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"Real Emo" only consists of the dc Emotional Hardcore scene and the late 90's Screamo scene. What is known by "Midwest Emo" is nothing but Alternative Rock with questionable real emo influence. When people try to argue that bands like My Chemical Romance are not real emo, while saying that Sunny Day Real Estate is, I can't help not to cringe because they are just as fake emo as My Chemical Romance (plus the pretentiousness). Real emo sounds ENERGETIC, POWERFUL and somewhat HATEFUL. Fake emo is weak, self pity and a failed attempt to direct energy and emotion into music. Some examples of REAL EMO are Pg 99, Rites of Spring, Cap n Jazz (the only real emo band from the midwest scene) and Loma Prieta. Some examples of FAKE EMO are American Football, My Chemical Romance and Mineral EMO BELONGS TO HARDCORE NOT TO INDIE, POP PUNK, ALT ROCK OR ANY OTHER MAINSTREAM GENRE

The truth about "emo" is that most of what is accepted here isnt really emo, it's some form of indie rock. People here point back to Cap'n Jazz and Sunny Day Real Estate as the progenitors of everything they listen to today, which is true, but they are not progenitors of emo. They are pioneers in college indie rock (and in SDRE's case, mainstream indie rock [yeah, they were on MTV in 96 and half the members went to Foo Fighters, look it up]) incorporating influence from post-hardcore and emo.

There's a reason this stuff is called "post-emo indie rock," or as it has been branded thanks to a handful of early 90s bands no one remembers any more who were from the actual midwestern United States and actually played emo (including Gauge, Current, Ordination of Aaron, Endpoint, Split Lip, Friction, and Chino Horde), "Midwest emo." The reason is because it isn't really emo and needs to be distinguished, kind of how 'metalcore' came about when that scene stopped being primarily hardcore and moved to metal/alternative.

In a similar sense, the post-emo/midwest/indiecore scene moved away from hardcore in the mid 90s, and was seen as a new, post-emo movement, hence the name and ridicule from hardcore bands. Meanwhile, I doubt anyone who lists Mineral or American Football as their favorite 90s "emo" bands could name any actual mid/late 90s emo. Sucks cause there's so much good shit: Traluma, Chocolate Kiss, Stratego, Edaline, Twelve Hour Turn, Unionsuit, Blue Water Boy, Still Life, Thumbnail, Four Hundred Years, Assfactor 4, Sleepytime Trio, Amber Inn, The Deadwood Divine, Bread and Circuits, The Red Scare, Metroschifter, Radio Flyer, The Hal Al-Shedad...I could go on.

You see, the fake/real emo dichotomy is nowhere near nuanced enough to capture the layers of relation to emo that all the music referred to as "emo" has. That's a pretty annoyingly confusing sentence so lemme break it down - there are four types of emo:

REAL REAL EMO (emotive hardcore. Usually melodic hardcore punk with minor influences from post punk and what would become, with emocore's help, post-hardcore indie rock; from Rites of Spring and Moss Icon to Walleye and Falling Forward to The Shivering and End on End to Slow Code and GIVE. Emotional hardcore punk rock music)

FAKE REAL EMO (non-hardcore music that gets considered "real emo" by pretentious middle class dorks who have no clue. Usually indie rock, math rock, or post rock that is influenced by the instrumentation, composition, and/or dynamics of emo; from The Van Pelt and Boys Life to Penfold and Boilermaker to Mock Orange and No Knife to empire! empire! and My Heart to Joy to Hightide Hotel and Oso Oso. Post-emotional hardcore punk rock music)

REAL FAKE EMO (non-hardcore music that has just as much influence from emo as FAKE REAL emo, but because it's not sad, mellow, and somber [cough or not rock music] is refuted as "emo" by most twinkle dorks. Usually post-hardcore, alternative rock, or melodic hardcore/pop punk that takes from all the same places as indiemo; from Samiam and Trusty to Sense Field and Grade to Seaweed and Kill Holiday to The Movielife and Boys Night Out to Title Fight and Polar Bear Club to Self Defense Family and Narrow Head. Post-emotional hardcore punk rock and "emo-adjacent" [meaning, diy bands who played shows with emo bands in the underground] music)

