Will the 2020s be better?

Will the 2020s be a better decade than the 2010s?


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Syaoran Li

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Why the sheer obsession with the 2000s? It's time to move on.

The 2000's was a lot better than the 2010's or 2020

But on a more serious note, a lot of cultural ideas from the 2000's might come back in the 2020's because of the nostalgia cycles running roughly on a 20-25 year loop and it spills over into the wider culture.

Like in the 70's, there was the big 50's nostalgia wave that brought us stuff like Happy Days and Grease plus a lot of fashions and music from the 50's came back into the mainstream for a while.

The 90's gave us a burst of nostalgia for the 70's, with stuff like Boogie Nights, That 70's Show, and the return of Scooby-Doo and Star Wars as franchises but also in more sincere ways like lava lamps and tie-dye being popular among teens and twenty-somethings along with rave culture being intended as a then-modern revival of the disco culture plus the fact that grunge, nu-metal, goths, skater boys, and mall goths all tried to genuinely ape the late 70's punk scene to various degrees.

The 2000's and 2010's have mainly been fixated on 1980's nostalgia and some early 90's stuff as well. One of the biggest signs is the constant remakes, reboots, and unwarranted sequels to big name IP's from the 80's (Ghostbusters, She-Ra, MLP, Voltron) and shows that attempt to be a pastiche of 1980's pop culture.

Stranger Things, Young Sheldon, The Carrie Diaries, and Hot Tub Time Machine are for 80's nostalgia in the 2010's what Grease and Happy Days were for 50's nostalgia in the 70's.

Odds are that we'll probably see a similar thing with the late 90's and the early-mid 2000's in the 2020's as that wave of nostalgia kicks in and it'll probably spill over into the wider current pop culture of the 2020's, especially if we see a wider genuine backlash against woke culture that's more apolitical in nature.
 

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The 2000's was a lot better than the 2010's or 2020

But on a more serious note, a lot of cultural ideas from the 2000's might come back in the 2020's because of the nostalgia cycles running roughly on a 20-25 year loop and it spills over into the wider culture.

Like in the 70's, there was the big 50's nostalgia wave that brought us stuff like Happy Days and Grease plus a lot of fashions and music from the 50's came back into the mainstream for a while.

The 90's gave us a burst of nostalgia for the 70's, with stuff like Boogie Nights, That 70's Show, and the return of Scooby-Doo and Star Wars as franchises but also in more sincere ways like lava lamps and tie-dye being popular among teens and twenty-somethings along with rave culture being intended as a then-modern revival of the disco culture plus the fact that grunge, nu-metal, goths, skater boys, and mall goths all tried to genuinely ape the late 70's punk scene to various degrees.

The 2000's and 2010's have mainly been fixated on 1980's nostalgia and some early 90's stuff as well. One of the biggest signs is the constant remakes, reboots, and unwarranted sequels to big name IP's from the 80's (Ghostbusters, She-Ra, MLP, Voltron) and shows that attempt to be a pastiche of 1980's pop culture.

Stranger Things, Young Sheldon, The Carrie Diaries, and Hot Tub Time Machine are for 80's nostalgia in the 2010's what Grease and Happy Days were for 50's nostalgia in the 70's.

Odds are that we'll probably see a similar thing with the late 90's and the early-mid 2000's in the 2020's as that wave of nostalgia kicks in and it'll probably spill over into the wider current pop culture of the 2020's, especially if we see a wider genuine backlash against woke culture that's more apolitical in nature.
Woke Culture is dead/dying literally as we speak, if that old bastard Biden wins the first thing that'll happen is that it'll be thrown under the bus, its purpose was served. They don't need it anymore. Now, if Trump wins I'm not sure what's gonna happen but methinks that it'll just fizzle out and die a pathetic death. Now I dunno if we're gonna get a 00s revival but I would be very interested in new stuff coming forward.
 

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Woke Culture is dead/dying literally as we speak, if that old bastard Biden wins the first thing that'll happen is that it'll be thrown under the bus, its purpose was served. They don't need it anymore. Now, if Trump wins I'm not sure what's gonna happen but methinks that it'll just fizzle out and die a pathetic death. Now I dunno if we're gonna get a 00s revival but I would be very interested in new stuff coming forward.
I really hope you're right. Wokeism is the most damaging cultural element this country has seen in over a century. I would rather see actual, literal communism take root than this corporate racism that's so popular among our establishment betters.
 

