Why Argentina went from richest country to shithole - Lack of free trade,powerful unions,taxes,inflation and government gibs

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HolocaustDenier

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Your account of why your country declined completely rewrites history by ignoring the fascist coup of 1930, and the decades of political instability and intermittent military dictatorship which inevitably followed. Moreover, your understanding of the economic factors is particularly woeful:

Someone has obviously never read Keynes.
The General Theory Of Employment, Interest and Money was published in 1936.
Every Argentinian president followed Keynesianism since then, price control, wages determined by hand, restriction of foreign trade and expansionary monetary policies. Everything that always went wrong.
 

Hellbound Hellhound

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The General Theory Of Employment, Interest and Money was published in 1936.
Every Argentinian president followed Keynesianism since then, price control, wages determined by hand, restriction of foreign trade and expansionary monetary policies. Everything that always went wrong.
Someone else has obviously never read Keynes.

Keynes opposed price control, and embraced free trade.
 
If IMF stops loaning money to your government, would that help from accelerationist effect?
If the IMF lends us money then we will avoid a massive crisis but only for a while,something funny I heard from an economist the other day is that Argentina was lended almost 2 Marshall Plans in the last 20 years yet the country is still a massive shithole,everything is used to finance a shit industry,free gibs and corruption,no amount of money will save us because the average argentina is a socialist.
They sold their souls to Peronismo, over and over again, no matter how hard it fucked them in the ass, they kept doing it, they gleefully allow the same dick to fuck them in the ass for generations, no lube and then they have the audacity to ask why their ass bleeds so much.

Argentinians make Peruvians look like a high IQ superior race.
The 17 of october was the day of the peronist loyalty,look at the kind of people that are peronists,they are subhuman,middle class white people are also peronists but its much more common among poor retards.Even in the villa miseria where there are 8 browns living in 1 room they think that their lives are better because of peron,Argentinians are hopelessly brainwashed,they think basic economics is "neo-liberal" and therefore evil because "neo-liberals" are evil since they use arguments to tell them their ideas are the garbage can sticker.

@Tatu Carreta Would you say there was a move from authoritarian political leadership from above by a high-IQ "White-European" (Criollo/Castizo) minority, to democratic control by the lower-IQ mestizo/indio majority in Argentina? That's often a factor of decline in the 3rd world.
According to statistics at the beggining of the 20th century around 80% of the population was white and now ita about 30%,but that takes mestizos as white since there is no mestizo category so I would say around 15% is white. Hundreds of thousand of Argentinian leave per year,I wouldn't be surprised if most of the people who leave are white since whites are more educated,for example I'm leaving in about a year since I have Italian citizenship because I descend from Italians (you could make the argument italians are not white though).
 

LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]

I try so hard and got so far
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The General Theory Of Employment, Interest and Money was published in 1936.
Every Argentinian president followed Keynesianism since then, price control, wages determined by hand, restriction of foreign trade and expansionary monetary policies. Everything that always went wrong.
Same here in Memezuela. Keynesianism started at full force with the military dictatorship of Perez Jimenez and was taken to overdrive by the socdem bipartidism, then came full circle with another gibs military caudillo in the form of chavez.

Just print money for gibs brah. The state should spend, spend, spend, on subsidies. whats a little debt between friends? As long as nigger get free shit and everything is subsidized people will spend and something something economy. Really from the keynesianism of the 20th century to bolivarian socialism there were only a few steps in between. That shit is like crack for corrupt latinamerican politicians.
 
Same here in Memezuela. Keynesianism started at full force with the military dictatorship of Perez Jimenez and was taken to overdrive by the socdem bipartidism, then came full circle with another gibs military caudillo in the form of chavez.

Just print money for gibs brah. The state should spend, spend, spend, on subsidies. whats a little debt between friends? As long as nigger get free shit and everything is subsidized people will spend and something something economy. Really from the keynesianism of the 20th century to bolivarian socialism there were only a few steps in between. That shit is like crack for corrupt latinamerican politicians.
He gave an intellectual justification for increasing the size of government "we need more debt and taxes so we can hire public employees and give free shit away becase it's actually good for the economy" it doesnt matter if it never works.

As someone who is not a leftist and lives in a shithole country I can tell you the idea that "poor countries are like that cause they opressed" is shit,its because its filled with low IQ retards that vote for gibs and base all of their ideas on their hate for the succesful,it was not like this before but decades of brainwashing by all the media,artists,politicians and education system destroyed people minds and now the only option if you want a good life is to go to another country and leave all the leftists tards here so they can fight the capital while subsisting on corn flour for the rest of their lives.
 

LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]

I try so hard and got so far
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He gave an intellectual justification for increasing the size of government "we need more debt and taxes so we can hire public employees and give free shit away becase it's actually good for the economy" it doesnt matter if it never works.

