why shouldn't I be a leftist? -

[Farmer Dave]

I'm someone who describes themselves as a leftist, mostly because I support unions, single-payer healthcare, worker empowerment, removing corporate subsidies, etc. and to my knowledge this forum is right-wing one, so I wanted to see if any one where could make a convincing argument as to why someone shouldn't support the left. so, why shouldn't be a leftist?

 

[Oskar Dirlewanger]

You can't say the word nigger if you're a leftist

 

[Dildo]

Because unless you live in the US what you describe isn't really a left wing stance, but more a centrist one.

Even the right wing parties in Europe generally favour things like universal healthcare and some degree of union rights. It's just that the US is so far out of wack they consider things like Bernie (someone who is further right than most European right wing politicians) to be some crackpot commie when he really isn't.

As for why as a socially conservative but economically left wing person such as myself doesn't vote for a left wing party; it's because I'm neither pro-Islam, a third/fourth wave feminist or woke; and the left-wing parties today have no grasp on economics or reality these days with how they intend to keep rich people staying in their home countries to pay mega taxes or cover all the free gibs that go beyond universal healthcare.

 

[The Pink Panther]

>right-wing Kiwifarms

Mythology is a great study.

 

[Marco Fucko]

It's absolutely fine to support policies that would help out common people. The "branding" of leftism is kind of weird in my opinion, although the far right is just as weird to be fair. I've been watching Vaush videos in the background and I burst out laughing when he said "I'm a cuck" very casually. I feel like people get caught up in these brandings and start blindly following things that are tangentially related to them.

 

[ProgKing of the North]

To my mind, neither the left or the right actually gives a shit about individual liberty when it's for stuff they don't like, so you gotta just pick the side that's gonna fuck you and the people you care about over less, and if that happens to change, just switch sides. It's not like either group of cunts deserves your loyalty.

 

[The Pink Panther]

To my mind, neither the left or the right actually gives a shit about individual liberty when it's for stuff they don't like, so you gotta just pick the side that's gonna fuck you and the people you care about over less, and if that happens to change, just switch sides. It's not like either group of cunts deserves your loyalty.

Why would anyone support a side that will fuck them over less? If I want individual liberty, I just sit back and watch the madness.

 

[ProgKing of the North]

Why would anyone support a side that will fuck them over less? If I want individual liberty, I just sit back and watch the madness.

Fair point

Replace "support" with "be marginally less upset when they win"

 

[Pop-Tart]

Something something libtards r bad something something. Commies r libturds etc.

Don't rely on shitty memes or youtubers like retards. Just read actual philosophy and come to your own conclusions.

 

[Yaniv’s Hairy Balls]

Why on earth would literally anyone care what politics you hold? You can be a commie and still point and laugh at spergs.

 

[Consenticles]

Not here to change your views, but I would like to educate this forum on unions (if you dont already know)....

Unions were a good thing, once when working conditions in auto factories were deplorable. Now there are legal protections in working environments. Unionization is used as a tool to group workers up, providing them with access to benefits they already have, or could have without the formation of the union.

Unions are a way to cripple everyone. They take a % of every paycheck and dont give a shit about you. UAW in Michigan (or perhaps it was Ohio) refused to allow car companies to send direct deposits instead of the actual physical paycheck. Switching to this would save around a dollar per paycheck. But no, the Union gashed upper management for this.

If you do not believe the unions to be as corrupt, or even more corrupt than they were back in the Hoffa days, then you should look into it.

My own experience is within the auto industry, so I dont want to give examples outside of this... but the idea of a union existing in a first world country is awful.

Imagine you are excited for your Christmas bonus. You're going to buy little Johnny a PC, because hes been a console peasant and it's time to show him the ways of the master race. Your wife can finally get that Hitachi "massager" she has been bitching about all year, because your dick isn't enough to please her.

Now imagine Billy, the union rep in your auto plant, does not like the wages the company is paying. What is fine for you is not fine for Billy, and he's found a hundred other employees who want to also make more cash!

Billy and friends force your entire factory to go on strike. That means you, even if you have all your ducks in a row. You are now part of this strike, you will not be receiving pay during this time.

That bonus? Company cannot afford it after the strike lasted 3 weeks, losing hundreds of millions of dollars. I am not exaggerating this number. If anything, it is small. And what's more - your plant has to lay off a handful of workers in order to meet company demands and fit within the budget.

You didn't want to strike, but it's you who is being laid off. It is your children who are stuck playing games on a fucking outdated xbox. It is your wife who is both physically and mentally unsatisfied with you.

But Billy's brother who is the Union President doesn't care. That cut you've been taking out of your paycheck each month? He's pocketing that no matter what. And it's nothing compared to what you made.

 

[Dildo]

Why would anyone support a side that will fuck them over less? If I want individual liberty, I just sit back and watch the madness.

It's better than the other one getting in.

The next general election I get to vote in the "choice" is between a super woke left wing candidate who is convinced that looking at a woman is sexual assault and should be a prosecutable offence and a right wing candidate who wants to cut taxes for big business but isn't going to require me to take "how not to rape" classes at work.

I think they're both assholes but I know which one I'm voting for.

 

[Diabeetus]

and to my knowledge this forum is right-wing one

It is not. There are plenty of leftists on here that post on the site like everyone else. As long as you don't start saying that people have 'gold fish brains' for not wanting to watch a 2-hour video debunking a graph, you should be fine.

