Why do you lean left? -

[CheezzyMach]

Because I believe in "Live and Let Live" and don't see gays and blacks as harbingers of the end times.

Also support green energy and don't think people should have to live in poverty because of "MUH TAXES".

 

[💗Bitchstopher Columbitch💗]

Because I believe in "Live and Let Live" and don't see gays and blacks as harbingers of the end times.

Is that really a left wing thing anymore? I know tons of right wingers who believe in live and let live.

 

[Dysnomia]

I consider myself a left leaning moderate. I usually stay away from politics though. I'm the kind that pretends to agree with anything in person as long as it's not extremist just so I don't get into an argument with an idiot.

I don't like the extreme left or right. I can't stand the SJWs or the Qtards or any of the insanity on both sides. But I am definitely not a right leaner for the most part. I don't like the idea of trannies in my bathroom or people pouring in from other countries unchecked. But I think that those are pretty understandable concerns.

I was considered anti-gun for a time. That failed Texas church shooting some time ago changed my mind.

Where I live there are a loot of shootings. Most of the victims are not my demographic but that doesn't mean I won't get caught in a crossfire or shot in a robbery. Sirens all night. In fact I can hear them right now. If you hear gunshots you just go back to sleep. It's amazing how desensitized you get while also being scared your number might be up. So I am not a fan of guns. I understand why people want to protect themselves. But I am more afraid of the damage others can do and quite frankly think that America's lambada with guns is a little too much.

Where I am you worry less about mass shootings by lunatics and more about Shaqondre.

It's just that neither side wants to come together and find a solution because they are both scared of losing any ground they have made. I don't believe much can be done about gun violence unless you go back in time and prevent guns from being invented. And then we would all be complaining about rocks and sticks. It's human nature that's the problem and I am not optimistic we will evolve past it into better people in my lifetime or even five lifetimes beyond.

 

[💗Bitchstopher Columbitch💗]

Where I live there are a loot of shootings. Most of the victims are not my demographic but that doesn't mean I won't get caught in a crossfire or shot in a robbery. Sirens all night. In fact I can hear them right now. If you hear gunshots you just go back to sleep. It's amazing how desensitized you get while also being scared your number might be up. So I am not a fan of guns. I understand why people want to protect themselves. But I am more afraid of the damage others can do and quite frankly think that America's lambada with guns is a little too much.

Mexico has very strict gun laws and they still have violent drug cartels running the show. At least with a gun, you can legally defend yourself from Shaqondre if he decides to try something.

Well, the righties get banned everywhere else except for here. What would you expect? People's politics are actually genetic, so getting rid of righties means genocide (in minecraft). Lefties just breed too much because they don't mind being a burden on others.

People tend to vote for whatever they think is best for them. For instance, immigrants and minorities generally vote blue because the Dems pander to them and the media (which generally leans left) amplifies that message.

Yeah, there's likely a genetic component to how people vote, but assuming votes are purely biological is beyond dumb. If genes alone decided everything people do, there would be no need for marketing and propaganda.

Because facts over feelings. Despite cries to the contrary, it's the conservatives who value feels over reals. They think that zygotes scream in agony during abortion, believe that two guys fucking is the sign of end times, and think that the values of our nation should be dictated by a magical sky being.

Lol, you're actually right. Both sides have delusional factions but the religious right probably takes the cake when it comes to denying reality.

 

[The Last Stand]

Mexico has very strict gun laws and they still have violent drug cartels running the show. At least with a gun, you can legally defend yourself from Shaqondre if he decides to try something.

Considering the cartel strongholds the Mexican government through bribery or intimidation, this makes sense.

People tend to vote for whatever they think is best for them. For instance, immigrants and minorities generally vote blue because the Dems pander to them and the media (which generally leans left) amplifies that message.

They're actually losing the immigrant vote because of their open border policy with unregulated immigration.

 

[Slap47]

Because I believe in "Live and Let Live" and don't see gays and blacks as harbingers of the end times.

Also support green energy and don't think people should have to live in poverty because of "MUH TAXES".

Is that really a left wing thing anymore? I know tons of right wingers who believe in live and let live.

This is an example of the right wing shooting themselves in the foot.

Right wing libertarians have always existed, but right wingers who are not libertarians have embraced the label and basically ruined it.

Though I’m definitely not a leftist, with a few exceptions, this is a very spot-on summary of my own issues with the American right-wing. Especially the bit about intentional anti-intellectualism. The science denial and culture of proud ignorance is a worrying trend. We need to stop acting like Republicans, conservatives, etc. aren’t majorly contributing to political tribalism. Also, their view of the world tends to be as bleak, angry, and soul-crushing as what I see from hardcore social justice advocates.

Priming laypeople with conspiracy theories is a great way to create loyalists. This train is not stopping.

This is how Pinochets happen. Conspiracy theories commonly lead to people thinking the ends justifies the means and the embracing of an extreme program.

