Would Kurt Cobain be an SJW? -

[ArnoldPalmer]

Not if he knew what Courtney Love was gonna do to him.

It's a favorite move for modern "punks" to be dismissive and mocking of the idea that punk can even be right of center. Ironically they're a bunch of elitist twats with their heads up their asses.

Don't you find it amazing how OG punks rocked southern crosses and swastikas before those faggots came along?

 

[albert chan]

As a person who read Journals by Kurt Cobain, this famous song definitely describes what the social justice warrior was like for the 90’s.

If it were 2021 today, he’d have to compete with the likes of Eminem and tries his best to wrap around the fact that he went against everything he stood for in their respective genres of music.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Not if he knew what Courtney Love was gonna do to him.



Don't you find it amazing how OG punks rocked southern crosses and swastikas before those faggots came along?

IIRC, a lot of the OG punks in the original British punk scene of the 1970's rocked Nazi regalia to specifically spite their parents and grandparents who were either Greatest Generation and fought in WWII or were Silent Generation and grew up during the Blitz.

It was all about shock and "Fuck you, Dad!" and there wasn't really any political intent beyond that for the most part until around the 1980's.

I think Kurt Cobain was going to wind up either a woke champagne socialist or he'd end up being washed up and irrelevant had he not died in 1994.

Honestly, had Courtney Love not entered the picture, I doubt Kurt would've wound up going down the path he did.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

IIRC, a lot of the OG punks in the original British punk scene of the 1970's rocked Nazi regalia to specifically spite their parents and grandparents who were either Greatest Generation and fought in WWII or were Silent Generation and grew up during the Blitz.

I don't think it's any different from the modern left basing all of their choices around "FUCK YOU, DADDY!".

 

[Michael Jacks0n]

It was all about shock and "Fuck you, Dad!" and there wasn't really any political intent beyond that for the most part until around the 1980's.

On the same coin, it's the same reason why Che Guevara and communist symbolism became a fashion staple for rebellion in the Baby Boom era. It wasn't because those people literally all advocated for Marxism, but instead wanted to piss off their old school conservative parents and look rebellious. The Che Guevara shirts especially were a symbol of generic rebellion and revolution against "The Man".

 

[Autumnal Equinox]

I still see the Che Guevara dick sucking going on with leftists, and it pisses me off more than it really should. The guy was the Cuban version of Pol Pot, burned and banned books, hated blacks and gays and executed both regularly, wanted to set himself up as an iron booted dictator and disappear anyone questioning his benevolence. Leftists love him when any Cuban person would kick their ass for acting he was this awesome revolutionary who fought for the little guy. They’re such fucking hypocrites, how dare you say you’re against fascism, against racism, against homophobia, against censorship when this clown represented all of the above and still say how anti capitalist you are while buying anything with his face plastered on it. God!

MOTI ranting over, on topic:

Kurt would definitely have SJW tendencies if he were still alive. I don’t know if he’d be as extreme as the clowns are today, but he’d definitely be the early 2010s version of a fedora atheist, reality has a left wing bias kind of SJW. Sucks because as much of a tool he was, I still like Nirvana, but there’s no doubt he’d be on board with the majority of SJW bullshit

 

[Would]

Half of the Ramones, Iggy Pop voted for Reagan, Agnostic Front.. Skrewdriver if you wanna get into the explicitly racist end of things.

I think even the Sex Pistols qualify. Never forget how Sid wore Nazi imagery for shock value or how mad leftists and SJWs got at Johnny Rotten over Trump, and how his stance that "Punk is meant to offend. Fuck off with your opinions" was wrong-think. Punk is pozzed like most things counter-culture today.

the likes of Eminem and tries his best to wrap around the fact that he went against everything he stood for in their respective genres of music.

Which why I personally like to attribute the first four albums as Slim Shady and everything else as Eminem.
At this point Slim Shady LP, MMLP, The Eminem Show, & Encore feel like they were made by an entirely different person.
It's one thing to say artists evolve, it's another for them to become an entirely different person.


I don't think Kurt would've been an SJW. He had more balls than most of those soys and actually air-conditioned his head, which contemporary SJs are too scared to ever do.
I think he'd end up being a Bill Maher type or something like Dave Grohl's politics but more annoying.

