Why do you lean left? -

[Subtle]

My biggest gripe with the mainstream left and self-described socialists is that they are effectively neoliberals.

Their rhetoric is about neoliberalism being a great evil but yet they support neoliberals. Globohomo is a conspiracy buzzword, but it is an apt description of the mainstream left.

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Their rejection of free speech and sudden love for giant corporations is the final nail in the coffin for me ever supporting them again.

Champagne socialists, those bastards. When media presents these people, they’re not sending our best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing cringe. They’re bringing cancel culture. They’re dropouts. And some, I assume, are useful idiots.

 

[Extreme Aneurysm]

You all are fags and unironically state your fag opinions. Everyone in this thread sound like a person who was forced to take an AAA meeting by a court and have to regurgitate everything they are told or risk going to jail.
This isn't deep thoughts, these are fag takes.
Anyone who want more governmental control like the left should kill themselves! You will never be a woman.

 

[Lil' Misogynist]

The left used to be the main force for gun rights in the country. Some prominent American leftist who's name escapes me cited the gun on the family mantle as the source of America's greatness.



Public healthcare: Works better than America's network of private insurance companies. This will lead to govt regulation of things like the amount of sugar in pop/soda, but it is worth the cost. Insurance companies and/or the lack of a safety net already effectively restricts liberties so these types of unnoticed regulations should be less of an issue.

Inequality: Markets are a good idea, but having all of the wealth funneling to the top is dangerous. The left is dominated by the part of the elite that have a paternal mindset and savior complex, but that does not change the fact that they come from the system championed by the right.

Social issues: The Right hate to hear this but they are still dominated by the religious moral majority. American, Canadian and British conservatives would probably ban weed if they could (In the USA they still do). They're anti-gay, anti-trans, and want to regulate areas such as free expression. I'm not hyped about the LGBT subculture, but they should have the right to do their own thing.

Discourse: The left does this but its worth mentioning. The Right are knowingly misinforming people and allying themselves with questionable people. Paul Joseph Watson, Sargon, Ian Miles Cheong, Epoch Times, Falun Gong, the Moonies, OANN, and all that lie or are just simply morally dubious. I know many of them should know better. Some like Cheong admit to lying to further an idea, and others like Sargon should know better than to call Biden a communist. I know that Sargon is aware of the differences between Marxism, Marxist-Leninism, and various types of early socialism. They know better, but yet lie. They embrace anti-intellectualism on issues like climate change, COVID, and race just to support arguments that honestly don't need anti-intellectualism to stand. The rampant conspirism and lying is simply not healthy.

Militarism: Max Boot ("We should patrol the world like we patrolled the wild west") became a Democrat because of Trump, but Trump still greatly increased spending on the military-industrial complex. Conservatives in most every country generally support unnecessary military spending and conflict. In the case of the USA/Canada/Britain this is driven by cultish evangelicals who think supporting Israel will bring on the apocalypse and questionable big business interests.

Racism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_8E3ENrKrQ

Racist Republicans exist and have had racist agendas. Aspiring for equality and meritocracy requires rejecting such ideas. The poster of this video mistakenly frame this as the parties switching on racism. I see it more as the Republicans embracing small government southern whites to finally become a national party as the Dems become more big government. The Dems did not stop being racist, but the Reps sure as hell did become more racist.





My biggest gripe with the mainstream left and self-described socialists is that they are effectively neoliberals.

Their rhetoric is about neoliberalism being a great evil but yet they support neoliberals. Globohomo is a conspiracy buzzword, but it is an apt description of the mainstream left.

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Their rejection of free speech and sudden love for giant corporations is the final nail in the coffin for me ever supporting them again.

Though I’m definitely not a leftist, with a few exceptions, this is a very spot-on summary of my own issues with the American right-wing. Especially the bit about intentional anti-intellectualism. The science denial and culture of proud ignorance is a worrying trend. We need to stop acting like Republicans, conservatives, etc. aren’t majorly contributing to political tribalism. Also, their view of the world tends to be as bleak, angry, and soul-crushing as what I see from hardcore social justice advocates.

