Why do peeps want socialism/communism? - Zoomer Delusions

Bungus Scrungus

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An ideology created by a hypocritical bastard who was rightfully seen as a crazy piece of garbage in his time is truly only destined for failure. People should have stopped longing for it as soon as the elections held after the dissolution of the Soviet Union showed that no one. Fucking NO ONE on the Eastern Bloc wanted that shit back. Poland voted 99 to 1. 99 to 1. But no, if there's one thing the freedom bestowed to America allows, it's idiotic people who know nothing of anything being allowed to say whatever, and somehow get support for it. It's no surprise any actually decently educated people or those who lived through this shit who ironically weren't the 1% whom the system didn't suck massive dick for; immediately disavow and tell Communism to fuck off.
 

DukeOfNimonia

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I think it's a combination of many things but primarily, it's trendy. You will not be destroyed online in most places for praising communism and since it's also "cool" it's free upvotes/likes/dopamine-icon.
If you ask them what communism is they will probably tell you it's equality for all, free healthcare, free education, public transportation, a fair government, and then some. ALL positive traits. Ask them to name one problem with communism or whatever flavor they've decided to champion and they won't be able to.

They don't look into history nor do they care what you have to say. When they say communism is cool they get dopamine-icons and that's that.
These people aren't talking about the Soviet Union or DPR Korea. They mean something more like the UK or EU, where healthcare is either cheap or free, and people are free to start families and get higher education without crippling debt. Places where a two-week hospital stay won't lead to a six-figure medical bill. Places where they get paid sick leave, paid maternity leave, and paid vacation.

A place where human need comes ahead of corporate greed.

Yeah...that's much better than the utter shitshow called the American system.
 

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They are only promises of free stuff and better everything, who in the world doesn't want free stuff? It's an inherent appeal to most people but in reality how often has it really worked? Who is going to pay for it?

Younger audiences aren't usually the ones who think about long term consequences, and that's an easy exploit to get votes, favors, support, and power from the young and ignorant.
 

Hux

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but muh anarcho-communism

communism is always meant to be stateless!!111!one11
Anytime you ever come across anyone who ever refers to themselves as an Anarcho-Anything, let alone -Communist, you can very safely deduct that there is nothing that person will say that will add any value to your life

Especially if the first digit of that person's age is greater than 1
 

Aidan

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These people aren't talking about the Soviet Union or DPR Korea. They mean something more like the UK or EU, where healthcare is either cheap or free, and people are free to start families and get higher education without crippling debt. Places where a two-week hospital stay won't lead to a six-figure medical bill. Places where they get paid sick leave, paid maternity leave, and paid vacation.

A place where human need comes ahead of corporate greed.

Yeah...that's much better than the utter shitshow called the American system.
These people don't know what they're talking about even if they say "I'm talking about..." and the few who are able to stand behind a podium to preach to the followers tend to be more extreme than just wanting a few socialized programs instituted. There's no "just" with these people which is part of the problem.
Interestingly, it's corporations in the US that tend to publicly back these people more than anything.

To me, I just think most of them want free stuff. A lot of #berniebros were banking on their student debt being forgiven. The rest was just icing on the cake, as long as Bernie basically signed a check for their overpriced education they voluntarily entered into. The horror stories of US education being cruelly expensive are based in truth but most student don't end up with even 40k in debt, let alone 100k. Poor people most of all are the least likely to be in such extreme debt, so the ones who "go broke" from that debt were their own enemies all along and it is not my job as a taxpayer to solve their problems.
The loudest in support of socialized healthcare are usually also broken in some way, often at fault of their own. See: Fat

That isn't to say college and university isn't an overpriced racket that's taking advantage of ignorant young adults or that US healthcare is flawless or fairly priced, it's saying that these people just want it to be free and don't care to address the actual systemic problems that led to the current disasters. Fuck them.
 

DukeOfNimonia

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They are only promises of free stuff and better everything, who in the world doesn't want free stuff? It's an inherent appeal to most people but in reality how often has it really worked? Who is going to pay for it?
It's not free stuff; it's government-financed stuff that our taxes pay for. Just like K-12 school, the libraries, the police, fire department, and seemingly 69,105 other things that our taxes finance. If you want some ideas? Try luxury taxes, sin taxes, or taxes on assets that exceed so many millions of dollars. This is a challenge that every civilized nation on Earth has succeeded. What's wrong with us?

