Why does fascism/white nationalism always include anti-Semitism? -

[Joan Nyan]

Really, I don't see why there's such a strong connection between believing things like black people being inferior and believing in Zionist conspiracies. They talk about wanting to protect Western culture but the 2 most important figures in the history of Western society are probably (((Jesus))) the rabbi and Socrates the flaming faggot, the two types of people they hate the most. Is there any good reason for this besides autism?

 

[WeaponsGradeAutism]

The Jewish people were always seen as the scapegoat throughout history. For example, during the Black Plague, the traditional unleavened bread during Passover involved cleaning out the stores from the previous year. This didn't give the German rats any sort of food.

The Jewish acknowledgment of cleanliness saved them, but it got them the tag as the cause by a very unclean and uneducated Dark Age gentile populace.

 

[CrunkLord420]

I think it's because they're stupid.

They can't get over the idea that Jews consistently come out on top in basically every intelligence test, be it IQ tests or real world accomplishments in the sciences. Jews also don't accept conversions and culturally avoid interracial marriages. [MASTER RACE ENVY INTENSIFIES]

 

[Joan Nyan]

They can't get over the idea that Jews consistently come out on top in basically every intelligence test, be it IQ tests or real world accomplishments in the sciences.

White supremacists believe that they are superior to blacks and other races and therefore they should remove/exterminate them. Considering Jews are superior to White people, I guess it only makes sense for them to assume Jews want to destroy Whites, after all it's what they'd do in the same situation.

 

[Foltest]

Nazis has always hated the jews, as they saw them as outsiders. However, fascism was not antisemtic in the beginning. In fact, in Italy there were a number of jews in the party and Mussolini didn't care so much about Judaism. It was only with the rise of Hitler that fascism become more antisemetic. With the introduktion of the Italian Racial laws in 1938, that Italian jews lost their right as citizen. Some prominent members of the Italian facsist party such as Italo Balbo, was against this, as he saw no reason to discriminate against Italian Jews (he was also against the allaiance with Hitler). Even Mussolini later in his life, said that was stupid to have those racial laws.

 

[Crisseh]

As was talked about somewhat above, Jews make scapegoats. They are usually a minority in a group but unusually have more power due to a culture of industriousness and finance.

As white nationalism thrives on being a identitarian struggle. Enemies need to be through out and in their midst always trying to undermine their cause. The far left does it and so does the far right. They are both the different sides of them same coin. If you ask a leftist activist who is pushing the racism in America, its always the boogieman specter of white institutionalized racism, and white male privilege. They can never point out individuals. Because they need the specter to advance their agenda. Nazi's use the specter of white genocide, jews, or the words of SJWs in the same sense.

It's a lot easier to blame someone than to actually take responsibility for shitty actions. And the current culture of SJWism has empowered them and made them grow. They use the words of the identitarian left to amplify their recruitment. When you hear a SJW talk about how whites need to just die out, it pushes more people into the arms of White Nationalists.

If you listen to them a lot of times, it's not even the Jews they even bring up anymore, as much as latching onto American sentiment about political correctness, multiculturalism, and intersectionality power dynamics.

tl;dr: Easier to blame others than yourself.

 

[ICametoLurk]

However, fascism was not antisemtic in the beginning. In fact, in Italy there were a number of jews in the party and Mussolini didn't care so much about Judaism. It was only with the rise of Hitler that fascism become more antisemetic. With the introduktion of the Italian Racial laws in 1938, that Italian jews lost their right as citizen. Some prominent members of the Italian facsist party such as Italo Balbo, was against this, as he saw no reason to discriminate against Italian Jews (he was also against the allaiance with Hitler). Even Mussolini later in his life, said that was stupid to have those racial laws.

The British Union of Fascists was similar.

What killed it was Nazi Sympathizers got onto the BUF because they were growing. Some of these men got powerful positions within the party, and tried to change it into a Jew-hating party (like the Imperial Fascist League) at which point it fell to below 8,000 members as people didn't like it and Mosley condemned those who did it as Traitors but it was too late.

