Careercow Wil Wheaton + Felicia Day - The "Man" who soy'd the World and the Fakest of Geek Girls, SJW sexual harassment fence-sitters

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Ghostse

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Okay, so at the cost of revealing my power level, I am a former actor IRL. Not AmDram bollocks either. Classically trained with a specialisation in Shakespeare and other contemporary theatre. With a little improv and musical theatre thrown in. I know drama kids. Part of the reason I left acting was despite the fact I love acting, I love entertaining on stage and having an audience's attention, I could not fucking stand drama kids. They are insufferable. They go on about their favourite musical. Which always happens to be the popular box office hit for the season. But also Rent. They must emulate the characters from Rent. Hence why many actors you will find are despicable degenerates. They're emulating Rent. I wanted to act, to immerse myself in a character and entertain people. Be true to the role and do as good a job as my talent allows. Drama kids want everything to revolve around them. Shakespeare is boring and not to be taken seriously, they want to imitate that one scene from that mainstream slop they like. They want to go straight to TV and ignore theatre completely unless they get that role they like in that musical they like this season. And above all, never tell them to improvise from scratch. They can't do it. They all freeze up. They cannot do anything creative. Everything is derivative of something else. And improv is "not what I signed up for". This isn't from Secondary school drama class by the way. This is the mentality of students from top professional drama schools and actors in the industry right now.

What's the relevance here? A lot of the Critical Role zoomers are drama kids. In fact I'd say all of them are. Even if they only do it as a hobby. They saw Critical Role and thought it was a great stage for their self indulgent bullshit. They don't understand that it's a game. Because it is presented to them as theatre. And they are surprised when autists like me expect them to play a game. Because everyone else runs it like dumb community theatre because there are no neck-beards left in the hobby. I am the anomaly to them. Because I expect them to respect the rules. I expect them to improvise a new character from scratch and not a clone of someone from Critical Role. I have expectations and that is all wrong in their eyes. Because I get in the way of their community theatre bullshit. I want to be a nice GM. I don't want to rail road. I mostly run sandbox style games with a narrative and I improv from there. At first, I found if I sort of laid out my map like an MMO. With quests revealed and marked on the map as the PCs became aware of them, I could entice the gamers who played 4th ed. Even though I mostly played 3.5 at the time. Or Traveller, Or VtM, or something that wasn't just DnD. It worked until the Critical Role kiddies came in. They just want to derail everything so they can force through Gay Marriage and Cutting Off Dick rights. And me trying to get them to do anything at all including actually play the game is "railroading" and "gatekeeping". Hell, just putting down a book that isn't DnD in my LGS like Traveller or Dark Heresy is "gatekeeping." My role as GM is essentially irrelevant.

This could have been fixed if Matt Mercer was just honest about his livestream being a reality television show. It's not DnD. That's all he has to say. But he won't because he knows he'll lose money. So he has to say cop out statements like "Play DnD how you like."

No fuck off, you don't play it how you like. You play DnD with it's rules. Maybe you house rule one or two things here and there. But if you don't like DnD rules you play something else with rules you do like. Which people used to do. Games in general from ancient times to now, had rules. Those rules dictated how you played the game. And differentiated one game from another.

Imagine you're playing a game of Football. But all the players insist on playing with Hockey Sticks. And then they don't even push the ball around. They just mill about. Wack each other with sticks, do funny dances and quote livestreamers. If you point out that maybe it's time to play the game, you get called a gatekeeper.

"Matt Mercer said we could play Football however we liked. Everyone plays Football differently. Stop being so restrictive. Lots of people play football with hockey sticks. We just do whatever. That's the point of games. "

And because you're now in the minority, you can't play Football the proper way at all. You can't even play different games like Cricket, Rounders, or Rugby. Because those games "look too hard" and people have a fit if you even mention something other than their version of Football. So you just leave. That hobby you really like just can't be played at all. And it's filled with arseholes anyway. It's not the worst thing in the world. There's an increasingly shrinking list of other hobbies you like. But it still hurts that something you spent a lot of time on and made friends with has been so thoroughly perverted and destroyed.

No seriously, fuck Matt Mercer. People who constantly tell people how "nice" they are and constantly talk about the "nice" things they do for people are not nice. This should be obvious for the people on this board.

Fuck, I wrote a lot of shit. I'll stop now.

At risk of this becoming Grognard shop talk - but Wee Willy Wheaton isn'tdoing shit, and Fellatio Day is blame to Critical Role

I haven't really had your issues. For online, I prescreen anyone with delicate sensibilities so I generally have the exact opposite where the bigger problem is screening out edgelords. But for in-person, I also don't recruit around the LGS, I recruit my nerd friends and coworkers, which seems to reign in a lot of the shit.