Maurice Caine

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I really hope you're right. Wokeism is the most damaging cultural element this country has seen in over a century. I would rather see actual, literal communism take root than this corporate racism that's so popular among our establishment betters.
It's happening as we speak, man. National Guard was just deployed in Portland.
 

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Woke Culture is dead/dying literally as we speak, if that old bastard Biden wins the first thing that'll happen is that it'll be thrown under the bus, its purpose was served. They don't need it anymore. Now, if Trump wins I'm not sure what's gonna happen but methinks that it'll just fizzle out and die a pathetic death. Now I dunno if we're gonna get a 00s revival but I would be very interested in new stuff coming forward.
After the woke crowd brags about Trump's "defeat," they'll have their sights on Biden.

They even admitted that even under Biden, they will STILL cause trouble.

Only a matter of time before they push their luck and the DNC quietly abandons them. Although, it will be a while longer.

The media will push this "right wing violence" shtick as long as they can.
 

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Actually, this is likely the most logical scenario. You kinda covered all bases.

The Woke left, or Millenial will probably fit the last two categories.
Bernie got tons of support in 2016 from a more moderate Dem base, and Tulsi and Yang got the same audience of 2000 Dem, modern Republican, basically moderate audience. There were quite a bit of anti-SJW Bernie supporters like Shoe, that simply wanted a big change, screw the DNC candidate.

They will likely end up battling it out with the new Floyd rioter Socialists that are way more extreme than them and most likely did not even like Bernie till they got stuck with Joe. Remember, there were many articles and Twitter posts calling Bernie a sexist for going against Hill Dog, and many hated Tulsi because she ruined black queen Kamala Harris’s campaign. There is certainly a split in the progressive ideology where some just want the more moderate Bernie, Tulsi, Yang ideas without extreme communism or identity politics.


The Gen X Dems make up the top two primarily.
To sum them up, at worst they just go along with some things like chanting BLM. They very rarely ever seem to interested in actually making any change, hence why even though they will whine about us needing to go full green energy and how our health care should be like the rest of the world, they will never elect a Bernie even though he offers those things. They really just want feel good stuff. They like Obama because they never heard much about him in the news and he never did any huge changes after healthcare. He kept life simple and his semi-green world of a few windmills and solar panels made them feel like they made a difference. Even if they pay lip service, the second it really starts intruding on their lives is the second they drop it. They are done being revolutionaries and just want to sit back and indulge in tv.
Woke Culture is dead/dying literally as we speak, if that old bastard Biden wins the first thing that'll happen is that it'll be thrown under the bus, its purpose was served. They don't need it anymore. Now, if Trump wins I'm not sure what's gonna happen but methinks that it'll just fizzle out and die a pathetic death. Now I dunno if we're gonna get a 00s revival but I would be very interested in new stuff coming forward.
I have a feeling that the 2020 election was deciding what form of execution that would be inflicted on woke culture: A shotgun blast to the head at point blank ranger or a slow acting poison.
 

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The 2000's was a lot better than the 2010's or 2020

But on a more serious note, a lot of cultural ideas from the 2000's might come back in the 2020's because of the nostalgia cycles running roughly on a 20-25 year loop and it spills over into the wider culture.

Like in the 70's, there was the big 50's nostalgia wave that brought us stuff like Happy Days and Grease plus a lot of fashions and music from the 50's came back into the mainstream for a while.

The 90's gave us a burst of nostalgia for the 70's, with stuff like Boogie Nights, That 70's Show, and the return of Scooby-Doo and Star Wars as franchises but also in more sincere ways like lava lamps and tie-dye being popular among teens and twenty-somethings along with rave culture being intended as a then-modern revival of the disco culture plus the fact that grunge, nu-metal, goths, skater boys, and mall goths all tried to genuinely ape the late 70's punk scene to various degrees.

