Would the world be better if Germany won WWI?

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Post Dreyfus and all, I bet you are looking at something like Nazi France in an alternate timeline.

I mean, really, what happens with Russia, if WW2 never happens to Russia?
 

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Post Dreyfus and all, I bet you are looking at something like Nazi France in an alternate timeline.

I mean, really, what happens with Russia, if WW2 never happens to Russia?

Just guessing, but I'm quite sure that the communism in Russia would've collapsed to infighting between the party elites if they wouldn't have had to fight against common enemy. But it's just a hunch.
 

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The :autism: prussia-boo in me screams YES.
Realistically its a massive crapshoot, For example, I doubt there wouldnt be a second world war cause france would be butthurt over still not having alsace lorraine, and I can see a jingoistic france going for round two.
 

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Yes because that godless beached whale Merkel would never have been put in a position of power.
 

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Sort of, but that depends on how long the war goes on for.

If Germany wins WW1 fast enough then there would be less justification for harsher terms, perhaps leading to less lingering resentment. Conversely, a longer war might see worse reperations.

I think that Germany had a better chance of defeating France quickly than France Germany, and the shorter the war is the better for Europe and the world in general.

Trade didn't increase back to 1914 levels until the mid 60's for example, and even without millions dying and industry being fucked, the debts caused by the first world war basically lead to the Great Depression.

The thing is, WW1 as it happened occured at maybe the only time it could have as it did- Imperial Russia was becoming stronger at an alarming rate, a few more years and the balance of power pendulum (at least in the case of Britain) would tend less towards 'Contain Germany' and more towards 'Oh shit, contain Russia'.

So yeah, a quick IG victory is better for the world, everything else is fuck.
 

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When Germany lost WWI the treaty of Versailles tanked the German dollar and made it one of the hardest nations hit during the Depression. This made groups like Nazism and Communism popular in the country and the rest is history.

But what if they won the first world war? Would the Germans and Austria-Hungary (if it didnt break apart) pull a treaty of Versailles on the allies and wreck Frances economy or would there be other terms of peace?

I'm going to assume with Germany being the hegemonic power after winning, Germany wasnt hit as hard during the depression, and that Hitler and Nazism never took root. I also believe fascism would have taken root in Italy regardless (maybe even more so if they surrendered with the rest of the allies). Would the Holocaust happen?

There are just so many questions and alternate routes, but do you think that the world would be better or worse with a Kaiser victory?
define better
 

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We'd probably see Germany in following through with its Lebensraum in the east and a peaces with Britain and France after the blitz that would end in small exchanges of territory and reparations.

France would be the bigger loser, seeing Alsace Lorraine go once again back to Germany (a sore point of over 40 years by the time of WW1 already) as well as a general loss of prestige, its industry wrecked (most of its initial heavy factories were in the region invaded by Germany first) and paying money towards the Germans as well would be yet another humiliation for the Republic. Revolution would not be far behind as we see in Kaiserreich.

Indeed, a revived Napoleon coming from the ranks of the frontline could easily rise up. Either with a socialist tinged bent, or hyper nationalism a la Bonaparte. France and the resources she could still command would become rather dangerous again very very quickly.

If the Germans had won the WWI and brought the restrictions of Versailles treaty upon France, we would have just gotten Nazi France. Just think how evil that would have been.

French people didn't have the same desire for paternal dictators or the same economic power for such a regime for that to be a threat. France wasn't just bled white by ww1, it was in the midst of a population crisis that would continue on regardless of how the war went.

France didn't actually care about losing Alsace Lorraine. The people in Paris and the countryside didn't care and the Alsatians themselves wanted their own country or at least semi-autonomy in either of the countries.
 

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Even if Germany won for some reason in 1918, everything would have been fucked up what with the war destroying our cultural heritage and crippling the entire continent. France might have fallen fascist and allied with Spain and Italy, forming a nasty southern block, and the UK could have become a communist state, allied with the Soviet Union.

A victory in 1914 for either side would have made the conflict just a footnote in history, like the Franco-Prussian war of 1870-71. However, the ensuing Great War of 1960 would have killed everyone with unrestricted chemical (and possibly nuclear, had it been invented) warfare.
 

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I don't think the world would be in a better shape if the germans had won.
There were too many political players following the partially insane zeitgeist and crude theories.

Just a few points:
Racial hate was the norm and scientifically backed while superstition was mainstream.
Churchill was a fan of using gas against "lesser races", the UK invented concentration camps for the second boer war.
Even Gandhi was a racist. Lenin and Stalin were homicidal maniacs all around.
The nobility in europe was more inbred than anything and fascism and communism was on the rise.
 

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if only Hitler had discovered niggers
There were Black soldiers in the German army. Not many but some. They were mixed in with everyone else unlike the racist US army which segregated them into their own battalions.

Just guessing, but I'm quite sure that the communism in Russia would've collapsed to infighting between the party elites if they wouldn't have had to fight against common enemy. But it's just a hunch.
They'd have done what every other struggling elite does without a common enemy - create one.

no, because my family would be dead for not being preshus aryans
WW1, not WW2. There wouldn't have been a Hitler-type leader if Germany hadn't been subject to the Treaty of Verseille. (probably)
 

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What you should be asking is "would it be better if a degenerate amalgation of nations under an aging emperor where nobody is happy with anybody, aka Austro-Hungary had won the war".

And the answer is no, always no.