FAKE FAKE EMO (non-hardcore, non-emo related music that still gets referred to as such by the mainstream/anyone who thinks emo is synonymous with "sad." Can be anything but most commonly indie rock, because people don't understand the difference between releasing a chart-topping record that influences the whole landscape of music, including the underground and therefore emo; and actually being related to the underground DIY hardcore punk movement known as emo. Take your pick; Weezer, Boys Like Girls, The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus, Modest Mouse, Julien Baker, Pinegrove, Linkin Park, The Cure, Morrissey/Smiths, blink-182, Atreyu, Simple Plan, AFI, My Chemical Romance after their first album (especially Black Parade, a pop rock album), The Front Bottoms)

If you ask me, artists like lil peep, Wicca Phase Springs Eternal, nothing,nowhere, shinigami, and LiL Lotus all fit perfectly into category three, REAL FAKE EMO. These are all DIY artists who are inspired by the same "emo" bands as every revival/sparklepunk/sadwank indie band that gets jerked to death here, but because it only comes through in aesthetic and lyricism as opposed to...oh wait, no, thats exactly the same as pretty much all modern emo -- it is only related to Real Emo (aka REAL REAL EMO) via aesthetic and lyrics - if it's actually related to any degree. The sound is not even kind of close and isn't rooted in hardcore at all. Every twinkle-centric band you love is rooted in indie rock because twinkles dont come from hardcore; every band with a sing along chorus is a pop band. How are you gonna tell me that indie pop artists with sad yelling are emo, but indie trap artists with sad yelling aren't?

TL;DR - here's your ultimatum, indie dorks: either both American Football and Lil Peep are emo, or neither of them are.

Your sad indie rock is not emo either.
 

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Leftists hate the working class in America because they're White and naturally Fascist.
If they truly hated the working class then they wouldn't be supporting all these social programs. The claim that the working class is naturally fascist needs to be substantiated.

A workers revolution in the USA, even if it included all races, would result in an extremely reactionary and violent government. Much like Stalin's years in the USSR which caused almost all the Leftists there to leave and fight it. I'd support this. All liberal fag scum would be stomped into the dirt by the angry and oppressed American worker and the anti White shit would stop.
The workers know what their interests are, and it's clear that they reject reactionary ideology. The working class votes for more protections and security in their jobs, which is essentially more socialist economics and government control. most conservatives in the US agree with the social policy of the left wing. It is hard to find a republican who is against gay marriage or is for totally stopping immigration, these people who you expect to form some sort of "extremely reactionary and violent government" won't, in reality if they revolted they would implement more welfare and government control.

I have no idea where you got the idea that leftists left the USSR, especially when they had closed borders for emigration and immigration. It's possible that they did, but I need proofs
 

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"Real Emo" only consists of the dc Emotional Hardcore scene and the late 90's Screamo scene. What is known by "Midwest Emo" is nothing but Alternative Rock with questionable real emo influence. When people try to argue that bands like My Chemical Romance are not real emo, while saying that Sunny Day Real Estate is, I can't help not to cringe because they are just as fake emo as My Chemical Romance (plus the pretentiousness). Real emo sounds ENERGETIC, POWERFUL and somewhat HATEFUL. Fake emo is weak, self pity and a failed attempt to direct energy and emotion into music. Some examples of REAL EMO are Pg 99, Rites of Spring, Cap n Jazz (the only real emo band from the midwest scene) and Loma Prieta. Some examples of FAKE EMO are American Football, My Chemical Romance and Mineral EMO BELONGS TO HARDCORE NOT TO INDIE, POP PUNK, ALT ROCK OR ANY OTHER MAINSTREAM GENRE

The truth about "emo" is that most of what is accepted here isnt really emo, it's some form of indie rock. People here point back to Cap'n Jazz and Sunny Day Real Estate as the progenitors of everything they listen to today, which is true, but they are not progenitors of emo. They are pioneers in college indie rock (and in SDRE's case, mainstream indie rock [yeah, they were on MTV in 96 and half the members went to Foo Fighters, look it up]) incorporating influence from post-hardcore and emo.