Admittedly before their death they didn't want Jews to be in Europe. They wanted to send all the Jews in Europe to the British Mandate of Palestine and they would've had to deal with the Arabs themselves.

 

[Beaniebon]

Spoiler

:autism:

 

[DrGayHitler]

Anti-Semitism has a long and ugly legacy which is deeply ingrained in European, and thus Euro-American, culture. In an era which saw centuries of Catholic/Christian cultural hegemony, it was a group which one could pockets of in almost any part of europe which would have linguistic and cultural qualities that where distinct from the surrounding population. Also due to Catholic-cultural taboos on usury/finance, Jewish people often became overrepresented in early finance and trade. These and other factors made them easy marks for out-grouping and superstitious hatred as well as opportunistic scapegoating on behalf of ruling elites.

Now take centuries of this xenophobic cultural tradition and add the industrial revolution and the emergence of capitalism, then eventually mass-culture and global imperialism in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Deeply unequal imperial states and the new bourgeoisie (capitalist) ruling classes take up the tradition of anti-semitic scapegoating as a tool, despite the existence of individual jews within the bourgeoisie (thanks in part to the historical association with finance). So now this anti-semitic cultural meme is continued and amplified by print news, expanding literacy, telegraph, radio, and eventually film. Likewise you also have the Jewish diaspora, found all over Europe and Euro-America, forging international cultural links through new transportation and communications technology -- just as many groups did who where bound by culture, religion, interest or ideology.

In a time of emerging international powers, with international ruling classes and massive amounts of money, so to must anti-semitic narratives become internationalized. A reductive caricature of the Jew, operating a vast international conspiracy, supplants the more complex and abstract machinations of international capitalism as the figure-head in charge of the system which immiserated the European proletariat and peasantry.

**I want to make a not here that individual powerful industrialists and political leaders could easily believe in the anti-semitic propaganda they spread, even as it served the systemic purpose of misdirecting popular anger away from the capitalist system and its rulers**

It is in this period, specifically Russia in 1903, that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is published. A hack job bit of anti-semitic propaganda posing as the minutes of a meeting between high ranking Jewish figures, articulating a global conspiracy. Much of it's contents are actually ripped from a French political satire from decades earlier called: "Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu". The book spread from Russia along with defeated 'White Russian (anti-communists)' who left or where exiled from Russia after the revolution and subsequent civil war. Naturally, being right next door, a lot of them ended up in Germany. Here they published and spread the book, and attempted to link the Bolsheviks to the international Jewish conspiracy, creating 'Jewish Bolshevism'.

Thus anti-communism and anti-semitic conspiracies become tied together. Not just the Nazis, but reactionary capitalists everywhere embraced this narrative as a propaganda tool or personal belief, not just Nazi Germany. For example: Henry Ford, a dogshit fascist person, had hundreds of thousands of copies published and distributed. And so anti-semitic conspiracies became part of the memetic makeup of fascist/reactionary/hard-right/anti-socialist ideology. You see it now with alt-righters, with the old John Birch society, with European Neo-Nazis, and (quietly) even many elements of more mainstream conservative culture and politics. You can still see it dog whistled in oblique references to 'international financiers/bankers' which appear in various right-wing media.

tl;dr Anti-semitism is a very old European cultural meme and a useful scapegoating tool for power. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion hoax is published in Russia in 1903, then incorporated into anti-communist propaganda after the Russian Revolution. This causes it to spread all over Europe/America and become deeply ingrained in right-wing ideology.

Hopefully this helped. I'm just posting off the top of my head so I encourage the curious to research the matter more thoroughly. As with any major cultural phenomenon the factors involved are enormously complex.

 

[Y2K Baby]

I think it's because they're stupid.

They can't get over the idea that Jews consistently come out on top in basically every intelligence test, be it IQ tests or real world accomplishments in the sciences. Jews also don't accept conversions and culturally avoid interracial marriages. [MASTER RACE ENVY INTENSIFIES]

White supremacists believe that they are superior to blacks and other races and therefore they should remove/exterminate them. Considering Jews are superior to White people, I guess it only makes sense for them to assume Jews want to destroy Whites, after all it's what they'd do in the same situation.