 

[DDBCAE CBAADCBE]

I think the areas were I align and differ with the left really all boil down to what I would call common sense issues. For instance I am 100% in favor of moving toward greener energy solutions, however I am also aware that many of the existing solutions are simply not cost effective or sustainable. Another good example would be the subject of abortion. While I personally think that it should be a matter of the individual’s choice I find myself also wishing that they would have to suffer the consequences of their foolish actions. Immigration is another fun one. I feel that it’s fine if you want to come and live in our country and be a productive member of society but I ask that you do it legally. This nation was built on the sweat and tears of hard working immigrants and every man woman and child should have the opportunity to come herE LEGALLY and chase the American Dream.

 

[Donker]

Because Capitalism is a completely retarded, incoherent system (Someone explain to me how Tesla is worth more than BYD in the EV space alone, while it's valued more than the entire auto market) that is destroying the planet, has massive class contradictions and Post Embedded Liberalism, in the west has basically become a Zombie system trapping us in a state of hyper-normalisation.

Neoliberal stage of Capitalism is also extremely cancerous to society on every level. It destroys the social bonds of communities and between people, reducing everything to a market transaction (Just look at Tinder ffs), it turns the citizen into a consumer, it shifts religion away from the local community to the Corporation and product, it shifts power away from the state to the corporation, it destroys all sense of collective responsibility, it destroys the Politician and States ability to effectively manage society, the outlet of control democratically chosen by the people.

This shit cannot last. Humans are collective social animals, not "individuals". Neoliberal Capitalism exists because the material nature of capitalism requires it to exist. It is a completely inhuman system and if you think we can just return to Embedded Liberalism, understand that base is a framework of the superstructure, Embedded Liberalism is never, ever returning.

If it was the 1950s, I would be a fucking Capitalist. Now, after 40 years of Neoliberal Zombie capitalism. No. There has to be something better than this shit.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

Where I live there are a loot of shootings. Most of the victims are not my demographic but that doesn't mean I won't get caught in a crossfire or shot in a robbery. Sirens all night. In fact I can hear them right now. If you hear gunshots you just go back to sleep. It's amazing how desensitized you get while also being scared your number might be up. So I am not a fan of guns. I understand why people want to protect themselves. But I am more afraid of the damage others can do and quite frankly think that America's lambada with guns is a little too much.

Where I am you worry less about mass shootings by lunatics and more about Shaqondre.

And what are the gun control laws like in the city you live in? Most places with rampant gun violence aren't exactly big on the 2nd Amendment.

If it was the 1950s, I would be a fucking Capitalist. Now, after 40 years of Neoliberal Zombie capitalism. No. There has to be something better than this shit.

So what is the "better than this shit" system? Because as shitty as the current situation is, every leftist, collectivist proposal I've seen seems guaranteed to make it exponentially worse. Especially when you look at the sort of people who would be running the new collective system.

When the oligarchs are saying "You'll own nothing and you'll be happy", the people waving signs saying "abolish private property" (AKA- we'll own nothing and we'll be happy) are not the ones I'm looking to for relief. It's essentially, "They're slowly working towards making us all slaves, let's skip the middleman and make everyone slaves right now." Or some retarded, non-functional ancom land, where you're constantly stripped of everything you own possess by roaming druggies, as was a daily occurrence in CHAZ.

This is basically the far left's answer to censorship as well. "Mad that big tech is censoring you? LOL, should've stopped supporting capitalism and given us, the most censor-happy political movement around, control of all media platforms, you evil Nazi scum."

 

[💗Bitchstopher Columbitch💗]

Priming laypeople with conspiracy theories is a great way to create loyalists. This train is not stopping.

This is how Pinochets happen. Conspiracy theories commonly lead to people thinking the ends justifies the means and the embracing of an extreme program.

Sadly, the left is not immune to that. They started fearmongering about Nazis, the Klan and the alt-right years ago back when those guys were mostly an irrelevant laughingstock. In 2016, it reached a point where some people believed even Republican normies were a danger.

This is where we're at now:

We have people who think a MAGA hat is a SS uniform and Pepe is a swastika. This trend is going to continue because the Democrats/big tech/the media think comparing their opponents to boogeymen is their winning ticket.

So what is the "better than this shit" system? Because as shitty as the current situation is, every leftist, collectivist proposal I've seen seems guaranteed to make it exponentially worse. Especially when you look at the sort of people who would be running the new collective system.

Exactly. Capitalism is very much flawed, but the systems lefties come up with generally seem significantly more flawed. What's the solution?

 

[Penis Drager]

Why do I lean left? Because this chart says I do:

I'm registered Republican and am kinda a pseudo-race realist
But I also hate big corporations so there's that I guess... I wonder how Sir Oswald Mosley would place on the Political Compass

 

[mr.moon1488]

Sadly, the left is not immune to that. They started fearmongering about Nazis, the Klan and the alt-right years ago back when those guys were mostly an irrelevant laughingstock. In 2016, it reached a point where some people believed even Republican normies were a danger.

This is where we're at now:
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We have people who think a MAGA hat is a SS uniform and Pepe is a swastika. This trend is going to continue because the Democrats/big tech/the media think comparing their opponents to boogeymen is their winning ticket.