There's a reason this stuff is called "post-emo indie rock," or as it has been branded thanks to a handful of early 90s bands no one remembers any more who were from the actual midwestern United States and actually played emo (including Gauge, Current, Ordination of Aaron, Endpoint, Split Lip, Friction, and Chino Horde), "Midwest emo." The reason is because it isn't really emo and needs to be distinguished, kind of how 'metalcore' came about when that scene stopped being primarily hardcore and moved to metal/alternative.

In a similar sense, the post-emo/midwest/indiecore scene moved away from hardcore in the mid 90s, and was seen as a new, post-emo movement, hence the name and ridicule from hardcore bands. Meanwhile, I doubt anyone who lists Mineral or American Football as their favorite 90s "emo" bands could name any actual mid/late 90s emo. Sucks cause there's so much good shit: Traluma, Chocolate Kiss, Stratego, Edaline, Twelve Hour Turn, Unionsuit, Blue Water Boy, Still Life, Thumbnail, Four Hundred Years, Assfactor 4, Sleepytime Trio, Amber Inn, The Deadwood Divine, Bread and Circuits, The Red Scare, Metroschifter, Radio Flyer, The Hal Al-Shedad...I could go on.

You see, the fake/real emo dichotomy is nowhere near nuanced enough to capture the layers of relation to emo that all the music referred to as "emo" has. That's a pretty annoyingly confusing sentence so lemme break it down - there are four types of emo:

REAL REAL EMO (emotive hardcore. Usually melodic hardcore punk with minor influences from post punk and what would become, with emocore's help, post-hardcore indie rock; from Rites of Spring and Moss Icon to Walleye and Falling Forward to The Shivering and End on End to Slow Code and GIVE. Emotional hardcore punk rock music)

FAKE REAL EMO (non-hardcore music that gets considered "real emo" by pretentious middle class dorks who have no clue. Usually indie rock, math rock, or post rock that is influenced by the instrumentation, composition, and/or dynamics of emo; from The Van Pelt and Boys Life to Penfold and Boilermaker to Mock Orange and No Knife to empire! empire! and My Heart to Joy to Hightide Hotel and Oso Oso. Post-emotional hardcore punk rock music)

REAL FAKE EMO (non-hardcore music that has just as much influence from emo as FAKE REAL emo, but because it's not sad, mellow, and somber [cough or not rock music] is refuted as "emo" by most twinkle dorks. Usually post-hardcore, alternative rock, or melodic hardcore/pop punk that takes from all the same places as indiemo; from Samiam and Trusty to Sense Field and Grade to Seaweed and Kill Holiday to The Movielife and Boys Night Out to Title Fight and Polar Bear Club to Self Defense Family and Narrow Head. Post-emotional hardcore punk rock and "emo-adjacent" [meaning, diy bands who played shows with emo bands in the underground] music)

FAKE FAKE EMO (non-hardcore, non-emo related music that still gets referred to as such by the mainstream/anyone who thinks emo is synonymous with "sad." Can be anything but most commonly indie rock, because people don't understand the difference between releasing a chart-topping record that influences the whole landscape of music, including the underground and therefore emo; and actually being related to the underground DIY hardcore punk movement known as emo. Take your pick; Weezer, Boys Like Girls, The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus, Modest Mouse, Julien Baker, Pinegrove, Linkin Park, The Cure, Morrissey/Smiths, blink-182, Atreyu, Simple Plan, AFI, My Chemical Romance after their first album (especially Black Parade, a pop rock album), The Front Bottoms)

