"Wrong side of history"
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Varg Did Nothing Wrong
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Why don't you open a history book or look at the changes happening in society in the past 30 years and find out
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Anyone of any political stripe who uses "wrong side of history" is an idiot. There's a million other political or social arguments that could be made to defend or attack an ideology; boiling it down to, "No you're the bad guy!" is so juvenile that you'd come off as more mature if you just picked your boogers and flicked it at them.
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Like many SJW ideas there’s a germ of a legit idea in there—nobody wants to be the white girls screaming in anger in front of Little Rock high school. But also like most SJW ideas, it’s pushed way too far and is applied to many situations where it’s not applicable
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I think the real issue here is with the Left's mentality and desire to re-write history so as to cast themselves as the heroes/"being on the right side" instead as either the villains or useless bystanders that they probably were at the time not that there is a pre-determined outcome. For example, take the democratic party from the time of Andrew Jackson up to the segregation. The Left/democrats would have you believe that it was they and not the Republican party that was responsible for ending slavery, supporting women's right to vote, bringing an end to de-segregation (excepting Truman's executive order to give credit where credit is due). Couple this with the one of the most despicable lies told and actually believed in American history which these people have recently invented where apparently the sides [magically] "switched" and I believe I can rest my case. The real problem here is that the Left is on the right side of history because they write and edit it.
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The whole "wrong side/right side of history" line of arguement is just a spin of the old "everybody thought darwin/einstein/newton was crazy until history revealed them to be geniuses!" bullshit thats gets trotted out by every gibberfuck on the planet from pseudo historians obsessed with atlantis to creationists obsessed with proving noah's ark was real
I feel Carl Sagan had a good response to this logic
For each person throughout history that was truly ahead of their time in some scientific/philosophical/practical/moral way, there have been countless thousands of others who have proclaimed "WE ARE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY!" and wound up being forgotten and cast aside or straight up reviled for centuries because of their hubris and the sins it gave them the nerve to commit. Just read fucking nazi and soviet and whatever propaganda and see how much they liked to toot the "WE ARE THE START OF THE GLORIOUS NEW HISTORY OF HUMANITY!" horn and just how that turned out for them and the stupid and evil shit they tried to impliment.
I feel Carl Sagan had a good response to this logic
For each person throughout history that was truly ahead of their time in some scientific/philosophical/practical/moral way, there have been countless thousands of others who have proclaimed "WE ARE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY!" and wound up being forgotten and cast aside or straight up reviled for centuries because of their hubris and the sins it gave them the nerve to commit. Just read fucking nazi and soviet and whatever propaganda and see how much they liked to toot the "WE ARE THE START OF THE GLORIOUS NEW HISTORY OF HUMANITY!" horn and just how that turned out for them and the stupid and evil shit they tried to impliment.
jcd
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It's the idea of invoking some higher power behind what you think is right to have a momentary feeling of control in a life filled by feelings of helplessness and powerlessness. It's no different than mudslimes screaming that their "god" (desert sand demon) will punish you for drinking a glass of wine. The correct reaction is to shrug. Don't argue with the mentally ill because their sickness makes them incapable of processing logic. Would you try to "rebut" a hobo yelling invectives at you in the middle of the street?
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It's Whig History with a new coat of paint.
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It's a dumb and pointless term because anyone could say they're on the "right side of history" regardless of personal beliefs. irl Hitler probably thought he was on the right side of history too.
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Especially when he was having sexy times
Wallace
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It's a type of Galileo gambit, maybe?
JULAY
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First thing that comes to mind is:
en.wikipedia.org
TL;DR version
Boy's penis is burned off during circumcision accident. His parents are told by leftist shrink to raise him as a girl (since gender is just a social construct with no inherent basis in biology... sound familiar?) Then this happened:
By the age of 13 years, Reimer was experiencing suicidal depression and he told his parents he would take his own life if they made him see Money again.[28] Finally, on March 14, 1980, Reimer's parents told him the truth about his gender reassignment,[29] following advice from Reimer's endocrinologist and psychiatrist. At 14, having been informed of his past by his father, Reimer decided to assume a male gender identity, calling himself David. By 1987, Reimer had undergone treatment to reverse the reassignment, including testosterone injections, a double mastectomy, and two phalloplasty operations.
Dude killed himself at 38 after suffering a lifetime of depression and other psychological issues cause by being raised as the wrong gender during his formative years.