The 2000's and 2010's have mainly been fixated on 1980's nostalgia and some early 90's stuff as well. One of the biggest signs is the constant remakes, reboots, and unwarranted sequels to big name IP's from the 80's (Ghostbusters, She-Ra, MLP, Voltron) and shows that attempt to be a pastiche of 1980's pop culture.

Stranger Things, Young Sheldon, The Carrie Diaries, and Hot Tub Time Machine are for 80's nostalgia in the 2010's what Grease and Happy Days were for 50's nostalgia in the 70's.

Odds are that we'll probably see a similar thing with the late 90's and the early-mid 2000's in the 2020's as that wave of nostalgia kicks in and it'll probably spill over into the wider current pop culture of the 2020's, especially if we see a wider genuine backlash against woke culture that's more apolitical in nature.
2020 was a mess because of COVID-19, but the 2010s were better than the 2000s. The industrial revolution really started spreading its benefits to Asia, the EU started to disintegrate, and people finally began to wake up to the threat of mass immigration and Latin American socialism. We were heading into a new nationalist era, and I reckon we still are since nationalist parties are doing well in Europe and the Democrats will probably lose 2024 given how weak Biden/Harris will be. Already, anywhere east of Germany talking trash about Islam is mainstream.
 

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If there's one good thing to this election fraud and other scummy dishonesty from the "woke", it's that the insane worldview of "everything is offensive" lost all credibility to me. Whereas before Current Year, "wokethink" may have had some merit to it. I'm glad I didn't go in the "woke" rabbit hole - even before TDS.

Which is a relief. Imagine living as if normal and healthy things are somehow always "racist" or "sexist" or otherwise somehow "problematic". Being "woke" is like being in a really hardcore fundamentalist religion where just about everything is a sin.
 
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Honestly, I've spent the past three decades with my eyes glued to the "progress" of technology. If the way things have been going has anything to say about how things will be, then we can effectively throw politics, religion, and social issues out the fucking window.

Strictly technologically speaking, the 2020s will be the most horrifying decade that humanity has yet to see. Thanks to some friends in high places, I was privy to the NSA's PRISM project as far back as 2005. Here I am, fourteen years later, and EVERY LAST ONE of my most pessimistic, terrible, and downright malicious predictions about the tech landscape today, have come true. Every router, modem, PC, printer, fax machine, website, app, program, and cell phone are bugged, tapped, backdoored, or outright unlocked for the world to see. Social media has baited the narcissistic plebian masses into giving away every byte of information about their life, from the most intimate secrets, to a sepia-filtered photo of their breakfast. Deep Machine Learning software can and has created a pretty fucking accurate profile of everyone who has ever used the internet, regardless of how safe the user thinks he is behind a firewall, VPN, or proxy service. Running Linux Mint in a VM inside your Windows 7 VM inside your Arch Linux machine won't save you from the fact that the NSA already knows how many veins are in your foreskin by bouncing Wifi signals off of your cockhead. We're not even talking about EZ-mode shit like IoT devices being literal wiretaps that people pay to install in their own homes like the absolute dumbfucks that laypeople are. Just the bare minimum, taken-for-granted, household necessities are being used to spy on us, 24/7/365. All of the secondary and tertiary hardware, like your Wifi-enabled toaster and Amazon Alexa only exist to close the gaps in information that are being missed. Every byte of data collected from you is worth its virtual weight in non-virtual gold. It should come as no surprise to any of you that datamining is the largest industry on the planet, at this current moment in time.

We currently live in a technological nightmare realm that proves both Orwell AND Huxley right at the same time. I'm sure they'd be nothing short of absolutely fucking horrified by the way we live our lives today. Now, imagine this technology IMPROVING. There's no way to go but up for tech, and all of this datamining, reducing everyone on the crust of the earth to a serial number and a dossier, can only get worse for us, and better for Big Tech. We're a solid five years away from actually good, functional AI. AI that doesn't just curate content, but can understand and create CONTEXT. In the 2020s, it won't be a longshot to predict that propaganda will be not just manufactured, but tailor-made to play off of the individual's values, interests, fears, vulnerabilities, and hatred. We'll have our emotions toyed with by god damned machines, on a level that directly challenges our concepts of free will and individual agency. We will be gaslit by the Master Control Program from TRON, on an existential level. We can have entire world events memory-holed out of the collective consciousness by a machine with an agenda. We will bare witness to false flag events, faked assassinations, and wars that never happened, and few, if any, would be the wiser. An entirely fabricated history in the making. This isn't some Syfy Original Movie shit, it's already begun. Deepfakes, fake news, and the propaganda industry that has grown so large since WWII, has served as the perfect testbed for what you can add, transmogrify, or subtract from extant information. We live in the prototype for what's to come.

