Why I think Neoliberals and Democrats hatemonger and fearmonger Russia - The last third of Adam Curtis' The Trap, I want to ask Kiwi Farms about Russia in the 90s

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Are we in the 2020s going to undergo what the Russians underwent in the 1990s?

  • Shock Therapy is coming after COVID, the result will be an American Putin like before.

  • Only collapse is coming, the result will be mostly local economies & currencies in the West.

  • There are no possibilities of political disaster lurking in the west today.

  • The 2020s will see a falling away of elite institutions and higher social mobility.

  • There will be no stopping the rise of a new international western elite, social mobility will die.

  • Anarcho-Capitalism is the West's only hope; the market not politics will give us what we want.

  • Anarcho-Communism is the West's only hope; politics not the markets will give us what we want.

  • Better to be ruled by an American Antipope at this point, let God do with us what he wills.

  • China will grow larger, Our people will be safer, and China will be generous.

  • Let the cockroaches inherit the earth, we should all get what we fucking deserve. America diruta est

  • Neither Hyperinflation nor Police Strikes will shake the fattened American awake, flee the total end

  • Balkanization now to avoid the horror, or civil war will result. Mississippi Basin Monarchism rises!

  • America First and Cat-boy Catholics will end what surely must be Israel's Plot


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Haim Arlosoroff

Archpolitician June Lapercal
kiwifarms.net
When America won the Cold War and the USSR collapsed into the Russian Federation there was a little known bill known as the FREEDOM Support Act of 1992 (Freedom for Russia and Emerging Eurasian Democracies and Open Markets Support Act, FSA, HR 282) passed by the United States Congress. In addition to financing commitments which aimed to support the transition to liberal democracy, there were sent economic theorists to radically reconstruct the Russian economy. They wanted what was called Shock Therapy. In economics, shock therapy is the sudden release of price and currency controls (economic liberalization), withdrawal of state subsidies, and immediate trade liberalization within a country, usually also including large-scale privatization of previously public-owned assets.

Jeffrey Sachs was one of these men. He said "We have the best hope right now, the best reformers, the most westward looking leaders in this country. But there are people around who want to close up. That are the xenophobes, that are the extreme nationalists, that believe that the west has stabbed this country in the back. There are real possibilities of political disaster lurking here. Its not a matter of days, but it is a matter of weeks and months. The people must have hope." I look at those words, and I see the West today and its economic entwining with China. Biden seems like he might best be thought of as America's Boris Yeltsin.

Boris Yeltsin gave himself completely over to the American economists, and so doomed Russia's attempt at liberalizing. Market Democracy, or the idea that market forces more closely resemble voter choice and more efficiently fulfill it, overcame and replaced all attempts at political constituting or socializing the population into a foundation securing liberal democracy in Russia. Shock Therapy was rapidly instituted, and nothing was allowed to slow it down. Not even a collapse of Russian markets and the pricing of basic goods skyrocketing, of which faster and deeper Shock Therapy was thought to solve rather than worsen.

Things didn't work out like the theorists imagined. Prices soared and no one could afford the most basic goods. Russians sold all of their belongings, and jobs paid-in-kind. Chair-makers, for example, would pay their workers in chairs rather than cash because chairs held value more consistently into the future. Then came the privatization came, and every Russian was given stock vouchers to purchase shares in previously state corporations. You can tell what happened next, they sold them for food, fuel, and clothing for a fraction of their worth. There emerged a new elite who had the capital to purchase the stocks third or fourth hand, they became who we call today The Oligarchs.

Next in 1993 almost exactly a single year after the FREEDOM Support Act passed, when all was thought lost to the lunacy of Western Theorists and their horrid Market Democracy, Russia's vice president, Aleksandr Rutskoy, denounced the Yeltsin program as "economic genocide" in parliament. Tanks of the Taman Division shelled the Russian White House (which confusingly serve as the seat of the Russian parliament) in response and Yeltsin suspended parliament and announced he would rule by decree. Russia would now be liberalized by force, just as other Americans in the CIA had convinced governments to do throughout the world. Instead the Oligarchs became the real power and Yeltsin their puppet.