Friends who have recruited around the LGS said the way to do it basically run a bunch of one shots/single dungeon campaigns as solid waste filters to see who's worth inviting over for Game of Thrones The Boys to vet them for running a real campaign. Don't like someone but don't want to cause drama? Tough it out with them for the 2-3 sessions until the dungeon is done, and then don't invite them to the next one.

There's also a fair bit of not rising to their bait (and again, the short-run dungeons will probably help with that). They want to be a gay married trans gender orc? Awesome, it's never going to matter. You try to make it matter? Turns out not one NPC gives a solitary fuck, play the game and kill some goblins.

Other piece of advice is I explain to my party that actions have consequences, Play Chaotic-Neutral games, win Chaotic Neutral prizes. If you are an annoying prat, everyone will treat you like an annoying prat. Try to murder everyone in town because they hate you? Get murked by the town guard who are no strangers to adventurers going rogue, roll a new character or get the fuck out.

Granted all that is easier if you have a "example player" who isn't a complete fuckstick for the other players to see "Oh that's how I do it withouth being a complete emoqueen" and emulate, but sounds like you lack that, and I honestly don't know what to tell you to do there.


I will also go ahead and out my heresy: I like 4th Ed. Or at least I like what they tried to do to limit rules lawyering and stream lining everything. But fucking WotC had to go and kill any possibility of a 4e SRD by burying it behind copyright so you can't just give people a web site and have them roll up a character.
 
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Starscreams Cape

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At risk of this becoming Grognard shop talk - but Wee Willy Wheaton isn'tdoing shit, and Fellatio Day is blame to Critical Role

I haven't really had your issues. For online, I prescreen anyone with delicate sensibilities so I generally have the exact opposite where the bigger problem is screening out edgelords. But for in-person, I also don't recruit around the LGS, I recruit my nerd friends and coworkers, which seems to reign in a lot of the shit.

Friends who have recruited around the LGS said the way to do it basically run a bunch of one shots/single dungeon campaigns as solid waste filters to see who's worth inviting over for Game of Thrones The Boys to vet them for running a real campaign. Don't like someone but don't want to cause drama? Tough it out with them for the 2-3 sessions until the dungeon is done, and then don't invite them to the next one.

There's also a fair bit of not rising to their bait (and again, the short-run dungeons will probably help with that). They want to be a gay married trans gender orc? Awesome, it's never going to matter. You try to make it matter? Turns out not one NPC gives a solitary fuck, play the game and kill some goblins.

Other piece of advice is I explain to my party that actions have consequences, Play Chaotic-Neutral games, play Chaotic Neutral prizes. If you are an annoying prat, everyone will treat you like an annoying prat. Try to murder everyone in town because they hate you? Get murked by the town guard who are no strangers to adventurers going rogue, roll a new character or get the fuck out.

Granted all that is easier if you have a "example player" who isn't a complete fuckstick for the other players to see "Oh that's how I do it withouth being a complete emoqueen" and emulate, but sounds like you lack that, and I honestly don't know what to tell you to do there.


I will also go ahead and out my heresy: I like 4th Ed. Or at least I like what they tried to do to limit rules lawyering and stream lining everything. But fucking WotC had to go and kill any possibility of a 4e SRD by burying it behind copyright so you can't just give people a web site and have them roll up a character.
My group really liked 4e. If you like combat and a choice of things to do in combat aside from "I swing, I hit/miss", 4e was fantastic. As we've learned over the past few years, average gamer intelligence is highly overrated. I think a few of them decided that 4e was bad and most of rest just didn't want to be perceived as not being trendy so they followed along. Minions were awesome. The MM giving several different versions of the same monster (low, mid, high) really was great too. The Warlord kicked ass.
 

Jigglyjogglers

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I think a few of them decided that 4e was bad and most of rest just didn't want to be perceived as not being trendy so they followed along.

4e was timed poorly and its tie-ins were executed badly, those were its major sins. It probably also could have benefited from being released as some other iteration rather than the main D&D. 4e came out at a time where the stuffy dudes with grey neckbeards still largely had a stranglehold on the hobby, and the fact that it used MMO terminology and to a certain extent mechanics absolutely fucking infuriated them because it was obviously trying to be approachable to THOSE GOSHDARN YOUTHS! They were effectively able to poison the well against it, which along with the fact that the online tools it had clearly been made intending them to be used with it just never materialized, meant it never really had a chance.

Ironically, had what we know as 5e followed 3.5, and what we know as 4e came out after that, it probably would have flourished. It's exactly the sort of streamlined, approachable system to draw in more casuals, and I'm not even saying that in a bad way. The sort of online tools it was designed to work in tandem with are now common as dirt. And I'm sure the greybeards would still hate it but they're still playing 2e so who the fuck cares.
 

