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English? You need to read and be able to understand language because you're going to be using it day in and day out of your waking life. Math? Unless it's arithmetic or related with counting, probability, algebra, and missing scores, I could not for the life of me find any reason to apply math to anything in life other than for basic shit like tallying up money and inventory. Unless I wanted to do something professional that was related with math, like programming and physics formulas, math in reality is a very limited subject to apply on the fly. Mathematics can be fun and rewarding to learn, but it is poorly taught and applied to learning in schools, and unless somehow math is required in everyday person society, not many people are mathminded or are taught to be mathminded. Those shitty questions in your homework will not help or inspire you.

Even then, becoming math mined I've heard is not exactly the sanest thing. I remember from a relative hearing about how a mathematician who was very good at math was a spastic barely contained eccentric who was calculating shit off the top of his head at everything he saw because he did that for the last decades of his life and eventually grew to see the entire world mathematically. The other professional mathematician who is highly regarded in the world at the moment is a speed addict.

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This means while you can just as easily bounce back in English or History class, math class can just plain ditch you if you fall back on a couple of subjects so you have to either work exceptionally hard to win back your place or you will end up having to accept mediocrity in the field.

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Usually because the people who teach math don't fucking know how to do it, and "teach" it in a way that doesn't make any fucking sense. It's probably worse now with common core. Algebra was a grade 9 study for me and I didn't really understand it until after I graduated. Geometry? No problem. Delta math? No problem. Vector Calculus? No problem. All that shit clicked with me, and when it did, algebra eventually did, too. Unfortunately, my grades do not reflect this.

If I didn't learn to code, I would still hate math, because programming is what forced me to learn delta math, vector calc, and geometry. That is another problem with teaching math in a classroom. You throw numbers and letters and symbols at children all day, and other than handling money, not fucking ONCE do you ever show a real-world example of what's being taught.

My solution? Ditch common core and put at least 50 3D Printers in every geometry classroom, with a toolkit, machinist's protractor, digital calipers, and set squares for each. Have the kids build them from a kit in groups of two or three, over the course of two weeks to a month, and grade them on how mechanically accurate the printer is, and the quality of the resulting prints. The kids get a hands-on example of what math can accomplish, and they get a printed object as a sort of token that they got somewhere with that knowledge. Once the course is over, disassemble the printers and do it for the next group of kids.

This alone teaches you geometry, and inside that, teaches you cartesian/delta kinematic plotting, light mechanics, working in a group, a little bit of data entry, and a lot of basic secondary math.

If I didn't learn to code, I would still hate math, because programming is what forced me to learn delta math, vector calc, and geometry. That is another problem with teaching math in a classroom. You throw numbers and letters and symbols at children all day, and other than handling money, not fucking ONCE do you ever show a real-world example of what's being taught.

My solution? Ditch common core and put at least 50 3D Printers in every geometry classroom, with a toolkit, machinist's protractor, digital calipers, and set squares for each. Have the kids build them from a kit in groups of two or three, over the course of two weeks to a month, and grade them on how mechanically accurate the printer is, and the quality of the resulting prints. The kids get a hands-on example of what math can accomplish, and they get a printed object as a sort of token that they got somewhere with that knowledge. Once the course is over, disassemble the printers and do it for the next group of kids.

This alone teaches you geometry, and inside that, teaches you cartesian/delta kinematic plotting, light mechanics, working in a group, a little bit of data entry, and a lot of basic secondary math.

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There are basically no traditional hobbies that involve math. Unless you find writing income statements and recording accounting journals fun I guess.

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Yeah, makes sense. Just can't relate because I've always been good enough at math that I just had to read a textbook at most. Never actually paid attention in any math class because I either didn't have to or could learn the entire week or two from the textbook (latter mostly in college).

This means while you can just as easily bounce back in English or History class, math class can just plain ditch you if you fall back on a couple of subjects so you have to either work exceptionally hard to win back your place or you will end up having to accept mediocrity in the field.

EDIT: Yes, I've previously bragged about coming up with the Fibonacci sequence by myself as a kid.

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It's like asking why people tend to be more invested in the alphabet than hieroglyphics. If it's a thousand times more useful to almost everyone, it tends to get more attention.

I had so many classmates sleep through the classes only to score top in anything non-STEM. In one way it's proof of how you need to be able to formulate yourself and your thoughts, the other it just proves that you're bad at working towards a goal as per math, and hope to coast through life on your genetic, charismatic make-up.Because math always has a correct answer, but English has a lot more leeway.

I mean you can't write an essay on how oppressed you are as a trans woman in math.

I've just never had a good hold on numbers, I didn't develop an interest because its a flat subject with very strict rules, and because I never had an initial interest I didn't bother learning much about math past high school required classes (which I cheated on successfully)

I hate math because I am a brainlet. I also hate English because, again, I am a brainlet.

Eh, I'd say it depends on the trade. My dad is in the tool and die industry and he regularly uses algebra and trig in his work.The middle class is dying because people are skipping out on the trades. You do not need a mastery of algebra to be a tradesmen.

I also had amazing teachers for history, so I often found myself paying even more attention in Global, US History, Government, and Economics. My English teachers were also really creative with some of their units and so we never really found ourselves digging /that/ deep into state-mandated curriculum outside of what was required for the state exams.

This entirely ceases to be the case past high school math. Sure, you might have to practice proofs, but only in the same way that you practice essay writing. Mechanical math an engineer makes. I've heard it said that the judge of a potential mathematician is how much they like geometry, not the ability to repeatedly and accurately solve a bunch of the same kinds of problems.That's why I prefer math. English requires creativity, and judgement. Math is just grinding.

Now for how it's taught. Math comes easily to me, but there are times when I will be genuinely confused and struggle. In 99% of these instances, it's because the math is being taught with a lack of motivation. Teachers and professors who assume you understand "where they're going," and churn out line after line until reaching the end will create hatred for math. The brighter kids will see this motivation without being told, and will come to love math. After a string of shitty professors or teachers, students often lose confidence in their mathematic abilities altogether, and their failure becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. But I firmly believe that anyone can be proficient with math to the point of not hating it, if a thoughtful tutor guides them through enough of the motivation. Not just motivation between steps of a problem, but motivation behind models. Why DO we use polar coordinates? Why DOES the unit circle have points where it does? Instead of memorizing the pythagorean theorem, learn that it's just a special case of the law of cosines. Instead of memorizing the quadractic equation, derive it. Motivationless memorization is responsible for almost all math hatred.

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