As someone who is not a leftist and lives in a shithole country I can tell you the idea that "poor countries are like that cause they opressed" is shit,its because its filled with low IQ retards that vote for gibs and base all of their ideas on their hate for the succesful,it was not like this before but decades of brainwashing by all the media,artists,politicians and education system destroyed people minds and now the only option if you want a good life is to go to another country and leave all the leftists tards here so they can fight the capitalism while subsisting on corn flour for the rest of their lives.
More people should read Carlos Rangel but admitting all that shit is a myth is close to having a bullseye on the forehead, here the politics and culture was always leftist vs leftist, so elites will argue about which flavor of the same economic system is the best and agree "liberalization bad, first world rich because we poor" Its always a circular logic and Latin America will hardly ever improve. For much of latin american the "open veins" propaganda is religious dogma.

In the 90s Carlos Andres Perez tried to correct the way in Venezuela after a decade of massive fiscal deficit, devaluation and rise in crime and lowering of production brought on by decades of keynesianism and social democracy but he was labeled an evil neo liberal, had two coups against him (enter: Chavez), looting and was then ousted by his same party of social democrats who called him a traitor and expelled him from Accción Democrática.

The big irony is that in the 70s Carlos Andres was a huge keynesian gibsmachine, big spender of public funds and the one that nationalized gas, iron and oil industries, but the second he strayed from socialist policies , tried to stop the massive gibs train in his second periods in the 90s and tried to diversify the economy and bring forth private investment he was crucified. No one can go against the socialism in this swamp, even after 20 years of misery of chavismo all political parties remain socialist, there isn´t a single party in the "opposition" who is not a member of the socialist international, hell, President of Acción Democrática, Ramos Allup was also the president of the socialist international, thats the "venezuelan right". Thats why every attempt by the citizens to oust Maduro ends up being sabotaged by socialist politicians who don't want to change the system or the status quo.

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Imperial Citizen

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Sometimes I wonder how Argentina would be today if Peron never reached power?
There would have eventually been some conflict between rural elite and urban industry. Maybe if you have a statesmanlike figure who could reduce the disparity in political influence between the two without rigging the economy to benefit your party. The other issue would be dealing with the communists. If it’s post WW2 and you placate the communists, Washington turns Argentina into a “beef republic”.
 

Seventh Star

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Sometimes I wonder how Argentina would be today if Peron never reached power?
Not too different. Radicalism would've followed the same steps, they're basically opportunistic populists to a worse extent than Peronists are, at least they stand for workers rights on principle, except for Menem.

It's ironic that Perón himself eventually did away with his nationalistic, Keynesian policies when he realized how exceptional it was. I do like to think the man left a terrible legacy but somehow realized his fuckups along the way.
 

cybertoaster

Chairman of the mammary regulation committee
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Argentina has some hilarious story of extreme trickery

There was this guy called Perito Moreno who got the entire Patagonia, like 1/3 of the country, from Chile by inviting the Chilean diplomats to dinner and getting them super drunk then bringing the treaty for them to sign that basically said Patagonia belonged to Argentina now and they were okay with it

And thats not the only time he pulled shit like this, there was a disputed mountain that was on Chile's side but still didnt have a name or a flag on it so he distracted the Chileans with a tour while his men went to the mountain and planted the Argentine flag on it

And it gets even more insane: there was this river that went into Chile and Moreno wanted that water so he got a bunch of German laborers who went to Argentina to get better jobs and basically forced them to dig a canal at gunpoint day and night so when the Chileans showed up the river was now flowing into Argentina instead, literally you have a drying river on one side and a half-assed canal going the other way, and remains like that to this day
 

Bosmadden

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Nations are their people. This has become a controversial statement for believers in magic dirt, but it's true.

If Argentina was populated by high IQ northern Europeans you wouldn't be in the shit you are. Plus having the largest Jewish population in Latin America didn't help.

A population made up of a disproportionate number of easily led dumb dumbs who will be bought off with free gibs to the benefit of a work shy and parasitic elite.

Not to worry the rest of the west are rapidly following you down the shithole. There is comfort in shared misery.
 

cybertoaster

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If Argentina was populated by high IQ northern Europeans you wouldn't be in the shit you are. Plus having the largest Jewish population in Latin America didn't help.

Doubt, Brazil for example has a huge german population in the south and a ton of japanese too, but that country was a shithole too until recently, with Argentina basically being a first world country in comparison during most of the 20th century

Even today Argentina has a higher HDI than Brazil and you're less likely to get shot to death there than in Brazil, tho probably not for long

Wait why did Hitler go to Argentina then?

IIRC this fuckedhead peron was basically taking on anyone after the war, jews and nazis alike
 

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