Ghostse

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My group really liked 4e. If you like combat and a choice of things to do in combat aside from "I swing, I hit/miss", 4e was fantastic. As we've learned over the past few years, average gamer intelligence is highly overrated. I think a few of them decided that 4e was bad and most of rest just didn't want to be perceived as not being trendy so they followed along. Minions were awesome. The MM giving several different versions of the same monster (low, mid, high) really was great too. The Warlord kicked ass.

Minions are great, "Bloodied" are great, and I really like how they made you have to really work to build a failure character and reduce the importance of Min-max. Also taking prep-spells out of combat (and making them cost player gold to reduce abuse) was amazing. And given that powers are just attacks, they give players and the GM incredible flexibility in description, and makes it easier to "reflavor" attacks to just do different a different type of damage.

Honestly I think it was just such a turn away from 3.5, I can see where the rage comes from. There is also a lot of "Shut up, it works that way because the rules say that's how it works" - which makes some of the grognarder angry in a way I that can respect. I can also see people angry they have to actually fight instead of just "Fly + Heat Item + Magic Missile".

I still say the lack SRD is what really killed 4e - being angry about being required to buy or borrow a $50 book to play something that's a marked departure from what you were used to I can understand. And that keeps people from getting to play it, so a lot of people only know 4e by reputation.

I am introducing a new group to 4e because fuck 5e and I don't feel like trying to build PF/3.5 encounters around munchkins (holy shit, 4e modules are so wonderfully laid out for a DM, nice color-coordinated monster and trap blocks, with everything broken down) and the worst problems with the system for the group seem to be "Wait that's not how it works in 5e/PF!" and general complaints that munchkinning is gimped (as is attempts to do wacky shit in battle) and grapple is not really a thing. Which I'm sort of of the opinion "fuck you" on those.

(There's also a fair bit of "That's not how [GM Who moved away] would handle that." (Tough shit, he's just a zoom away) and "What the fuck do you mean the pantheon actually matters?" (Tough shit, get down with the gods or get smote) but that's not system related.)
 

Draventren

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You know, I feel that. I was acquainted with some of the drama kids at my high school. Some of them seemed like genuinely nice, well meaning people...but all of them were obnoxious, self-important, self-absorbed, and thought they were the star of the show (and I was in the emo clique, they were beyond the pale even by our standards). One dude we kind of had a trial run of hanging out with us. Dude started randomly and without warning belting out a show tune when we were standing in line for the midnight showing of X-Men 3. We pretty much excommunicated him permanently, that shit was embarrassing.

I tried to nail one of the drama chicks while I was in school, and I swear to god this guy must have been related. Took her on one date, not only did I not get a word in edgewise while she rambled on about how much work she was putting in for the shitty school play she was manager for, or something, but would regularly feel the need to act out sections/songs from the show.

Don't need to say there wasn't a second date.
 

Doctor Placebo

Somebody asked for brains?
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The very definition of "The game was rigged from the start". I believe in overcomming obstacles, but that a kid of his becomes anything other than a soy-infused clone of him is beyond the human spirit.
If you want a smile for the day, imagine this quote in Patrick Stewart's Picard speech voice. It has the same linguistic flow.
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Jigglyjogglers

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Thankfully Wee Willy has, to my knowledge, never actually reproduced, and his stepkids were all already old enough to have formed their personalities by the time he came into their life. I've little doubt his wife has made it clear that she has no interest in going through the pain of childbirth for him as she was willing to do it for her ex (or their bull).

Wheaton's genetic legacy will die with him. Perhaps in his last gasping breaths that small act of "vengeance" against the parents he hates so much will offer him some peace.
 

RX-78NT-1 Alex Gundam

The Autist who unironically studied Klingon
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Imagine being his child.
He doesn't have any kids. He helped raise his wife's son.

Back in 2012 there was a massive cast reunion of everyone from TNG. Including Wil. It's mostly fun but Wil upstages everyone else multiple times. Then there are jokes like this from Levar Burton. Really funny. Pay no attention to anything beyond that. Nothing to see there at all.
 

Papadopoulos

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Thankfully Wee Willy has, to my knowledge, never actually reproduced, and his stepkids were all already old enough to have formed their personalities by the time he came into their life. I've little doubt his wife has made it clear that she has no interest in going through the pain of childbirth for him as she was willing to do it for her ex (or their bull).

Wheaton's genetic legacy will die with him. Perhaps in his last gasping breaths that small act of "vengeance" against the parents he hates so much will offer him some peace.
I bet at his funeral the attendants might all chant "shut up Wesley" in unison.
 

Doctor Placebo

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https://boundingintocomics.com/2020...t-like-kurtzman-trek-to-go-do-something-else/

https://archive.md/5smco

Don't know if this was posted here before but holy crap Wil, are you sure about that?
I think it was already posted somewhere on the site. If not here, the Star Trek thread. But yeah, hate watchers make up anywhere from half to all of Kurtz Trek watchers, so if anyone actually listened to Wheaton, this would be the worst thing he could do to the production. Lucky for Curseman, no one listens to Wheaton.
 