If you ask me, artists like lil peep, Wicca Phase Springs Eternal, nothing,nowhere, shinigami, and LiL Lotus all fit perfectly into category three, REAL FAKE EMO. These are all DIY artists who are inspired by the same "emo" bands as every revival/sparklepunk/sadwank indie band that gets jerked to death here, but because it only comes through in aesthetic and lyricism as opposed to...oh wait, no, thats exactly the same as pretty much all modern emo -- it is only related to Real Emo (aka REAL REAL EMO) via aesthetic and lyrics - if it's actually related to any degree. The sound is not even kind of close and isn't rooted in hardcore at all. Every twinkle-centric band you love is rooted in indie rock because twinkles dont come from hardcore; every band with a sing along chorus is a pop band. How are you gonna tell me that indie pop artists with sad yelling are emo, but indie trap artists with sad yelling aren't?

TL;DR - here's your ultimatum, indie dorks: either both American Football and Lil Peep are emo, or neither of them are.

Your sad indie rock is not emo either.
Punk rock was a dire and awful mistake in general.

There, I said it.



Indie rock, emo, hardcore punk, it all sucks. All of punk and its spin-offs are awful, pretentious, highly overrated, and never any good to begin with.

Except maybe the post-punk/early Goth stuff from the 80's like Siouxsie and the Banshees or some of the early Sisters of Mercy stuff. Those were good, and were very much the exception to the rule

I'm really just tired of punk being held up and lionized as this great thing in the orthodoxy of pop culture, when really it was Generation X's biggest mistake. And I'm well aware of the irony of decrying punk rock while having an Andrew Eldritch avatar.


Fuck the Punk Subculture. Commie Punks Fuck Off.
 

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Punk rock was a dire and awful mistake in general.

There, I said it.



Indie rock, emo, hardcore punk, it all sucks. All of punk and its spin-offs are awful, pretentious, highly overrated, and never any good to begin with.

Except maybe the post-punk/early Goth stuff from the 80's like Siouxsie and the Banshees or some of the early Sisters of Mercy stuff. Those were good, and were very much the exception to the rule

I'm really just tired of punk being held up and lionized as this great thing in the orthodoxy of pop culture, when really it was Generation X's biggest mistake. And I'm well aware of the irony of decrying punk rock while having an Andrew Eldritch avatar.


Fuck the Punk Subculture. Commie Punks Fuck Off.
I've said it before and I'll say it one more time in addition to this: Punk died when GG Allin died and it became even deader when Seth Putnam died
 

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In modern times, those who lean left seem to be overwhelmingly authoritarian, and those who lean right seem to be overwhelmingly libertarian.

Classic liberal attudes have more in common with the modern right, while the religious right attitudes of the late 20th century have more in common with the modern left. Authoritarians advocate for government censorship based on insane ideas, like the Satanic Panic or seeing racism everywhere, while Libertarians just want the government to leave them alone so they can smoke weed and keep the money they earn.

Naturally, the kind of people that gravitate towards authoritarian attitudes tend to be pushier, and hate being criticized. They follow some form of godhead and get viscerally upset over anyone contesting their leader. They're much more likely to maintain a pack mentality with a distinct hierarchy, with the idea that those lower in the hierarchy can be helped by those higher. Unfortunately, that mentality doesn't account for corruption up the ladder, as those in need won't actually get help if nobody's actually willing to help them, obviously. And when you're near the top of the hierarchy, where nobody will question you, there aren't any checks and balances in place to assure that you're not going to act like a selfish dictator. Unfortunately as well, the same kind of people who seek power tend to be the ones who deserve it the least. The best leaders are the people who don't want to lead, but do so because nobody else is doing a good job, ironically making pure authoritarians the worst at being an authority.

Their opposition, the libertarian-minded, follows the concept of meritocracy, where everybody is given equal opportunities, and will naturally fall into the roles best fit for them. Unfortunately, a purely libertarian society doesn't account for when shit hits the fan. If you break your leg from tripping on a curb, and you go buy health insurance, is it really okay for them to deny you coverage because they're a private business and they can do what they want? Is it okay for you to lose your job because you work for a business that isn't legally obligated to keep you employed? Is it okay to starve because you can't afford food, and nobody is obliged to bring you any? Somebody's gotta step in and keep them in check. You know, like.. an authority, perhaps?