Younger audiences aren't usually the ones who think about long term consequences, and that's an easy exploit to get votes, favors, support, and power from the young and ignorant.
That's rich, when we consider that it's the boomer generation which fucked us with their short-sightedness. The younger ones see the long-term consequences of these boomers' actions all too well - unemployment, debt, and financial ruin. Just ask any millennial - they don't want to be Lumpenproleteriat - they just want to make their way in the world without being financially assraped at every turn.

The boomers and capitalist overclass are the villains here. Not the millennials.
 
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welcometotherock

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I don't want socialism or communism. All I want is the following:
  • A proper network of safety that isn't liable to be gutted whenever the USA wants to fund the war machine. UBI/Negative income tax was supported by Milton Friedman, the man that the USA based their monetary policy off of. I don't think that's a controversial opinion to have.
  • A healthcare system where pharmaceutical companies and insurance providers aren't working together to bleed citizens dry of every last shekel they have
  • Total transparency with the way that tax dollars on a municipal, state, and federal level are spent made easily accessible to anyone who wants to know such information.
 

SageInAllFields

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1. They lack meaning, but traditional religion is 'cringe' so they made one up where everything their heart desires is allowed and the only people who are bad are the ones who don't let them have it and that in turn gives them something to fight for.
2. Liberal capitalism has utterly failed our generation, all sorts of very avoidable social maladies are prevalent, then here comes along communism which promises them the world. No matter how uncertain they are of the benefits of communism, they are more certain about the damage liberal capitalism has done. Why wouldn't they be communists?

Anytime you ever come across anyone who ever refers to themselves as an Anarcho-Anything, let alone -Communist, you can very safely deduct that there is nothing that person will say that will add any value to your life
I disagree, I think that every atheist should read The Ego and it's Own if they're unwilling to seriously consider reading any religious text.

But no, if there's one thing the freedom bestowed to America allows, it's idiotic people who know nothing of anything being allowed to say whatever, and somehow get support for it.
It's almost like systems seek order and all 'freedom' does is leave a massive power vaccum to be filled by the next thing that comes along. It's literally why anarchism doesn't works but lolbertarians for some reason thinks that stops applying once you have some kind of state.
 
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GuntPunt

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They have never experienced hardship in their lives, typically. They were brainwashed by whatever influencer, be it education or social media or even their parents, to romanticize it. It always starts with the students and then it catches on to the useful idiots until the implementers get into the governments.

I can give you a recent example. Nicaragua is currently going through a Cold Civil War. Ironically, it started when engineering students in Managua protested for fair elections at the University. Over 50 students were executed by the state, which pissed everyone off. The government realized that the Internet was showing their actions beyond the censor, but acclimated to the situation too late. What's the point of all this? Free speech and freedom to protest are the things Antifa and the champaign socialists use to express their message and they are the first things to go under Communism. They don't know what it is like to live under these conditions, and believe they won't be lined up against the wall like everyone else. They can't piece together that Communism is tool where REAL fascists use to get into power and control with an iron grip.

I just find it horrific that students can preach the joys of Communism undisturbed due to the freedoms in one country, and south of the border that students are shot for wanting a free country under a Communist dictatorship.
 

DukeOfNimonia

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They have never experienced hardship in their lives, typically. They were brainwashed by whatever influencer, be it education or social media or even their parents, to romanticize it. It always starts with the students and then it catches on to the useful idiots until the implementers get into the governments.
Are you fucking joking? The ones who are rising up are the ones suffocated by student loan debt, a dying economy, and an inability to see much of a future under the current system. The ones doing the brainwashing are the overclass who preach about bootstraps and elbow grease, oblivious to the fact that these things can only overcome so much. They're working hard, yet not getting anywhere. Start with this: https://medium.com/@umairh

I can give you a recent example. Nicaragua is currently going through a Cold Civil War. Ironically, it started when engineering students in Managua protested for fair elections at the University. Over 50 students were executed by the state, which pissed everyone off. The government realized that the Internet was showing their actions beyond the censor, but acclimated to the situation too late. What's the point of all this? Free speech and freedom to protest are the things Antifa and the champaign socialists use to express their message and they are the first things to go under Communism. They don't know what it is like to live under these conditions, and believe they won't be lined up against the wall like everyone else. They can't piece together that Communism is tool where REAL fascists use to get into power and control with an iron grip.
That's Marxism, which is just one branch of Communism. As I wrote before, these Bernie Bros are more like Social Democrats. I agree with you about Soviet-style Communism. I don't think that's what these Millenials want, though.

I just find it horrific that students can preach the joys of Communism undisturbed due to the freedoms in one country, and south of the border that students are shot for wanting a free country under a Communist dictatorship.
Agreed.
 