David Reimer - Wikipedia
TL;DR version
Boy's penis is burned off during circumcision accident. His parents are told by leftist shrink to raise him as a girl (since gender is just a social construct with no inherent basis in biology... sound familiar?) Then this happened:
By the age of 13 years, Reimer was experiencing suicidal depression and he told his parents he would take his own life if they made him see Money again.[28] Finally, on March 14, 1980, Reimer's parents told him the truth about his gender reassignment,[29] following advice from Reimer's endocrinologist and psychiatrist. At 14, having been informed of his past by his father, Reimer decided to assume a male gender identity, calling himself David. By 1987, Reimer had undergone treatment to reverse the reassignment, including testosterone injections, a double mastectomy, and two phalloplasty operations.
Dude killed himself at 38 after suffering a lifetime of depression and other psychological issues cause by being raised as the wrong gender during his formative years.
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history drifts "leftward" because rules, customs, and institutions slowly erode over time as well as (for some time now) technology has increasingly reduced restrictions on societies. this just simply means that "left" is anti-tradition whereas "right" is pro-tradition. guess which wins out eventually?
two timestamps from a decent video, check out:
youtube.com/watch?v=p6LUjUbikkk&t=10m
and
youtube.com/watch?v=p6LUjUbikkk&t=35m40s
two timestamps from a decent video, check out:
youtube.com/watch?v=p6LUjUbikkk&t=10m
and
youtube.com/watch?v=p6LUjUbikkk&t=35m40s
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Frankly the only reason history seems to veer towards progressiveness is because a general look at history only reveals the changes in society and culture and whatever that were implimented, not the far more numerous shit that was suggested and attempted before being shot down because conservatives successfully opposed or changed said shit for being batshit crazy, stupid, or evil.
On paper the ideal role of the progressive has always been to suggest and attempt change when needed, i.e. "fix what is broken" while the ideal role of the conservative has always been to critique and oppose change when not needed, i.e. "if it aint broke dont fix it".
The two sides counterbalancing eachother has been the foundation stone of civilisation worldwide since pretty much forever in some form or another, from the democracies of today to the kings courts of the medieval era to the tribal confederacies of africa and america to the roman senate. Unrestrained and untempered change and reform and revolution is as damaging to society and human liberties as stagnant reinforcement of shitty traditions and conventions or regressing away from valuable changes made in the past.
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The Left often claims to be in the "right side of history" because there is a certain pattern for this claim:
A society is formed and goes well, but certain people are left behind: a group then fights to make changes so this group is guaranteed to have all the rights and duties a citizen should have.
There have been cases where the left did this and it worked, so they've claimed "they're the good guys of history, bringing change and revolution". Alas, they ignore that people who aren't leftists have also made different changes as well.
The problem with this group is that they aren't always driven by morals. For example, the conquest of t he Americas: when the Spaniards arrived to America, the whole world changed. There were bad consequences, but also very good consequences such as cultural diversity (the good one), more trade, discoveries, technology, and so on. They didn't do it because "it was the right thing to do!" but because "fuck it, let's do it!".
The Left, on the contrary, is driven by "it's the right thing to do" and they go for the sure safe thing, like Civil Rights. Giving black people full rights is a good thing, not saying it's not, but they aren't actually risking much historically speaking. The goal was to give a group of people fully acknowledged rights, and the sacrifices made were worth it. But, with the previous example, the conquest of America, the final goal wasn't as "noble" so the bad consequences of it are seen as an "well, I told you so!". That's why they still try to get away with the "we're in the right side of history" nonsese despite the left has been responsible for very high death tolls such as Communism or the French Revolution: they were only trying to improve the world!!!
A society is formed and goes well, but certain people are left behind: a group then fights to make changes so this group is guaranteed to have all the rights and duties a citizen should have.
There have been cases where the left did this and it worked, so they've claimed "they're the good guys of history, bringing change and revolution". Alas, they ignore that people who aren't leftists have also made different changes as well.
The problem with this group is that they aren't always driven by morals. For example, the conquest of t he Americas: when the Spaniards arrived to America, the whole world changed. There were bad consequences, but also very good consequences such as cultural diversity (the good one), more trade, discoveries, technology, and so on. They didn't do it because "it was the right thing to do!" but because "fuck it, let's do it!".
The Left, on the contrary, is driven by "it's the right thing to do" and they go for the sure safe thing, like Civil Rights. Giving black people full rights is a good thing, not saying it's not, but they aren't actually risking much historically speaking. The goal was to give a group of people fully acknowledged rights, and the sacrifices made were worth it. But, with the previous example, the conquest of America, the final goal wasn't as "noble" so the bad consequences of it are seen as an "well, I told you so!". That's why they still try to get away with the "we're in the right side of history" nonsese despite the left has been responsible for very high death tolls such as Communism or the French Revolution: they were only trying to improve the world!!!