I've pretty much given up on posting on KF because ever since the Farms have got overrun by rightoid political refugees from Reddit, the dominant ideological positions here piss me off way too much, and I don't feel like arguing with everyone only to get mad, receive negative ratings and ruin my free time.

I’ve kinda had a similar issue. I can enjoy and appreciate dark/edgy humor. I don’t want to feel like I’m back on the middle school playground.

 

[Rorschach Test]

(lots of shit i didn’t read)

You might be in the wrong thread, friendo.

The fundamentals of leftism remain strong. The history of hitherto existing society is one of class struggle. This dynamic has plainly managed to survive every upheaval that may have promised to end it ‘naturally’: industrialization, the digital revolution, theinternet. The ruling class still owns the means of production. Everyone else is forced to sell their labor to survive. The ruling class uses all sorts of distractions to divide and weaken the working class - racism, culture war issues - so they can continue to keep their power. You can try to reduce this to “you just want the government to have more control :’( “ but right now the gov has plenty of control, and it’s also a puppet of the ultra-wealthy. That’s why your life sucks, not because of blue-haired college students.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Thread topic: "why do you lean left"
Most of the responses: "why i am no longer left"

Max Boot ("We should patrol the world like we patrolled the wild west") became a Democrat because of Trump, but Trump still greatly increased spending on the military-industrial complex.

The MIC grows principally by virtue of stoking global conflict that necessitates the production that fuels the complex-- that's why we're supposed to be wary of it. That's distinct from spending money to make sure your military is up-to-date.

 

[Slap47]

Thread topic: "why do you lean left"
Most of the responses: "why i am no longer left"


The MIC grows principally by virtue of stoking global conflict that necessitates the production that fuels the complex-- that's why we're supposed to be wary of it. That's distinct from spending money to make sure your military is up-to-date.

Despising the current parties and movements does not make you no longer left/left leaning.

I mostly align with you, but what about education? Are you for a blend of privatized and public education with more money put towards them? That's how I am and, in response to the corruption of college campuses, they'd also be regulated in terms of infrastructure so they don't intentionally inflate their budgets to ridiculous degrees.

Its very difficult to answer to this question because its more than just less government or more government. New York has strong teachers unions and lots of govt, but the schools they have for normal kids are shit. Arkansas and West Virginia have their schools on starvation spending and this results in the worst test scores. Michigan tried widespread charter schools and it made everything worse.

New York has a crisis of shitty teachers and poorly allocated spending. Teachers are actively harming students both through denying them funds through the massive amount of money they demand and rape (with no consequences).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reassignment_centers

Arkansas/West Virginian teachers are paid little and have to buy their students basic supplies. Not surprisingly, the students are vegetables.

Michigan tried widespread Charter schools. Charter schools are usually good because they're started up by passionate people who want an alternative to the public system. In Michigan corporations made charter schools and ran them worse than public schools following the ethos of profit maximization. They would accept more kids than they could handle to get subsidies but then reject kids just before the school year to handle a lower yield. These kids would go to a public system unprepared to handle them. Michigan schools would regularly close randomly forcing kids to get GEDs. They were often found to be utterly corrupt and ripe with abuse.

As far as the USA goes, they should follow the example of Canada's western provinces

https://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/HermanCanadaReport.pdf

The province/state funds the schools directly, and demand degrees from teachers. Spending on students is actually limited in the name of equality, but this results in institutional changes that benefit all. There are two competing systems (public and Catholic) and this results in a healthy dialogue on education.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuition_freeze

The Canadian example also solves the College issue. The best way to reduce costs is to limit spending and the best way to limit spending is to directly reduce the amount of money paid to schools.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Despising the current parties and movements does not make you no longer left/left leaning.

It necessarily does. Specifically, it means that the entire world has shifted around you, meaning that you changed your position without actually moving.

That aside, I was specifically referring to a seemingly common refrain of "I used to be left-leaning, and here's why" instead of "here's why I lean left" or even "I consider myself left-leaning but the mainstream left is fucking bonkers".