 

[Mothra88]

Would Nirvana even be as a legendary if he didn't off himself? I mean they were at the top of the charts for sure, but so were a lot of people and we don't talk about them as much. I guess they would still be held up as starting grunge, but I don't know if people would even be talking about him now if he was alive. Kurt is kind of like Tupac in that regard imo. I don't remember people at school acting like Tupac was god until after he was dead, and the girls at school only fell in love with Kurt after he was dead and started spreading rumors that Courtney Love did him in. Tupac like Nirvana was good, but I don't think Tupac was the best rapper by any stretch.

 

[RichardMongler]

In a word, yes. Here's a fun article on the subject:

It’s been 20 years since Nirvana’s Nevermind album and its breakthrough single, “Smells Like Teen Spirit,” were released. The scrawny corpse of Kurt Cobain, the Man Who Refused to Be Marketed, is being repackaged and remarketed, with Nevermind now reissued in multiple commemorative editions of escalating cost and pointlessness.

As with everything Cobain-related, the predictable slop-puddle of fawning encomiums and immature ejaculations have squirted forth from the bespectacled, beta-male rock critics that Kurt, in his quest to forever change the music industry, neglected to slay. For two decades running, she-men who look like this have tossed the most absurdly hyperbolic verbal hosannas at the incurably self-pitying junkie as if he actually had redeeming personal qualities. Michael Calderone (pictured in the far left of that lineup), without a trace of irony, once wrote that “Kurt Cobain’s suicide was our generation’s Kennedy assassination.” Gil Kaufman (second from left) equated Cobain’s suicide with “the Challenger and Columbia Space Shuttle explosions, the riots following the Rodney King verdict, [and] the September 11, 2001 terror attacks….”

In language usually reserved for the likes of Jesus Christ and Gandhi, we are reassured of Cobain’s “significance,” his “importance,” his “idealism and truth and…honor,” and how Nevermind “spoke to a generation” and “changed the world.” Oh—and unlike Axl Rose, who until Cobain’s advent was the world’s biggest rock star, Kurt “didn’t bait blacks and gays.” (Axl Rose hated blacks so much, he only allowed half a black dude in his band.)

It’s not as if Cobain didn’t leave a huge mark—Nirvana has sold over 50 million albums, and in 2006 Cobain temporarily eclipsed Elvis Presley for the coveted crown of being the world’s highest-earning dead celebrity. What’s debatable is whether his effect on pop culture is worth celebrating.

Seemingly within hours of Nevermind’s release, all the poodle-haired, spandex-constricted 1980s glam bands were jobless. The hairspray and shampoo industries suffered tremendous losses, offset by the instantaneous resurrection of the flannel-shirt and thrift-store sectors. Whereas rock songs had focused on hot chicks with large breasts, lyrical themes shifted to depressed twits with sunken chests. Unkempt junkies yarled and warbled and yowled about heroin, depression, and how they were depressed they couldn’t find more heroin. Somehow, this all gave “new life” to rock music.

Cobain, with his endless tut-tutting and pooh-poohing of “racism, sexism, and homophobia,” was the John the Baptist of Emasculated White Pop Icons. Forevermore, it would be only testosterone-addled, tattoo-spackled, buffed-out, Glock-toting black hip-hop stars—or the occasional white guy from Detroit wearing cultural blackface—who were tasked with peddling racism, sexism, and homophobia through pop music.

What influenced this towheaded product of misty Aberdeen, WA, to become so influential? It appears that the most formative experience of Cobain’s youth was his parents’ divorce when he was nine. His broken family broke his spirit, allegedly causing the budding bard of bummed-out lyrics to scrawl on his bedroom wall:

I hate mom
I hate Dad
Dad hates Mom
Mom hates Dad
It simply makes you want to be so sad.

In 1993, Cobain told an interviewer, “I desperately wanted to have the classic, you know, typical family. Mother, father. I wanted that security, so I resented my parents for quite a few years because of that.”

Such situations typically present two options: You can spend your life trying to heal the wounds, or you can keep wounding yourself and pretend that it’s pretty.