Finally in 1998, the market collapsed after years of oligarch loans propping up a massively deindustrialized economy. Banks couldn't payout during the Bank-runs thereafter. A harsh tough nationalism was imposed, and the economic reforms were over. Vladimir Putin became the new Russian President. The oligarchs were arrested or exiled. The people had grown tired of liberty, and in its place like every other occasion in the history books came Order.
 

Haim Arlosoroff

Archpolitician June Lapercal
kiwifarms.net
I disagree. I think it worked out exactly as the think tanks intended. None of that was ever supposed to help the russian people.


Case in point.
So you think it was planned until December 31st 1999, when Yeltsin unexpectedly resigned and, according to the Constitution of Russia, Putin became Acting President of the Russian Federation? When do you think the plan went awry or is Putin one of the elite?

Why would anyone fear Russia? the country is the size of a continent and barely has more GDP than fucking Spain, GDP per capita is like half of Spain actually. Russia stronk is a cold war meme
I think they fearmonger out of shock of how badly Neoliberalism went there after Communism collapsed. They thought that the market would correct the politics, but the market without a culture to support it turned to nationalism. The example, like the May 1958 crisis in France, cannot be allowed to become well known and commonly thought about in Right and Left social circles. Russian GDP is I think eerily consistent to Italy's throughout the years.
 

MelloYello

kiwifarms.net
So you think it was planned until December 31st 1999, when Yeltsin unexpectedly resigned and, according to the Constitution of Russia, Putin became Acting President of the Russian Federation? When do you think the plan went awry or is Putin one of the elite?
One theory is that Yeltsin very much intended to keep wielding influence as the man behind the curtain, and didn't expect Putin to radically alter the course.
 

DragoonSierra

kiwifarms.net
Why would anyone fear Russia? the country is the size of a continent and barely has more GDP than fucking Spain, GDP per capita is like half of Spain actually. Russia stronk is a cold war meme
Because could starve their populace to fuel a war machine if they so chose and Russians citizens will just roll over and take it like they always have.
 

Beautiful Border

kiwifarms.net
Why would anyone fear Russia? the country is the size of a continent and barely has more GDP than fucking Spain, GDP per capita is like half of Spain actually. Russia stronk is a cold war meme
This. The fact that people (especially Democrats) are still hysterically scaremongering over Russia like it's still 1962 is baffling, even more so that people somehow keep falling for it. The USSR was a superpower but post-1991 Russia just isn't, it's an utterly mediocre country by every meaningful metric. The only reason people think otherwise is because of a mixture of historical reputation, it still having nukes, and the fact it looks impressive on a map.
 

BScCollateral

kiwifarms.net
The only reason people think otherwise is because of a mixture of historical reputation, it still having nukes...

Oh, right, that. Why would anyone fear (or be deeply concerned over, to be more correct) an economically unstable country able to blow up half the planet?

I mean, it's not like there's a precedent of countries starting wars to distract their populations. Next you'll be telling me Argentina tried to retake the Falklands.
 

Beautiful Border

kiwifarms.net
Oh, right, that. Why would anyone fear (or be deeply concerned over, to be more correct) an economically unstable country able to blow up half the planet?

I mean, it's not like there's a precedent of countries starting wars to distract their populations. Next you'll be telling me Argentina tried to retake the Falklands.
Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of reason to be concerned about Russia if you live in Ukraine or the Caucasus, but there's really no need for the bogeyman status they have in the west.
 

Erika Furudo

Me an intellectual 🎶
kiwifarms.net
Why would anyone fear Russia? the country is the size of a continent and barely has more GDP than fucking Spain, GDP per capita is like half of Spain actually. Russia stronk is a cold war meme
Mainly due to sanctions. They ahve lots of natural resources and in the past had some great scientists. Hopefully Russia gets its shit together, they could be much more prosperous but that can't really happen until they avoid brain drain and tackle corruption.
 

Haim Arlosoroff

Archpolitician June Lapercal
kiwifarms.net
"Then came the privatization came,"

Don't say things like this in an OP.
Fuck. Its too late to edit too, when I proofread I miss words when they are in a different order than I remember and expected it to read "Then came the privatization" when it said "Then the privatization came" so I 'fixed' it to its all fucked up state. Better I had just left it alone. Goddamn it fuck.
 

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