 

[Farmer Dave]

Not here to change your views, but I would like to educate this forum on unions (if you dont already know)....

Unions were a good thing, once when working conditions in auto factories were deplorable. Now there are legal protections in working environments. Unionization is used as a tool to group workers up, providing them with access to benefits they already have, or could have without the formation of the union.

Unions are a way to cripple everyone. They take a % of every paycheck and dont give a shit about you. UAW in Michigan (or perhaps it was Ohio) refused to allow car companies to send direct deposits instead of the actual physical paycheck. Switching to this would save around a dollar per paycheck. But no, the Union gashed upper management for this.

If you do not believe the unions to be as corrupt, or even more corrupt than they were back in the Hoffa days, then you should look into it.

My own experience is within the auto industry, so I dont want to give examples outside of this... but the idea of a union existing in a first world country is awful.

Imagine you are excited for your Christmas bonus. You're going to buy little Johnny a PC, because hes been a console peasant and it's time to show him the ways of the master race. Your wife can finally get that Hitachi "massager" she has been bitching about all year, because your dick isn't enough to please her.

Now imagine Billy, the union rep in your auto plant, does not like the wages the company is paying. What is fine for you is not fine for Billy, and he's found a hundred other employees who want to also make more cash!

Billy and friends force your entire factory to go on strike. That means you, even if you have all your ducks in a row. You are now part of this strike, you will not be receiving pay during this time.

That bonus? Company cannot afford it after the strike lasted 3 weeks, losing hundreds of millions of dollars. I am not exaggerating this number. If anything, it is small. And what's more - your plant has to lay off a handful of workers in order to meet company demands and fit within the budget.

You didn't want to strike, but it's you who is being laid off. It is your children who are stuck playing games on a fucking outdated xbox. It is your wife who is both physically and mentally unsatisfied with you.

But Billy's brother who is the Union President doesn't care. That cut you've been taking out of your paycheck each month? He's pocketing that no matter what. And it's nothing compared to what you made.

unions only fuction when everyone is willing to support them, scabs do nothing but benefit from unions while doing nothing to help them. generally speaking countries with stronger unions (germany, france, etc.) have shorter working hours and better benefits because their unions are able to negotiate from a stronger position. if your entire argument against unions is "well i can't afford an x box now" that's...stupid.

 

[crocodilian]

Even the right wing parties in Europe generally favour things like universal healthcare and some degree of union rights. It's just that the US is so far out of wack they consider things like Bernie (someone who is further right than most European right wing politicians) to be some crackpot commie when he really isn't.

Bernie's just a crackpot in general. He's also a paid establishment crony and cites meaningless platitudes to appeal to a miseducated base.

 

[Otterly]

Your politics are your own, and no one should be telling you what to think,

I previously considered myself left of centre, in the sense of protections for workers, fairness for the working man, the NHS etc. Now there’s no real sensible left wing or centrist option to vote for in my country (the UK.) the left have abandoned the country’s workers and are just pushing massive social change.
One thing I do think the left suffers from more than the right just now is an authoritarian desire to control what other people believe and think, and an odd stance that anything they do is ‘correct’ simply because they are left. The right tend more to individual autonomy.
I’ve never been someone who wants to be labelled as belong to a certain group or club or tribe. No group has ever been in the right all the time and I don’t like being told what to think. Right now i wouldn’t describe myself as a leftist or right wing and I will vote for whomever I think is least bad at that current time and whose policies will have the least bad short and long term impacts. Right now in the UK that’s the Tories, but I’m not going to describe myself as a Tory.
what I do believe very sincerely is that nobody who wants power should be allowed anywhere near it.

 

[Lemmingwise]

generally speaking countries with stronger unions (germany, france, etc.) have shorter working hours and better benefits because their unions are able to negotiate from a stronger position

Doubtful. They also had shorter working days compared to other countries before they got unions.

I support unions, single-payer healthcare, worker empowerment, removing corporate subsidies, etc. and to my knowledge this forum is right-wing one, so I wanted to see if any one where could make a convincing argument as to why someone shouldn't support the left. so, why shouldn't be a leftist?

Why would a government in an oligarchy remove corporate subsidies or empower workers? Doesn't really matter if you vote/support left or right, neither is going to do that. Same thing with mass migration. Doesn't matter whether you vote right, you're still going to get it, because it's in the interest of oligarchs and they run the country.

 

[Dildo]

unions only fuction when everyone is willing to support them, scabs do nothing but benefit from unions while doing nothing to help them. generally speaking countries with stronger unions (germany, france, etc.) have shorter working hours and better benefits because their unions are able to negotiate from a stronger position. if your entire argument against unions is "well i can't afford an x box now" that's...stupid.

It literally depends on what the unions interests are.

Contrast a German union based around securing and defending certain standards of working conditions and hours vs the British unions who back Corbyn and ever increasingly identity/ethnic positive discrimination allowances and have demonstrated exactly zero interest in the past twenty years in stopping things like zero hour contracts in which people are often losing money going to work some days.

Some unions are good at defending worker rights, others are little more than a lobbying group.

 

[ThePurpleProse]

@Farmer Dave motherfucker, you're a true leftard, the first thing you did is classify an entire forum with a label due some prejudice conviction that I bet not even you know where the fuck you picked it up, if that doesn't tell you that the path you're choosing is the wrong one then this post is pointless because you didn't created this to be convinced, you already made up your mind.

 

[Y2K Baby]

Having political convictions is for genuine morons.