IAmNotAlpharius

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I tried to nail one of the drama chicks while I was in school, and I swear to god this guy must have been related. Took her on one date, not only did I not get a word in edgewise while she rambled on about how much work she was putting in for the shitty school play she was manager for, or something, but would regularly feel the need to act out sections/songs from the show.

Don't need to say there wasn't a second date.

I felt like they were more likely to crossover with Tumblr or just any obnoxious site too.
 

moocow

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Wallace

Cram it in me, baby!
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Okay, so at the cost of revealing my power level, I am a former actor IRL. Not AmDram bollocks either. Classically trained with a specialisation in Shakespeare and other contemporary theatre. With a little improv and musical theatre thrown in. I know drama kids. Part of the reason I left acting was despite the fact I love acting, I love entertaining on stage and having an audience's attention, I could not fucking stand drama kids. They are insufferable. They go on about their favourite musical. Which always happens to be the popular box office hit for the season. But also Rent. They must emulate the characters from Rent. Hence why many actors you will find are despicable degenerates. They're emulating Rent. I wanted to act, to immerse myself in a character and entertain people. Be true to the role and do as good a job as my talent allows. Drama kids want everything to revolve around them. Shakespeare is boring and not to be taken seriously, they want to imitate that one scene from that mainstream slop they like. They want to go straight to TV and ignore theatre completely unless they get that role they like in that musical they like this season. And above all, never tell them to improvise from scratch. They can't do it. They all freeze up. They cannot do anything creative. Everything is derivative of something else. And improv is "not what I signed up for". This isn't from Secondary school drama class by the way. This is the mentality of students from top professional drama schools and actors in the industry right now.

What's the relevance here? A lot of the Critical Role zoomers are drama kids. In fact I'd say all of them are. Even if they only do it as a hobby. They saw Critical Role and thought it was a great stage for their self indulgent bullshit. They don't understand that it's a game. Because it is presented to them as theatre. And they are surprised when autists like me expect them to play a game. Because everyone else runs it like dumb community theatre because there are no neck-beards left in the hobby. I am the anomaly to them. Because I expect them to respect the rules. I expect them to improvise a new character from scratch and not a clone of someone from Critical Role. I have expectations and that is all wrong in their eyes. Because I get in the way of their community theatre bullshit. I want to be a nice GM. I don't want to rail road. I mostly run sandbox style games with a narrative and I improv from there. At first, I found if I sort of laid out my map like an MMO. With quests revealed and marked on the map as the PCs became aware of them, I could entice the gamers who played 4th ed. Even though I mostly played 3.5 at the time. Or Traveller, Or VtM, or something that wasn't just DnD. It worked until the Critical Role kiddies came in. They just want to derail everything so they can force through Gay Marriage and Cutting Off Dick rights. And me trying to get them to do anything at all including actually play the game is "railroading" and "gatekeeping". Hell, just putting down a book that isn't DnD in my LGS like Traveller or Dark Heresy is "gatekeeping." My role as GM is essentially irrelevant.

This could have been fixed if Matt Mercer was just honest about his livestream being a reality television show. It's not DnD. That's all he has to say. But he won't because he knows he'll lose money. So he has to say cop out statements like "Play DnD how you like."

No fuck off, you don't play it how you like. You play DnD with it's rules. Maybe you house rule one or two things here and there. But if you don't like DnD rules you play something else with rules you do like. Which people used to do. Games in general from ancient times to now, had rules. Those rules dictated how you played the game. And differentiated one game from another.

Imagine you're playing a game of Football. But all the players insist on playing with Hockey Sticks. And then they don't even push the ball around. They just mill about. Wack each other with sticks, do funny dances and quote livestreamers. If you point out that maybe it's time to play the game, you get called a gatekeeper.

"Matt Mercer said we could play Football however we liked. Everyone plays Football differently. Stop being so restrictive. Lots of people play football with hockey sticks. We just do whatever. That's the point of games. "

And because you're now in the minority, you can't play Football the proper way at all. You can't even play different games like Cricket, Rounders, or Rugby. Because those games "look too hard" and people have a fit if you even mention something other than their version of Football. So you just leave. That hobby you really like just can't be played at all. And it's filled with arseholes anyway. It's not the worst thing in the world. There's an increasingly shrinking list of other hobbies you like. But it still hurts that something you spent a lot of time on and made friends with has been so thoroughly perverted and destroyed.

No seriously, fuck Matt Mercer. People who constantly tell people how "nice" they are and constantly talk about the "nice" things they do for people are not nice. This should be obvious for the people on this board.

Fuck, I wrote a lot of shit. I'll stop now.

One of the core rules of improv is that the way to make yourself look good is by making the other people look good. A lot of zoomer CR kids don't get this.
 

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