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Weve gotten to a point where anyone considered centrist is considered left leaning.

I'm all for guns right.
And I'm all for pro choice.
I'm open for gays and trannies to go through legally binding marriage.
And I'm open for the right of anyone to express their opinion about it.

Theres a picture painted about the left as hyper screeching and canceling but when it comes to policy they can be more willing to make compromises when you break down each individual on the left.

You are now considering a right wing nazi for all those views.

amazing how that works.
 

starborn427614

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I was considered anti-gun for a time. That failed Texas church shooting some time ago changed my mind.
As a bong gun stuff is alien to me anyway, but it's still a deadly weapon and should be treated with respect. There should be more checks at a base level (especially on the mental health side of things) if only help stem the tide if nothing else. Banning guns entirely would never work, nor does it need to happen if people in general are smarter about how they handle their weapons.
 

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As a bong gun stuff is alien to me anyway, but it's still a deadly weapon and should be treated with respect. There should be more checks at a base level (especially on the mental health side of things) if only help stem the tide if nothing else. Banning guns entirely would never work, nor does it need to happen if people in general are smarter about how they handle their weapons.
Mental health has been an issue often ignored in America for decades. Pills and such are used as a band-aid to a bigger problem.
 

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I used to be a leftist. There were many things that disillusioned me over the years. One of those things was identity politics. They abandoned egalitarianism, then decided that racism, bigotry, and xenophobia are only bad when white people do it. Straight white men in particular became public enemy number one. So now the left fully endorses hate as long as it's the right people doing the hating. They also replaced the idea of equality with equity. Equal opportunity and equality before the law were no longer good enough. White guilt and privileges for white women, minorities, and immigrants became the new mantra of the left. The biggest, and saddest, irony is that while the left claims to hate what they perceive as "white male privilege," they also hypocritically push for privileges for everyone else. What makes it worse is that none of these aforementioned people are held to any of these lofty left-liberal standards. For example, they don't care if blacks are racist to Latinos and Asians. Likewise, it's no big deal that black churchs and Muslims are religious fundamentalists because at least they're not white men! This is even more insiduous with their whole "cultural appropriation" bullshit. Never mind that cultural diffusion is a normal part of human society and history. Never mind that in a multicultural society that people are bound to share and borrow their customs, traditions, and ideas. Everyone must keep to their own kind no matter what though, because, according to the left, it's colonialism or whatever nonsense they're spewing.

In addition to the above, they use identity politics as an excuse to do other authoritarian actions such as censorship, personality cults, doublethink, thought policing, historical negationism, collective punishment, and anti-intellectualism. They have their own excuses, but they're now doing the same shit they claimed they hated the right for doing. It's not okay and it never will be. What made this worse is that it wasn't just a far left thing. The so-called center left, which the Democrats claim to be, also promote this bullshit. The whole goddamn liberal-left spectrum is awful. Everything is offensive and problematic to these people. I've said this before and I'll say it again, they want to turn our society into a sterile totalitarian hugbox. They want totalitarian control over popular culture and people's private lives. They want to erase history too. One thing they share in common with the right is their aversion to individuality too by the way. You must conform and be a part of the collective! How dare you ask questions, disagree, or think in any capacity!

Then there's the structural matters, such as economics. They unironically believe that going full socialist/communist is a panacea to all our problems. Most of them really do want to take away any type of private ownership. Personally, I still think some very limited forms of common ownership can be okay, but these people want to collectivize or nationalize nearly everything and that's ridiculous. This is just as awful as them micromanaging people's thoughts and popular culture. It's like Frank Zappa said, people want to own things!

To be fair, I don't consider myself a conservative or rightist. There are still things I disagree with the right about. For instance, I'm staunchly atheist and support science and technology. Despite that, I love religious studies, including Christianity, and support freedom of religion. I know science and technology aren't perfect and can be politicized like anything else. Also, I'm aware that big business can be a corrupting influence on those too. I'm also a civil libertarian, so naturally I don't like it when the right pushes for authoritarianism. On the same note, I find so-called white collectivism just as cringey and stupid as socialism and communism. Another thing both sides share in common is their hatred for dissent. Neither want you to question authority, whether it's tradtional or revolutionary authority. The right doesn't want you to question tradition, but on the same note the left doesn't want you to question change. I know the left generally likes to claim that change is inherently good, but history shows that change is not always good or necessary. Likewise, tradition isn't always bad or unnecessary.

These days I consider myself an independent. I feel awkward calling myself a centrist only because it has the connotation of being a fence-sitter which I am not. I very much have strong beliefs. I just have a hodgepodge of beliefs that can fall under either category.

TLDR: The left became the regressive left and alienated me. I am an independent with a mix of beliefs. Thank you for reading my long sperg-out if you did. It could have been longer, but I'm not going to bore you guys with a quasi-manifesto.
 
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Am I misreading you, or are you saying there are a lot of pro-choice, pro-gay-marriage nazis?
Nope. If you have any "Right wing" thoughts you are therefore a nazi regardless .