But they're more inclined to be accepting of Asians (at least not utterly loathing them like the Jews) who are smartypants.

Jews are just easy to hate because they all wear funny hats and take too many holidays.

 

[Jeff Heaney]

Autism

 

[escapegoat]

Everyone already hit on the white part, but there's also the nationalism part: these people think that Jews, no matter where they are, are more loyal to their ethnic tribe than their nation. The same sort of thing is held against Catholics, because they're supposedly more loyal to Rome than country.

 

[Salt Water Taffy]

Another thing is that our modern definition of "white" in America is the broadest its ever been - as little as 100 years ago "white" was really only people of Anglo-Saxon (hence the modern "WASP"), French, German, and Scandinavian & Northern European ancestry. Along with the Jews, people of Irish, Polish, Slavic/Eastern European, Spanish, Italian, and Greek were also thought of as "others" (You'll notice all of these countries are predominantly either Catholic or Eastern Orthodox, that's not a coincidence; there's always been an oft-overlooked religious prejudice in most white supremacy groups because they're not using the same definition of white that we do.)

 

[CrunkLord420]

But they're more inclined to be accepting of Asians (at least not utterly loathing them like the Jews) who are smartypants.

Jews are just easy to hate because they all wear funny hats and take too many holidays.

I wasn't being serious, just trolling anti-semites who might be reading. Those metrics didn't historically exist, outside of literacy rates which have always been high.

 

[Y2K Baby]

I wasn't being serious

M-Me too...

 

[Emperor Julian]

interestingly anti-semitism seems to be toned down in british white nationalists as off late and favour of anti-islamic sentiment. I suspect that the fairly congenial and integrated jewish communities of the UK and britains zeigeist about ww2 means it's a lot easier to other the still fairly distinct muslims and their othernesss (this is before we throw terrorism into the mix).

 

[AnOminous]

Really, I don't see why there's such a strong connection between believing things like black people being inferior and believing in Zionist conspiracies. They talk about wanting to protect Western culture but the 2 most important figures in the history of Western society are probably (((Jesus))) the rabbi and Socrates the flaming faggot, the two types of people they hate the most. Is there any good reason for this besides autism?

Because white nationalists are always sad failures and cunts who are upset by the actual Jewish master race that really does control everything.

 

[Emperor Julian]

Because white nationalists are always sad failures and cunts who are upset by the actual Jewish master race that really does control everything.

That always bugged me about them: their survival of the fittest strong will rule, jews are inferior bullshit really doesnt mesh well with the sort of power and influence they accuse jews of having.

 

[AnOminous]

That always bugged me about them: their survival of the fittest strong will rule, jews are inferior perspective really doesnt mesh well with the sort of power and influence they accuse jews of having.

It's an invariable facet of every single supremacist or extremist group. They always have an enemy that is simultaneously the most inferior, pathetic group in the world but somehow controls everything.

If you had a Build-a-Bear to make extremist ideologies, having some group with ridiculously contradictory characteristics like this would be an absolute necessity.

Ideologies like this are Chinese finger-traps for the mind, in that it takes a very specific kind of stupidity to believe them.

 

[Emperor Julian]

It's an invariable facet of every single supremacist or extremist group. They always have an enemy that is simultaneously the most inferior, pathetic group in the world but somehow controls everything.

If you had a Build-a-Bear to make extremist ideologies, having some group with ridiculously contradictory characteristics like this would be an absolute necessity.

Ideologies like this are Chinese finger-traps for the mind, in that it takes a very specific kind of stupidity to believe them.

That also explains the suprisingly large number of neo-nazi Slavs considering Hitler considered them sub-human, I suppose radical Islamic organizations have the same bullshit going on-the west is both decadent and weak but also the reason why everything sucks. I often find myself thinking if you really did believe all this shite then the logical thing to do would be to bolester your own people's strength within legal and productive boundries as opposed to engaging on random but ultimatly pointless attacks on 'the enemy'.