of my favorite stories of all time has rape in it, and I wouldn't tell anyone to skip it on account of that for anything. It's so much more than that, but preferences are preferences. Different strokes. :)
 
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I understand that. Is it something personal, like a scar, or just preference?

It's too bad, because one of my favorite stories of all time has rape in it, and I wouldn't tell anyone to skip it on account of that for anything. It's so much more than that, but preferences are preferences. Different strokes. :)
Not really. I used to be able to read/watch everything. And I did. Didn't matter how brutal. But now it makes my stomach turn. I think growing up just turned me into a pussy. These days Stranger Things makes me hide under the covers. So embarrassing.

So I'm glad there's a diverse set of media people can chose from. Whether they like the hard stuff or the soft stuff or just silly movies. I don't think it's a bad thing. It's just that the market got very broad and now incorporates a lot of different genres. And in some cases, like misogyny, it's very good that the public is more aware of it and tries to avoid it in movies or books.
 

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Not really. I used to be able to read/watch everything. And I did. Didn't matter how brutal. But now it makes my stomach turn. I think growing up just turned me into a pussy. These days Stranger Things makes me hide under the covers. So embarrassing.

So I'm glad there's a diverse set of media people can chose from. Whether they like the hard stuff or the soft stuff or just silly movies. I don't think it's a bad thing. It's just that the market got very broad and now incorporates a lot of different genres. And in some cases, like misogyny, it's very good that the public is more aware of it and tries to avoid it in movies or books.
Now that is interesting. I've come across people with similar mindsets and the it's always been "Oh, I've always been put off by it" or something liket hat, never "I used to, but then I grew out of it."

And funnier still, you're the polar opposite of me in that regard. As a kid, I freaked out over almost everything, and things like that story I mentioned were my night terrors and always would disturb me... yet now... it's like my favorite thing ever? And almost nothing bothers me? (Unless it's just gross, like the Pain series or other real life gross out shit) But in terms of fiction, yeah, nothing.

I roll my eyes when it's just there to be excessive, but it doesn't bother me. It's just boring. But if it's for elevating a story into real stakes, I'm all for it. Darker the better; we live in a world with sanitized writing, drama, and stakes, I like it when things are serious.

Whereas you have this as your repellent, overly whimsy (whimsy for the sake of it) is mine. That makes me sick vs anything else, haha!
 

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Now that is interesting. I've come across people with similar mindsets and the it's always been "Oh, I've always been put off by it" or something liket hat, never "I used to, but then I grew out of it."

And funnier still, you're the polar opposite of me in that regard. As a kid, I freaked out over almost everything, and things like that story I mentioned were my night terrors and always would disturb me... yet now... it's like my favorite thing ever? And almost nothing bothers me? (Unless it's just gross, like the Pain series or other real life gross out shit) But in terms of fiction, yeah, nothing.

I roll my eyes when it's just there to be excessive, but it doesn't bother me. It's just boring. But if it's for elevating a story into real stakes, I'm all for it. Darker the better; we live in a world with sanitized writing, drama, and stakes, I like it when things are serious.

Whereas you have this as your repellent, overly whimsy (whimsy for the sake of it) is mine. That makes me sick vs anything else, haha!
People are weird. :lol:

Yeah, a lot of stuff these days is sanitized to the point where even a brain dead person could follow the plot. In that way, I can understand the op. I don't really understand why people can never find a good middle ground for things.
 

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People are weird. :lol:

Yeah, a lot of stuff these days is sanitized to the point where even a brain dead person could follow the plot. In that way, I can understand the op. I don't really understand why people can never find a good middle ground for things.
Good writing is a delicate balance.

I'm a very firm believer in notions such as "There's no such thing as bad characters, just bad writing" or "No idea is too small."

Any character, regardless if YOU can relate or even agree with them, so long as they have a purpose and the why's to them add up, that's a good character. Might not be a FAVORITE character, but a good one.

I don't know where this started lately, but I can't stand this notion of "People have to RELATE" and then taken a step further "THEY CAN ONLY RELATE TO THEMSELVES!1111" Bullshit. Sheer bullshit.

Black people can like any character. Women can like any character. Men can. Attack helicopters can. We've lost focus. And to these goddamn crybabies, who don't GET it completely tailor made to them alone, instead of just "Oh, not for me" they have to complain or cry foul. Me and OP are both sick of that shit, apparently. Political correctness is the death of art.


And for the latter, I believe a good writer can make any idea worthwhile, and a bad one can ruin even the most obvious, haha. A good writer knows how to balance the elements to their story, and I feel the best stories naturally appeal to almost everyone, simply because of the themes of a great human story are something anyone can relate to. More than "Oh, this is mostly for women" or "This is mostly for men."

It's great when everyone can just like something for being a good story. Guys and girls will obviously like different parts, but overall, the love for it will be the same.
 
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