Pro-choice and Pro-Gay are accepted in some circles of the conservative circles and/or modern day Republican party (Gays yes for sure). The irony is that both of these were so ingrained into the Democratic Party (Liberal/Left) that it was a given that if you believed in either you were considered a Liberal Democrat.
 

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Because I still the think the core tenet of treating everyone with dignity and respect regardless of their differences has value.

The trouble is the left today has abandoned that and are hardcore hypocrites, it's ok to treat people like absolute fucking garbage so long as they have the "wrong" opinions, then they can be just as racist, sexist and bigoted as they want.

It's so on it's face wrong and yet almost the entirety of the left has fallen prey to it, you're treated like the bad guy for calling out this hypocrisy, it really makes me feel pessimistic sometimes and wonder if mankind is basically doomed, that it's only a matter of time before we destroy ourselves in some apocalyptic scale war because we simply do not know how to treat each other right.
 

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The irony is that both of these were so ingrained into the Democratic Party (Liberal/Left) that it was a given that if you believed in either you were considered a Liberal Democrat.
And many people who are mentally stuck in the Bush administration still believe this.

Hell, I think this thought pattern is exactly how some people get bullied into accepting (or at the very least, not outright rejecting) idpol shit:
1. If you're pro-choice and have no problem with homosexuality, then you must be a liberal.
2. If you're a liberal, you must also accept identity politics, critical race theory, etc.
3. If you don't accept these things, you're one of those evil conservatives.
4. If you're a conservative, then you hate women and gay people.
5. If you don't hate women and gay people, see Point 1.

Point 1 is so deeply embedded into their skulls that they can't break away from the rest of it.
 

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Because I still the think the core tenet of treating everyone with dignity and respect regardless of their differences has value.

The trouble is the left today has abandoned that and are hardcore hypocrites, it's ok to treat people like absolute fucking garbage so long as they have the "wrong" opinions, then they can be just as racist, sexist and bigoted as they want.

It's so on it's face wrong and yet almost the entirety of the left has fallen prey to it, you're treated like the bad guy for calling out this hypocrisy, it really makes me feel pessimistic sometimes and wonder if mankind is basically doomed, that it's only a matter of time before we destroy ourselves in some apocalyptic scale war because we simply do not know how to treat each other right.
That's just the Left. Regular people will nope out and lol at their insanity. I'd rather check their insanity, but we have to make do unless you're talking about illegal means.
 

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And many people who are mentally stuck in the Bush administration still believe this.

Hell, I think this thought pattern is exactly how some people get bullied into accepting (or at the very least, not outright rejecting) idpol shit:
1. If you're pro-choice and have no problem with homosexuality, then you must be a liberal.
2. If you're a liberal, you must also accept identity politics, critical race theory, etc.
3. If you don't accept these things, you're one of those evil conservatives.
4. If you're a conservative, then you hate women and gay people.
5. If you don't hate women and gay people, see Point 1.

Point 1 is so deeply embedded into their skulls that they can't break away from the rest of it.
I've seen that phenomena with a lot of older liberals, people who are stuck in the Dubya years.

They've seen conservatives as the bad guys for so long and made opposition to them such a core part of their identity that they can't even begin to comprehend that the "bad guys" were maybe not as bad as they thought or they don't have the guts to admit it, so they're forced to accept whatever crazy bullshit the modern left pushes without question.

That's just the Left. Regular people will nope out and lol at their insanity. I'd rather check their insanity, but we have to make do unless you're talking about illegal means.
I was making a wider statement about the human condition in general, since we seen now just how fallible human nature in general truly is.
 

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Well, first of all; i not born with a nice economic situation in my country, i'm not too poor either, more like the "low-to-middle class" or something like that.

I'm not too fondle with ideologies thought, i always see Blue & Red, Left & Right, East & West (whatever you call those concepts) more like the same shit but with different approaches, and either way always fuck up the society.

But... probably i can share more inclination in the Left rather than the Right only for not being conservative in my thoughts, but i don't have identification either.
 

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I cannot stress this enough. Sexualization needs to be moderated within reason.

I don't care of you like the same sex, don't be flamboyant about it.

If I can't proclaim how much dick I suck and/or take it up the ass loud and proud while dilating I am being discriminated and/or persecuted against by nazi racist homophobes. -- Twitter User

I miss the days where everyone kept their shit to themselves instead of declaring to the world who they sleep with and why they are a special and everyone who disagrees with them is the epidemy of the devil.
 

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If I can't proclaim how much dick I suck and/or take it up the ass loud and proud while dilating I am being discriminated and/or persecuted against by nazi racist homophobes. -- Twitter User

I miss the days where everyone kept their shit to themselves instead of declaring to the world who they sleep with and why they are a special and everyone who disagrees with them is the epidemy of the devil.
Remember that Playboy's are considered misogynistic. Those handled sex with more respect compared to say the "body positivity" movement.
 
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