So, there will always be people on either side of the coin, except one side's extreme is insufferable and power-hungry, and the other is lackadaisy and unprepared. That's why so many of us fall somewhere within the moderate range, leaning either direction, but the craziest of the crazy will always have the loudest voices, and influence legions of imbeciles.

(I also know I should use the word "liberal" in place of "libertarian", but that word currently has a completely different connotation to what it literally means)
 
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In modern times, those who lean left seem to be overwhelmingly authoritarian, and those who lean right seem to be overwhelmingly libertarian.

Classic liberal attudes have more in common with the modern right, while the religious right attitudes of the late 20th century have more in common with the modern left. Authoritarians advocate for government censorship based on insane ideas, like the Satanic Panic or seeing racism everywhere, while Libertarians just want the government to leave them alone so they can smoke weed and keep the money they earn.

Naturally, the kind of people that gravitate towards authoritarian attitudes tend to be pushier, and hate being criticized. They follow some form of godhead and get viscerally upset over anyone contesting their leader. They're much more likely to maintain a pack mentality with a distinct hierarchy, with the idea that those lower in the hierarchy can be helped by those higher. Unfortunately, that mentality doesn't account for corruption up the ladder, as those in need won't actually get help if nobody's actually willing to help them, obviously. And when you're near the top of the hierarchy, where nobody will question you, there aren't any checks and balances in place to assure that you're not going to act like a selfish dictator. Unfortunately as well, the same kind of people who seek power tend to be the ones who deserve it the least. The best leaders are the people who don't want to lead, but do so because nobody else is doing a good job, ironically making pure authoritarians the worst at being an authority.

Their opposition, the libertarian-minded, follows the concept of meritocracy, where everybody is given equal opportunities, and will naturally fall into the roles best fit for them. Unfortunately, a purely libertarian society doesn't account for when shit hits the fan. If you break your leg from tripping on a curb, and you go buy health insurance, is it really okay for them to deny you coverage because they're a private business and they can do what they want? Is it okay for you to lose your job because you work for a business that isn't legally obligated to keep you employed? Is it okay to starve because you can't afford food, and nobody is obliged to bring you any? Somebody's gotta step in and keep them in check. You know, like.. an authority, perhaps?

So, there will always be people on either side of the coin, except one side's extreme is insufferable and power-hungry, and the other is lackadaisy and unprepared. That's why so many of us fall somewhere within the moderate range, leaning either direction, but the craziest of the crazy will always have the loudest voices, and influence legions of imbeciles.

(I also know I should use the word "liberal" in place of "libertarian", but that word currently has a completely different connotation to what it literally means)
My only disagreement with this is that the farther left the left goes, the more that yesterday's "leftist" policies become rightist. Without going too far into the weeds, I'll say that it is a mischaracterization to say the Left's primary aim is economic; that may have been the Left of the 19th century, but as you can see by their actions today, they are more than happy to suck up to Big Business and Big Tech in order to advance their agenda.
 

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My only disagreement with this is that the farther left the left goes, the more that yesterday's "leftist" policies become rightist. Without going too far into the weeds, I'll say that it is a mischaracterization to say the Left's primary aim is economic; that may have been the Left of the 19th century, but as you can see by their actions today, they are more than happy to suck up to Big Business and Big Tech in order to advance their agenda.
"It only takes 20 years for a liberal to become a conservative without changing a single idea".
 

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Leftists live in a bubble that has to be too woke 4 u.
I remember when I used to hang out these circles. They said that they were leftist but ignore the plight of working class people. They only cared about virtue signalling, being more woker than thou and that's it.

All of them lived in all white rich neighborhoods outside of the multicultural spaces they proclaim to love. But at the moment you bring them to these places they would ridicule, insult and hate them.

They only were leftists because fuck you dad, they didn't know about how the working class were fucked. They only wanted to feel cool and superior to the unwashed masses. It was like fashion for them.
 