 

[DDBCAE CBAADCBE]

You all just sound like a bunch of loud bitchy faggots to me regardless of what side you’re on.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

You all just sound like a bunch of loud bitchy faggots to me regardless of what side you’re on.

Sounds like centrist projection to me!

 

[Muh Vagina]

Because facts over feelings. Despite cries to the contrary, it's the conservatives who value feels over reals. They think that zygotes scream in agony during abortion, believe that two guys fucking is the sign of end times, and think that the values of our nation should be dictated by a magical sky being.

 

[mario if smoke weed]

The left might be fucking stupid sometimes, but at least some of their ideas make sense. Switching to renewable energy sources and curbing climate change is cool. Being able to come home to a decent-quality house after an honest day's work should be the norm, not a pipe dream. Two people should be able to love, fuck and marry regardless of what's in their pants, as long as it's a mutually consensual and healthy relationship.

That, and the right gave us religious nutjobs, QAnon followers, and George W. Bush.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Because facts over feelings. Despite cries to the contrary, it's the conservatives who value feels over reals. They think that zygotes scream in agony during abortion, believe that two guys fucking is the sign of end times, and think that the values of our nation should be dictated by a magical sky being.

Go back to 2006.

 

[Muh Vagina]

Go back to 2006.

Don't you have an abortion clinic to bomb?

 

[TFT-A9]

Because facts over feelings. Despite cries to the contrary, it's the conservatives who value feels over reals. They think that zygotes scream in agony during abortion, believe that two guys fucking is the sign of end times, and think that the values of our nation should be dictated by a magical sky being.

Kill yourself. Spare yourself the agony of continuing to exist alongside these people.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Don't you have an abortion clinic to bomb?

Why would I kill people?

 

[FugginBawls]

I simply don't care about fags, trannies or abortions as much as the right do. I'm not full on lefty as I think poor people are poor a lot of the time because of their own decisions, certain 'oppressed' minorities should fix their own communities and not expect society to bend to their whims and I love my guns and the right to defend myself.

Can't be fucked to care about religion and I also think billionaires deserve nothing but the worst. Taxes are fucking gay but they serve a purpose and that's just the way it is.

 

[Prince of Crows]

I'm in a funny spot where lefties often consider me a rightie and righties often consider me a leftie. Without power levelling I'll say this comes from a European perspective rather than American.

I support a social safety net, minimum wage and universal medical care for citizens. I've been a member of a union since I was 18 & have always been class conscious to a degree. I'm also against foreign intervention unless there is a genuine, imminent threat.

On the other hand I despise wokeism and tokenism. I don't believe opening the borders to the world will benefit my country, the LGBT agenda is a joke, there are definitely differences between genders & races in a very general sense and I have a strong sense of patriotism.

I'm mixed race person that usually passes for white I've worked in hard, labouring jobs with members of just about every race and they've had my back and I've had theirs, so I won't ever judge anyone based on that, but I also know if I walked through a black or Pakistani area I'd be way more likely to be robbed or beaten up than if I walked through a white area. I don't really know or care why this is how things are, but I know they are that way without having to bring up autistic studies to justify to some sperg online. But that also doesn't affect how I'll treat individuals as long as they're decent.

I don't know if this makes me a leftie but I'm not definitely not on board with the right wing race war shit because that's as stupid as the trans shit woke people try to normalise.

 

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All of them left when the IP leaks happened.
Posts in the lolcow.farms thread on KF almost 3 years ago.
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Well, the righties get banned everywhere else except for here. What would you expect? People's politics are actually genetic, so getting rid of righties means genocide (in minecraft). Lefties just breed too much because they don't mind being a burden on others.

 

[Gog & Magog]

I grew tired of trying to make others act the way I believe they ought to.

 

[TFT-A9]

I grew tired of trying to make others act the way I believe they ought to.

This is at odds with "being left" right now in the same way it was at odds with "being right" 20 years ago.