Outside of technology, though, I'm rolling for Civil War 2. It's either going to happen within the next ten years, or we'll be merely existing in the world we used to live in. Nothing is going to get better, politically. Every single day, we're "liberated" from our freedoms, in piecemeal fashion, bit by bit, and one day, there'll be nothing left to take from us. It's not like legislative fetishism will ever go out of style for our oligarch leaders. We will be reduced to curfews and permanent martial law before you even realize it's happening. Boiling the frog hasn't failed yet.

Suffice it to say, I haven't "looked forward" for the future since I was old enough to realize how bad things are. The only pill in the bottle is black. Metal Gear Solid 2 has a more accurate outlook on the state of the coming world than anything else I've ever seen. That's fucking terrifying to me.
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Like I said in the coronavirus megathread:

So to summarize this crazy scamdemic, I heard it has 3 main goals:

- "cancel real life" so people are more dependent on Big Tech and more controlled

- wreck local economies to make globalism more powerful

- reee orange man bad

I hope the 2020s see this "new normal" go back to the hell it came from, but then again it really could be the "new normal".
 

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At this point, I don't know.

COVID-19, BLM, and the election threw us all a massive curveball last year.

There's only a few longshot chances of the 2020's being better.

1. We make it to 2022 without HR 1 and court packing and that leads to actual viable backlashes in the 2022 midterms and possibly even 2024.

2. Some disaster throws a monkey wrench into the Great Reset. Can be an obvious one like a massive economic crash, one that is sort of possible but unlikely such as Three Gorges Dam bursting, or some event that nobody's able to foresee.

3. Enough people get burned by the Woke Left that they somehow fight back. This is probably the least likely to happen thanks to the MSM and Big Tech. Even if the majority hates the Woke Left, they're too afraid to stand up to BLM and Antifa or their corporate masters.

If the 2020's ends up being an inverse of the 2010's where it starts off terrible but then ends alright, I'd be a happy camper.
 

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"Deep Thoughts" is sarcastic on this website. I remember a thread asking if people missed the 2000s, and the responses were a load of people waxing nostalgic over being a child and not having to deal with those dang dirty adult responsibilities. There was little attention given to the actual sociopolitical culture of that time.

My personal hope for the 2020s is that the term "SJW" gets retired. People in this thread are describing the threat of a socialist dictatorship, which is hard to take as a serious threat if it's primarily associated with Anita Sarkeesian rather than Fidel Castro. Also if anyone thinks "SJWs" were the primary social issue of the 2010s rather than immigration, climate change, and wealth inequality they're as hopelessly out of touch with the general public as Carl Benjamin.
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Agreed.

Hopefully, just 2020 will be shitty and the 2020's will be okay, but I'm not holding my breath.



I've always believed that things would get massively worse before they can begin to get better and this was even before COVID-19.

If we're lucky, then the ongoing shitshow of a year that is 2020 is just the darkest hour before the dawn and this is merely the excruciating death throes of the 2010's.

If we're not lucky, then we're all turbo-fucked and @ToroidalBoat was right about the culture wars and the SJW zeitgeist of the 2010's being ended by cataclysmic catastrophe instead of mere social and cultural backlash.
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Despite everything I remain hopeful because decades don't really started to take shape until a few years into one.

Look at 2010-2012, which were basically just an extension of the late 2000s, the 2010s didn't really started to take shape as something unique until 2013.

The change of the 2010s turned out to be for the worse and it figures the decade wasn't going to let us off easy and die quickly, but the next few years are when we should really start to see things change and there's no reason not to be hopeful, as bad things are right now there's always a 50/50 chance things will either get better or worse.