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When confronted with examples of insane views on their side, I’ve noticed left wingers will either say “we’re not all like this, I swear” or deny any association and claim it to be the work of trolls, but some of the things shared on social media by people I’ve interacted with offline before say otherwise - maybe I’m just hyper aware because I’m seeing this shit unfold at my university, laugh at them online in my spare time and have a very low tolerance for people who think their view is the only correct one. But quite a few of these left wingers are only seeing the watered down, peace-and-love, touchy-feely side of the ideology. If you say you think we’re all human and should treat one another the same regardless of whatever labels someone might fit, then guess what? You’re one of them!

That’s how they pull in the ones who are otherwise chill and don’t give a shit - this is all too common amongst my age group in this country, one moment it’s reasonable things like “violence is bad, listen to scientific fact rather than kooky alternative medicine, don’t be a dick”, the next it’s BLM, “trans women are women, penises can be female” and bashing on groups they see as privileged because of that dumb prejudice + power definition they use. Disagree and you’re obviously a Trump supporting conservative regardless of your actual views on issues that aren’t identity politics.

Not to say this doesn’t come from both sides of the debate - anyone can be an asshole about their opinion and accuse dissenters of being evil and siding with the enemy. Modern politics is a shitshow largely thanks to the internet.
 
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Leftists live in a bubble that has to be too woke 4 u.
I remember when I used to hang out these circles. They said that they were leftist but ignore the plight of working class people. They only cared about virtue signalling, being more woker than thou and that's it.
You can see this shit playing out real-time with GAFCON and same-sex marriage in the Anglican communion.

"poor little ignorant Africans, they're lucky that they have people from the enlightened west to tell them how to think" -- someone who clearly hates colonialism
 

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the farther left the left goes, the more that yesterday's "leftist" policies become rightist.
This is largely the fault of the American conservatives themselves, because outside what happens during the elections (the only time the Republicans are actually trying to stand up for their agenda), many of them openly conduct a conciliatory policy with liberals/democrats and do little to put their values as paramount. On the other hand we shouldn't forget that the liberals in the American government only formally follow their "leftist policy". Despite all their promises to end poverty and unemployment, the chance that an ordinary American will be left without a livelihood in the second half of the 2000s and 2010s was many times higher than during the neo-liberal economy policies of the 90s, which was led by the Republican Party and in many ways by Bill Clinton himself. Many liberals are still very pro-business, 99% of the American economy is adjective to small and medium businesses. All that liberals have achieved over the past 20 years was an establishing of the excessive sympathic policies for people of color and illegal immigrants that exist at the expense of the radical demonization of White Americans, a health care reform that provoked a decline in household incomes for US citizens in the early 2010s and the legalization of fictitious same-sex marriage, because the very structure of marriage denies a union between two men or two women.
 
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That's bullshit. Both sides have lots of people who see the other as being inherently evil. And both sides have lots of people who see the other as being just wrong as far as opinions go. Just like there are plethora of leftists seeing everyone on the right as being nazi, there really are just as much right-wingers who honestly believe that leftists want to destroy the entire civilization just for the sake of destroying it.

It's rather prophetic to look back on year old posts given the state of things right now. Pushing past petty and pointless notions of "I told you so" - I'd rather have livelihoods restored, stores reopened, and statues back up on their fucking plinths. Vindication is never worth its price.

If we only knew how bad things really are..
 

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I am going to go against the pack a little on this answer and say that Leftism is not the inherent issue and is more a byproduct of a bigger issue.

I think why we see elitism is simply due to the increase in para-social activity and decrease in distinction between the real and virtual worlds. The internet is no longer the escapism of say tv, but more a part of one’s life at this point. What makes elitists is how far they go into making online their identity.

In recent times, many are going without real relationships as the internet and increase in productivity has lead to less social opportunity. For many, they have no friends or goals in the real world and build their identity completely around being a part of a group online and wasting away on Twitter, FaceBook, or Reddit. Elitism is mustered as they build their entire lives around said thing whether that be video games, sports, tv, movies, or in this case politics. When you build your identity around an online topic, you get people who are super defensive and holy than thou as this is their contribution to the world.