Exactly. Capitalism is very much flawed, but the systems lefties come up with generally seem significantly more flawed. What's the solution?

This is the most optimistic political cartoon I've seen in a while.

 

[Pee Cola]

My favourite thing from the whole GME short squeeze thing is that it's become much clearer that there are two lefts: there's the Woke Left who are a bunch of privileged little shitheads to whom "struggle" is just something they read about in a textbook once, and then there's the traditional left who are cheering those wonderful WSB autists on as they smash the system from within.

If you take idpol and neo-prefixes out of the equation, traditional left and traditional right folks can get along just fine somewhere in the middle.

 

[niqlo]

I'm not from the US so I don't really have much of an opinion about democrat/republican party there, but I would think I'm probably considered "left-leaning" because I'm not really religious at all and think that people should have the freedom to do whatever they want so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. I support personal freedom, equal rights, legalization of marijuana, freedom of speech, gun ownership etc ( i guess I would call myself "libertarian" if I had to pick any label). If I lived in the US I wouldn't even vote, democrat or republican the same number of kids are going to get killed in drone strikes in the middle east all the same so what's even the difference?

To me there's not much point of the concept of "left-wing" and "right-wing". like, what's even the difference objectively? many people who identify as "right-wing" have pretty similar beliefs as someone on the left, they just refer to themselves as something different. In somewhere like the US politics is so polarized and you have to be one or the other, but where I live most people are pretty apolitical and laid-back.

what's even the point of politics, really? It just makes people angry and creates conflict and argument where it's not needed. People just need to shut up and relax

 

[Penis Drager]

My favourite thing from the whole GME short squeeze thing is that it's become much clearer that there are two lefts: there's the Woke Left who are a bunch of privileged little shitheads to whom "struggle" is just something they read about in a textbook once, and then there's the traditional left who are cheering those wonderful WSB autists on as they smash the system from within.

If you take idpol and neo-prefixes out of the equation, traditional left and traditional right folks can get along just fine somewhere in the middle.

I have said before that the modern right and the old-school left are actually quite similar apart from the retards they have to pander to to get elected.
The right has to bible thump and the left has to woke-thump. But the old left and the modern right actually do share a lot of common ground. This was spoken about extensively in Mencius Mouldbug's (Curtis Yarvin's) an open letter to an open minded progressive. It's a pretty decent essay if you want some new perspective, but he takes the whole "reactionary" thing way too far and basically advocates for a corporate autocracy. But aside from his shit solution, he does lay down the problem pretty well: that everything is shifting more "progressive" as time goes on. And "conservatives" are essentially doing nothing but slowing down the inevitable demise of [whatever it is that they're fighting to protect].
So perhaps this is the way it's always been: the "modern" right (for whatever time period) always gets along with the "old" left (for that very time period) precisely because the overton window is always migrating left.
Of course, here comes Stonetoss to say what I attempted to say in a thousand words both more eloquently and succinctly:

 

[Governor Jeb Bush]

I am more center-right-ish. But that is by the British standards... when translated to USA terms - i would be seen as left wing...

Europe is generally more 'left' overall, not overbearing left wing shit though.

overall i just want everyone to do what they'd like, and just relax really. Less working hours, more free time, etc.

 

[Doctor Placebo]

My favourite thing from the whole GME short squeeze thing is that it's become much clearer that there are two lefts: there's the Woke Left who are a bunch of privileged little shitheads to whom "struggle" is just something they read about in a textbook once, and then there's the traditional left who are cheering those wonderful WSB autists on as they smash the system from within.

If you take idpol and neo-prefixes out of the equation, traditional left and traditional right folks can get along just fine somewhere in the middle.

That's the trick though isn't it? The current left is defined by idpol and neoprefixes. Sure, there are a lot of lefties who say they're not into those things, but they're the portion of the left that doesn't matter. The idpol crowd runs the government, the schools, the media, everything, and the rest of the left just lets them, because to speak out against it would mean being labelled a racist Nazi.

Meanwhile on the right, it's the reverse. The white identitarians are the people who have no real power whatsoever (as far as anyone on the right has any power anymore). Yet the mainstream press pretends it's the opposite, because the anti-white idpol people need a boogieman to fight.

 

[TFT-A9]

what's even the point of politics, really? It just makes people angry and creates conflict and argument where it's not needed. People just need to shut up and relax

Asked and answered in the same post

I can't think of a single positive thing that has ever come out of a political discussion in the past fucking 20 years or so.

 

[Emperor Julian]

The current system is slowly sliding into oblivion if we're lucky or dystopia if not and pretty much all attempts of the right to justify or defend it are genuinly pathetic.

 

[TFT-A9]

The current system is slowly sliding into oblivion if we're lucky or dystopia if not and pretty much all attempts of the right to justify or defend it are genuinly pathetic.

"muh law and order"

When the "law" orders you to be put against a wall do you still love that shit? This goes for EVERYONE to the right of Mao.