Undersized and whiny, Cobain found himself a misfit during high school. He claimed his classmates repeatedly beat him up and called him a “faggot.” He said such experiences gave him a “real hatred for the average American macho male.” In retaliation, he’d spray-paint things such as HOMO SEX RULES and GOD IS GAY on vehicles and buildings in Aberdeen. Although he said he was biologically attracted to women, he would hang with gay friends and “pretend I was gay just to fuck with people.” After becoming a rock star, he would perform in dresses, kiss his bass player Krist Novoselic onstage, write lyrics that claimed “everyone is gay,” and utter inanities such as “I am not gay, although I wish I were, just to piss off homophobes.” In diaries that were later released in book form, he said that all homophobes should endure forced vasectomies.

Much of his political indoctrination occurred after high school when he moved to Olympia, WA, breeding ground of a virulent strain of testicle-smashing pop-culture feminism known as the “riot grrrl” movement. Olympia was where Cobain, according to a biographer, “had found his true artistic muse,” allowing him to augment his anti-heterosexual militance with the cold twin prongs of anti-white and anti-male militance. It apparently slipped Kurt’s mind that through it all, he remained a heterosexual white male.

Kurt entwined his hairy armpits with those of the riot grrrls in hating men. He would write, “never met a wise man…if so it’s a woman.” Ironically, he eventually married and bred with Courtney Love, a woman whose very existence justifies misogyny.

Excerpts from his personal journals reveal someone who had not only found a safe haven from Aberdeen’s purportedly racist inbred jocks and was now able to live and let live—he called for his former tormentors’ extinction. He joyously indulged in the sort of totalitarian misfit revenge fantasies that stain so much of leftist psychology:

Yeah, all Isms feed off one another, but at the top of the food chain is still the white, corporate, macho, strong ox male. Not redeemable as far as I’m concerned….I am in absolute and total support of…full scale violently organized, terrorist-fueled revolution….It would be nice to see the gluttons become so commonly hunted down that eventually they will either submit to the opposite of their ways or be scared shitless to ever leave their homes….Arm yourself, find a representative of Gluttony or oppression and blow the motherfuckers head off….And the hairy, sweaty, macho, sexist dickheads will soon drown in a pool of razorblades and semen, stemmed from the uprising of their children.

It didn’t matter that this animal-rights activist collected animal porn and killed a cat while a teenager. It didn’t matter he postured himself as a feminist even though he’d molested a retarded girl, or, according to lifelong friend Dylan Carlson, privately continued referring to women as “bitches.”

It’s what he symbolized that was important. Cobain became a hero to a generation of kids who’d also felt picked-on in high school but, even far into adulthood, never seemed able to get past the trauma. He was an alienated innocent who helped hordes of alienated people feel like they fit in while still being alienated, yet all together at the same time as puzzle pieces in some ill-conceived mass movement.

Nor, in an upside-down milieu that glorified destruction and deconstruction, did it matter to them that he was a junkie. He had a lot of pain to deal with, so it was OK if he kept running and running and running from it. According to his apologists, he spent his adult life “battling drug addiction,” which is a gentle way of saying he “did lots and lots of drugs.”

Who causes more demonstrable human suffering—the average “racist,” “sexist,” and “homophobe” that Kurt Cobain sought to exterminate, or your typical scab-covered, money-scamming junkie lowlife? There are exceptions—some people can handle their heroin while others can’t handle their racism—but when it comes to systemic damage, I’d say junkies do more harm to themselves and those around them.

When Kurt Cobain died, his blood contained what an investigator described as “three times a lethal dose” of heroin, even for a seasoned user. When he left this world, he left behind a nineteen-month-old daughter. He left her with a woman that everyone I know who’s known her—and they are legion—describes as a malignant tumor in human form. Permanently damaged by a broken home, Kurt’s self-involved emotional pain overrode any concerns that he’d leave his own daughter in a broken home. And he left his hordes of delusional fans, maladjusted kids and emotionally arrested adults whom he’d helped to feel not quite so alone, feeling alone again.

In the song “Stay Away” on Nevermind, Cobain sang that he’d “rather be dead than cool.”

He got his wish.

 

[albert chan]

Off topic, but you guys remember the time when people kept posting a fake quote from Kurt Cobain claiming he’d want to have Donald Trump as president?