As an example: MovieBob is the perfect target. The dude got fired at least twice to my knowledge, and lives at home with his parents. He has no girlfriend or presumably any real friends. As for his goals in life, what are they? Talk about Super Mario Bros. 3 as a life changing experience for the millionth time? The dude has nothing. Politics are the only thing he really has, and the only thing to give him positive attention, even if it is with con artists like Anita. He acts high and mighty about his left ideals, as that is it, that is the only thing he truly has outside of his coonsomer mindset.

The truth is, internet elitism is not a leftist thing, the left just culminated a group between 2013-15 that can house these poor souls as a form of escape from their sad reality. Other groups online act exactly like this. We have Consoomers who dedicate their entire life to Disney, we have Nintendo fanboys that center their lives around a console era, and do I have to mention K-Pop stans. You can find the same type of elitism in many groups as they all get overly defensive about their brand and spend hours going off about it.

If you want to avoid becoming an elitist all you have to do are a few things:
1) Have an actual goal or get real life friends. Either will keep you grounded in reality.
2) Separate online and off.
3) Try new things, get involved in different groups. Do not build all your interests around one thing or mainstream material. A more rounded person is one with a more diverse color palette
4) Be able to accept opposition.
 

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The leftists are becoming increasingly irrelevant these days. I mean, they must really want Trump for another four years if they are putting Biden against him. And their numbers are shrinking due to their super elitist desire to see who can be the most woke person in the room. People tend to notice when a group starts disowning its own members for off hand things they may have said a decade ago. Their purity tests are so stringent that eventually nobody will be left in the world who is able to live up to them all. And it seems to me that the people who are complaining the most about white privilege are white suburban women who benefit the most from it these days:
 

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The truth is, internet elitism is not a leftist thing, the left just culminated a group between 2013-15 that can house these poor souls as a form of escape from their sad reality. Other groups online act exactly like this. We have Consoomers who dedicate their entire life to Disney, we have Nintendo fanboys that center their lives around a console era, and do I have to mention K-Pop stans. You can find the same type of elitism in many groups as they all get overly defensive about their brand and spend hours going off about it.
I'm reminded of some old story about how most people, if left on their own, will scurry off and immediately start building/seeking false idols to worship in absence of some sort of unifying moral doctrine keeping their asses in check..

..I mean, say what you want about Christianity in particular. I think there's a reason it's been so successful for so long, and the "elitism" being discussed is one of many glaring issues in the modern day West that it helped hold in check. Nothing is perfect, but some systems of morality are clearly better than others.

Would you rather have people worshipping aspects of globohomo hellbent on ensuring your entire fucking society comes unglued (whether actively or through sheer apathetic brainless consooming), or tolerating a group of religious nuts hellbent on "preserving society" in ways which you may not agree? Personally, I'd take the religious brand of elitism over what we have today every single time. I fucking hate things have gotten to the point where I've even thought about that.
 

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The problem of the left is that it was the hot rebelious fashion of the 90-00's and a good chunk of the people liking it never really grown out of this perception (both of who they are and who their opponents are). That's why there's the disconnect of them behaving like they are stepping up against Christians parents who think babies are immediately formed upon conception, rather than actually legitimate criticism of their actions.
 

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You can see this shit playing out real-time with GAFCON and same-sex marriage in the Anglican communion.

"poor little ignorant Africans, they're lucky that they have people from the enlightened west to tell them how to think" -- someone who clearly hates colonialism
Yeah, and this happen to how evil western colonists invented the gender binary. Curious that Mauritanians know which gender must suffer the tit flattening or ablation, or which people must shallow the semen from elders on order to pass to adulthood.
Leftisfs are stuck in the noble savage myth but with a twist, they can't do no wrong even if their practices are barbaric, if so, they say is their culture or blame whitey.
 
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