Syaoran Li

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It's not free stuff; it's government-financed stuff that our taxes pay for. Just like K-12 school, the libraries, the police, fire department, and seemingly 69,105 other things that our taxes finance. If you want some ideas? Try luxury taxes, sin taxes, or taxes on assets that exceed so many millions of dollars. This is a challenge that every civilized nation on Earth has succeeded. What's wrong with us?


That's rich, when we consider that it's the boomer generation which fucked us with their short-sightedness. The younger ones see the long-term consequences of these boomers' actions all too well - unemployment, debt, and financial ruin. Just ask any millennial - they don't want to be Lumpenproleteriat - they just want to make their way in the world without being financially assraped at every turn.

The boomers and capitalist overclass are the villains here. Not the millennials.
As someone who was born in the early 90's, let me say that the Baby Boomers are unironically the greatest generation that ever lived. Boomers are our cultural and intellectual superiors in all ways imaginable..

The Millennials are the worst generation, especially the Late Millennials and the Early Zoomers too.

Millennials hating on the Boomers is just a mix of troll-shielding and trying to absolve any of the blame they may have for their own failures and shortcomings. Blaming Boomers for all of the big problems faced by Millennials is the generational equivalent of Anthony "A-Log" LoGatto hating on Chris-Chan for being a sperg and "giving autistic people a bad name" or similar bullshit along those lines.

Quit getting your political beliefs from punk culture and Marvel capeshit and while you're at it, close your goddamn mouth and shave your goddamn fucking beard.

(inb4 the tired "OK Boomer" meme)
 
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The Pink Panther

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As someone who was born in the early 90's, let me say that the Baby Boomers are unironically the greatest generation that ever lived. Boomers are our cultural and intellectual superiors in all ways imaginable..

The Millennials are the worst generation, especially the Late Millennials and the Early Zoomers too.

Millennials hating on the Boomers is just a mix of troll-shielding and trying to absolve any of the blame they may have for their own failures and shortcomings. Blaming Boomers for all of the big problems faced by Millennials is the generational equivalent of Anthony "A-Log" LoGatto hating on Chris-Chan for being a sperg and "giving autistic people a bad name" or similar bullshit along those lines.

Quit getting your political beliefs from punk culture and Marvel capeshit and while you're at it, close your goddamn mouth shave your goddamn fucking beard.

(inb4 the tired "OK Boomer" meme)
What about Generation X?
 

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So don't you think it's because of their sort of lack of good parenting that resulted in that sorta....you know.
Partly, but I'd say more of it had to do with a broken education system, the over-emphasis of the college degree, and the general awfulness of the Religious Right and the Bush Administration in the childhood and teen years of the Millennials and Early Zoomers. The combination of all those factors were a perfect storm that warped the minds of a generation.
 

Demoneater

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They can't piece together that Communism is tool where REAL fascists use to get into power and control with an iron grip.
And they don't understand that fascism was influenced by Hegel and Georges Sorel. Or that it's also anti capitalist in nature using corporatism or syndicalism instead. I also see hammer and sickle avatars in Cultured Thugs comment section from time to time or current third positionists say they were formerly marxists.
 

abacussedout

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A lot of this talk of kids thinking times are tough now and the future is bleak...do you have parents? Did they have parents? How do the hardships of your grandparents compare to yours?

The berniebros whining about paying their student loans typically spent more money than they should have on things that weren't directly tied to their education, but used their student loans for it (no one is forcing you to buy video games, eat out, travel on vacations). I volunteer with an exchange student organization and it's always amazing to see the contrast between people that come to the states to actually study on a limited budget, and entitled american students who spend like there's no tomorrow. It's not surprising to hear berniebros don't want to have to manage their post college budget enough to pay back debts. They also aren't setting aside money for retirement and expect taxpayers to fund that too.

There are income based payment plans and deferments for financial hardship, programs abound for refinancing, etc.. Education is an investment in your future. It's going to cost you something. If you choose to live frugally during your time at college, including having a part time job, you can come out with very little debt even in today's fucked up pricing. You can reduce this further by going to a community college for the first half of the degree. A lot of high school systems also partner with community colleges so you can start earning credit, even to the point of finishing high school with an associates degree. Or you don't even have to go to school full time. Work full time and take night classes and pay your way through. Our system is amazingly accommodating for all walks of life. All of these things require extra time and effort, however.

But if you agree people should not face the consequences of their spending and want a college degree to become the new lowest common denominator, you don't need to wait until the government forces you via taxes. You can donate to scholarship programs, or just go to any of these riots and offer a random kid money for their education. I'm sure they'll use it wisely.
 
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